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I'm honestly surprised Petrice isn't spared more often, or at least a smidgeon more popular. On a meta-level, if not a personal level.
I agree a lot with what you said. I don't understand either. She makes sense for me, even on a mage character.
To each their own.
She is rather ugly though. And not very personable. Maybe that's why people kill her. 
That or they are Qunari supporters. That makes sense at least.
here is my opinion about all of this, considering she is dead in all of my playthoughs, it wouldn't really bother me in the slightest, However, I understand why people would say no to it. I don't see her being really all that important. At most a cult leader, or an idiot voice in the chantry. and considering she is most hateful of the Qunari, while it would be intresting for the Qunari Inquistior to interact with her, (much much fun if you can grind her under your boot) But otherwise meh...
I love that she is such a giant b****! I hope we can see her in DAII if she survived, only to die a more horrible death. 
Guest_StreetMagic_*
here is my opinion about all of this, considering she is dead in all of my playthoughs, it wouldn't really bother me in the slightest, However, I understand why people would say no to it. I don't see her being really all that important. At most a cult leader, or an idiot voice in the chantry. and considering she is most hateful of the Qunari, while it would be intresting for the Qunari Inquistior to interact with her, (much much fun if you can grind her under your boot) But otherwise meh...
The inquisitor isn't a Qunari. They are technically Kossith and Vashoth. Petrice otoh made no claims to hating the race itself. She wouldn't have even used "Ketojan" if she was racist. She hates their religion. Whether that's better or not is another issue, but I just need to point it out.
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I agree a lot with what you said. I don't understand either. She makes sense for me, even on a mage character.
To each their own.
She is rather ugly though. And not very personable. Maybe that's why people kill her.
She's a fanatic, a liar and a schemer who either killed Saemus or set him up to be killed which is reason enough to allow her to die in my book.
Wait, why don't we resurrect Uldred and have a big tea party with crumpets and frosted cakes and praise Mother Petrice and Teyrn Loghain because they were such martyrs to 'teh people' and stuff
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She's a fanatic, a liar and a schemer who either killed Saemus or set him up to be killed which is reason enough to allow her to die in my book.
Poor Saemus. Slumming with the Qunari. Shall I pity him? It's like watching someone embrace Sharia law.
Saarebas/Ketojan describes Petrice perfectly. She has Certainty, but not of the Qun. So do I.
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Poor Saemus. Slumming with the Qunari. Shall I pity him? It's like watching someone embrace Sharia law.
Saarebas/Ketojan describes Petrice perfectly. She has Certainty, but not of the Qun. So do I.
"Zomg he has different beliefs than me letz kill him gaiz!". Typical.
She's a fanatic, a liar and a schemer who either killed Saemus or set him up to be killed which is reason enough to allow her to die in my book.
Wait, why don't we resurrect Uldred and have a big tea party with crumpets and frosted cakes and praise Mother Petrice and Teyrn Loghain because they were such martyrs to 'teh people' and stuff
If we drop the Seamus part, that fanatic/liar/killer list could be applied to all the player characters, a number of the companions including, but not limited to, Leliana and Morrigan and Zevran and Anders and even Manly Chestbeard Dwarf, as well as a number of other major characters. Most of whom have a significant fan base.
And personnally, I don't think Seamus was that much of a sympathetic victim. I felt more pity for his father than for him.
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"Zomg he has different beliefs than me letz kill him gaiz!". Typical.
If it was just about beliefs, it'd be fine and dandy. The Qunari are just as interested in conversion and conquest. Do you think when I reference Sharia law, I'm merely talking about "beliefs". I'm talking about it's habit of controlling others.
"Zomg he has different beliefs than me letz kill him gaiz!". Typical.
Oh, I wouldn't go that far. I put him more in the class of armchair socialist myself. Well meaning, but not really cognate about how things they take for granted would be stripped from them by their pet cause. Like, say, family and the ability to dissent.
It doesn't mean he deserved to die, or was asking for it, or any sort of placing guilt on him.
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On a sidenote, the main thing I'm puzzled about is how such a progressive company like Bioware, with a lead writer who is homosexual, lets things like Qunari get painted in a good light. Surely, they can not be in support for such type of control and designation of societal "roles". They must've dealt with the terror of it in real life. And yet, they've created fans who would love to champion this crap. Puzzling. Very puzzling. I'm curious what their "endgame" is for the Qun.
On a sidenote, the main thing I'm puzzled about is how such a progressive company like Bioware, with a lead writer who is homosexual, lets things like Qunari get painted in a good light. Surely, they can be in support for such type of control. They must've dealt with the terror of it in real life. And yet, they've created fans who would love to champion this crap. Puzzling. Very puzzling.
I'd suggest it's because it is because that they aren't painted in a good light. They just aren't painted in a completely bad light. There are still more than enough grounds to dislike and oppose the Qunari while still acknowledging that they aren't total monsters. They can be what Talis sees them as, as a society that takes care of everyone and a philosophy for a good life, and also be what others condemn them as: expansionist and intolerant.
