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[leaguer of one]

Didn't she get a crossbow bolt through her head courtesy of the Qunari?

Incorrect... It was an arrow from a bow. And I wish I did it.

[EmissaryofLies]

I'll gladly support her and her fanatics if they show up. I want Andrastians to really see the monster that the Chantry truly is. To see that they do not follow Andraste but prop her up and use her as an excuse to commit atrocities. 

 

That and it will be so much easier to wage war against them if they're not hiding behind smiling faces. 

[leaguer of one]

I'll gladly support her and her fanatics if they show up. I want Andrastians to really see the monster that the Chantry truly is. To see that they do not follow Andraste but prop her up and use her as an excuse to commit atrocities. 

 

That and it will be so much easier to wage war against them if they're not hiding behind smiling faces. 

You do realize that can blow up in you're face and have everyone fallow the crazy.

[mlgumm]

@ StreetMagic, I'm not usually so angry, but she arguably helped kill Ketojan. My first playthrough I was so happy because I thought someone this cool had to be a party member. Then he lit himself on fire. I played that scene 3 times thinking I messed up. Then she proceeded to be manipulative and awful and I cheered when she died. I really hate her.

 

And the martyr thing is from someone's suggestion for the playthroughs where she died.

[Gtdef]

Mother ****** better stay dead and not because she is a fanatic or anything. I just don't understand how this woman had success. Seems like a case of "I see what you are doing, but I'm gonna let you do it just because". Ok you fall for her act the very first time. After all she almost lost her life when the guy pulled her in an alley (could be staged, whatever). But by the time you realise she set you up you should be able to kill her and be done with her. Everyone knew about her. It is implied that the grand cleric knew about her.

 

If I was Qunari I wouldn't even bother with her when it's obvious that she is enabled to do what she does. I would kill the Grand Cleric for not taking care of her earlier. Actually I wouldn't even harm her cause I'd think that she was framed cause she is dumb as fk!

 

Her storyline was badly written as well. Whole game you can just walk up to the Grand Cleric and say hi, then ask how long the curls of your mother used to be when she was a child, and then tell her she is useless. But when Mother ****** is part of the quest, you magically can't involve the Grand Cleric. Even is she was a more attractive character she is bad for the game ;p 

[Saints]

If she returns in DA:I, it'll be in a casket

[Heimdall]

I'll gladly support her and her fanatics if they show up. I want Andrastians to really see the monster that the Chantry truly is. To see that they do not follow Andraste but prop her up and use her as an excuse to commit atrocities. 

 

That and it will be so much easier to wage war against them if they're not hiding behind smiling faces. 

You do realize that even the Chantry condemned her fanaticism, right?

[Dean_the_Young]

Seriously? So after ALL that I typed in response that's the one thing you choose to focus on? Oh and I noticed that someone basically said what I was saying about Petrice using religion to justify her vile behavior but I guess my rebuttal was too cryptic (or maybe because I brought up valid points with Zevran and Leliana and that another poster refuted your claims that the other party members from DA:O/A were rabble rousing zealots akin to Mother Petrice) . Whatevs I'm withdrawing my input from this discussion if my well-thought out responses (and I do mean well thought out for me since I am not the debating type) is just going to be waved aside to focus on wether or not the poster is feeling personally attacked (I will not humor any potential forum psychology fetish you may have). I will refrain from further engaging in any more of these types of "discussions" in the furture, and possibly from the forums themselves. 

 

Certainly- after all, it's not often you find someone who considers a piece loaded with character attacks and hyperbole against both the topic of discussion and the person they are discussing it, 'well-thought out responses.'

 

Though I suppose you may have a point in that it was good for you. All things relative and all that- I wouldn't know and wouldn't have asssumed, but I'll take your word for it. If so, you probably will have trouble on the forums. They're kind of places for debates and debating types of people to talk with a certain level of decorum.

 

But, since you said you would refrain from further engaging in any of these types of discussions in the future, I'm sure I'll never hear a response. It's not like you would be the sort of person who would try to close an exchange with a rebuttal and last word, and go back on your word if you couldn't get that last word.

[Althix]

i have her alive in one of my playthrough.

 

but i don't really like her, more to that i find this character silly. her zealotry is misplaced and poorly presented (well as many other things in DA2). I find this character stupid, tiresome and boring.

 

so i hope she will not make her appearance in DAI

[Chari]

Ahahah.
No.

[Tommy6860]

i have her alive in one of my playthrough.

 

but i don't really like her, more to that i find this character silly. her zealotry is misplaced and poorly presented (well as many other things in DA2). I find this character stupid, tiresome and boring.

 

so i hope she will not make her appearance in DAI

 

I see your point, but I did however, have one run where I was able to side with her and got the impression that there's a chance (after she was kicked out of the chantry) she'd support me in the future; I got none of that if I supported the Arishok to the end. Is Patrice a zealot to her beliefs?; most certainly. But the Arishok's belief system is intransigent and shiftless, so they are both on near equal terms. I've never seen a codex or a discussion with a member of the chantry who wants to leave it not having a choice in doing so, unlike what the Qun demands.

 

When I consider Kirkwall and its residents, the Qunari basically asserted their position there (on the count of that book they needed so they can go home) based on their beliefs that those not like them are not worthy of life, they are infectious (for want of a better description). They are very strict in that sense. I guess I color my sensibilities to all of this in that Patrice (the Chantry) only had to deal with another belief system that seemingly was challenging their hold on society in Kirkwall, nothing else was. I don't count the Mage/Templar conflict since the the mages there were held under Templar rule of which fell under Chantry laws.

 

While that aspect of DA2 was a small part, is is certainly complicated in some part.

[Dean_the_Young]

Again more psychobabble B.S. and little-next to nothing about the topic itself except for the mentions of my "diatribe" (your word) against Petrice (which if you think that is bad maybe you ought to take a gander at the Tallis in Inquisition thread, or not I don't care) though nice job with the veiled insults -- "mee too stoopid to understand all thoze big werds yous beez using mistuh dean". Oh my precious pride is so hurt; oh the humanity, the shade of it all!! As for future responses, oh wait I've discovered this wonderful thing called the "ignore feature"

 

Ah, the old 'I said I was done before but now I really am done after a scathing rebuttal and last word for reals this time' departure. Complete with the ignore function, because clearly one can't do it on their own. I wish I could collect money every time someone tried to end a conversation with the last word and parting insult more than once.

 

I mean, if you actually had the self-control to rise above it all, you wouldn't even need the crutch of an ignore feature. You wouldn't even need to aim for the last word (twice). You'd simply drop the subject and move on- not even bothering to reply or acknowledge.

 

Me? I'm ambivalent, and bemused. I've never used veiled insults on your intelligence- I'm quite content openly dismissing your choleric argument and misguided sense of persecution on their own grounds.

 

Heck, if it weren't unverifiable, I'd put close odds on what you will do next. Break your word for another attempt at the last word and a