If anything, Act 2 didn't try to present the Qunari as good: just that the people opposing them were bad radicals. The Qunari, the Chantry, and the City Elite all disliked and distrusted eachother, but were trying for a peaceful coexistence. You didn't have to like any of them- it was just that the Qunari were being targeted unjustly by radicals.
I wouldn't say Qunari society has ever been presented as some kind of ideal- just that some in Thedas prefer it to the crapsack world they live in.
Having her return could be a good thing towards making importing a save worth it.
I thought she was a pretty cool character from what I saw of her in DAII, she was fanatical yet also interestingly pragmatic.
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If we drop the Seamus part, that fanatic/liar/killer list could be applied to all the player characters, a number of the companions including, but not limited to, Leliana and Morrigan and Zevran and Anders and even Manly Chestbeard Dwarf, as well as a number of other major characters. Most of whom have a significant fan base.
And personnally, I don't think Seamus was that much of a sympathetic victim. I felt more pity for his father than for him.
Mother Petrice wasn't interesting to me, she was a big bad wannabe who's master plan ultimately bit her in the ass. She was sloppy and careless with her planning and outright stupid. Saemus while I don't share his fascination with the Qunari (nor Petrice's Chantry zealotry), the idea that killing or letting this kid get killed by a representative of the "holy sacred church" is apathetic at best (and what did Kreia say? "Apathy equals death"). Personally Saemus was a twit, he was in far over his head with the politics of the Qun vs the Chantry and if push came to shove and he wasn't murdered by the time the skirmish took place he'd either take up arms and fight for his Qun and die like any ordinary Qunari enemy unit or would flee in cowardice. I strongly dislike Petrice, she was a guttersnipe, snake in the grass, and a troll from the getgo and was again too much of a coward to strike at the Qunari themselves but instead chose to be a murderer, a coward and a traitor by killing her leader's son. Glamorize and sympathize with Petrice all you want, she sucks as a villain and as a character.
On a sidenote, the main thing I'm puzzled about is how such a progressive company like Bioware, with a lead writer who is homosexual, lets things like Qunari get painted in a good light. Surely, they can not be in support for such type of control and designation of societal "roles". They must've dealt with the terror of it in real life. And yet, they've created fans who would love to champion this crap. Puzzling. Very puzzling. I'm curious what their "endgame" is for the Qun.
The concept of shades of gray seems to be beyond your understanding.
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The concept of shades of gray seems to be beyond your understanding.
What shades of grey are these? Enlighten me, if you can.
Or is "enlightenment" not your role in the Qun?
The Qunari terrify me. There's no grey to me here. Control is control. I'm not even gay, but they make me realize just what it might be like... just a little... to be one. That's how much I loathe them.
That and I'm already libertarian to begin with. I don't even like people coming into my room. Let alone telling me what my role to society is. lol
On a sidenote, the main thing I'm puzzled about is how such a progressive company like Bioware, with a lead writer who is homosexual, lets things like Qunari get painted in a good light. Surely, they can not be in support for such type of control and designation of societal "roles". They must've dealt with the terror of it in real life. And yet, they've created fans who would love to champion this crap. Puzzling. Very puzzling. I'm curious what their "endgame" is for the Qun.
I'm curious as to how progressivity (in the context you use the term progessive) and homosexuality have anything to do with fantasy writing in games 
.. Shark nailed it though.
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I'm curious as to how progressivity (in the context you use the term progessive) and homosexuality have anything to do with fantasy writing in games
Because the principles behind these story ideas point to Control and Freedom. Whether it's the Qun, or Mages vs Templars... there are underlying principles being debated here that go on in the real world all the time.
It can definitely be enjoyed on a superficial level, but I think there's more to it.
Mother Petrice wasn't interesting to me, she was a big bad wannabe who's master plan ultimately bit her in the ass. She was sloppy and careless with her planning and outright stupid. Saemus while I don't share his fascination with the Qunari (nor Petrice's Chantry zealotry), the idea that killing or letting this kid get killed by a representative of the "holy sacred church" is apathetic at best (and what did Kreia say? "Apathy equals death"). Personally Saemus was a twit, he was in far over his head with the politics of the Qun vs the Chantry and if push came to shove and he wasn't murdered by the time the skirmish took place he'd either take up arms and fight for his Qun and die like any ordinary Qunari enemy unit or would flee in cowardice. I strongly dislike Petrice, she was a guttersnipe, snake in the grass, and a troll from the getgo and was again too much of a coward to strike at the Qunari themselves but instead chose to be a murderer, a coward and a traitor by killing her leader's son. Glamorize and sympathize with Petrice all you want, she sucks as a villain and as a character.
...congratulations? Your opinion remains unchallenged?
Not really sure what your point was past that you didn't like her. I mean, you do try and make it more objective and stuff, but your diatribe is so riddled with personal opinion and descriptors that it's only fit for being called an opinion rant.
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I'll agree that Saemus is in over his head. But so am I. Or rather, so is Hawke. I wish I'd never gone to Kirkwall in the first place.
But now that I'm here, welll... Flemeth said it best. "Hurdled into the chaos you fight.."
It's time to make choices. I can't get out of it.
What shades of grey are these? Enlighten me, if you can.
Or is "enlightenment" not your role in the Qun?
The Qunari terrify me. There's no grey to me here. Control is control. I'm not even gay, but they make me realize just what it might be like... just a little... to be one. That's how much I loathe them.
That and I'm already libertarian to begin with. I don't even like people coming into my room. Let alone telling me what my role to society is. lol
The Qunari aren't anti-gay, you know. They're anti-sexual love in general- though what that means in practice has never been elaborated on. Is sex forbidden, or is it the emotional combination or exclusivity? Someone really needs to ask the Devs what the Qunari view on masturbation is.
Though, yes, being a libertarian you're very much not the sort of person that aspects of the Qun might appeal to.
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The Qunari aren't anti-gay, you know. They're anti-sexual love in general- though what that means in practice has never been elaborated on. Is sex forbidden, or is it the emotional combination or exclusivity? Someone really needs to ask the Devs what the Qunari view on masturbation is.
Though, yes, being a libertarian you're very much not the sort of person that aspects of the Qun might appeal to.
I'm just mentioning homosexuality since it's one of the most obvious lifestyles to illustrate what societal control looks like (in our world). I only mention in the context of the Qunari because they inflict that type of control on EVERYONE. They make everyone feel like gay people do in our own world. The extensive role designations frighten me on that level. The closest we have to it now is Sharia law. So it's hard to have "fun" with. I can roleplay just about anything else. I'd rather be a Dwarf nug humper than this.
The framing of the Qunari in DA2 was annoying. I mean, it's not like Petrice does anything notably out of line with what the Qunari would do for their own faith, but the Qunari are the cool, honourable warriors who Hawke can barely disapprove of without being a fanatical jerk, even when they're trying to murder emissaries and launching a treacherous attack on their hosts.
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@Dean_the_Young This topic has captured my interest and I want to add a bit more since I haven't really debated here yet....
What if Mother Petrice returned in Inquisition? First of all she would no longer be 'Mother', or 'sister' or anything remotely linked to the Chantry. I'm surprised no one has thrown her in the same boat as Anders for the crap she started and tried using religion to justify it "The Qun is gonna brainwash everyone because no one in Kirkwall has a mind of their own and they will all be Qunari zombies!!" Anyone who views her behavior in DAII as heroic is a fool in my book because nothing she did was heroic she; lied, hid, schemed and she acts like a child caught taking from the cookie jar red-handed when confronted and got all indignant and shifted the blame onto others [Force persuade/Lie] "It was the templar's fault not mine! I had nothing to do with it at all I swears!" She is a liar and a sneak and a bad one at that, even the title of her Act One main quest gives it away "In wolf's clothing" she certainly isn't a sheep in wolf's clothing with that scowl and sneering expression she has plastered onto her face 24/7.
Leliana was a murderess, Zevran was a murderer but I don't recall ever hearing them use religion or politics to justify their actions (the game is simply the game and assassin kills). With Zevran, as sleazy and semi-incompetent as he is at least did not desperately cling to some sort of title or higher power as justification for killing. My point is at least when it comes to murder, lying and cover-ups at least the people you mentioned were semi-competent at it, Petrice on the other hand was a complete amateur and her ends did not justify the means. She did basically what Anders did "Well those Qunari guys are gonna attack sooner or later, better sooner than later for some reason!" By swatting the bee's nest she incited an attack on Kirkwall by the group she was dead-set on vilifying; would they have attacked sooner or later or at all? Who knows? Perhaps if the selfish pirate and the book had been handed over to the Arishok in Act 1 then the attack never would have happened (or at least they would have left Kirkwall for the meantime allowing the Viscount time enough to muster a proper defense and call for reinforcements).
So yea I really see no point in having her out of all the characters featured in DA2, I really can't picture her having anything to do in Inquisition unless she is living the life of an excommunicated pariah, living in squalor in the sewers beneath the city feeding off of rats, grub worms and whatever nutrients and minerals she can harvest from excrement and bile pools. She made her superior and her religion look bad, she's really no better than Anders in Act 3 so I see no reason why a pariah excommunicate like her would even want to show her face among human society. Yea and I don't like her, problem? Am I banned from the story & characters section of the forums now because I won't lick your boots and agree with your vaunted wisdom or that I just plain despise Petrice? Oh right I forgot opinions on bioware forums are translated as "toxic behavior" what was I thinking?
If we drop the Seamus part, that fanatic/liar/killer list could be applied to all the player characters, a number of the companions including, but not limited to, Leliana and Morrigan and Zevran and Anders and even Manly Chestbeard Dwarf, as well as a number of other major characters. Most of whom have a significant fan base.
And personnally, I don't think Seamus was that much of a sympathetic victim. I felt more pity for his father than for him.
I don't recall Fenris, Varric, Isabela, Morrigan, Alistair, Oghren, Velanna, Nathaniel, Sten, Zevran, Wynne, Merrill, Sigrun, Lelianna or Shale EVER trying to instigate religious war through zealotry....... Might just be me......
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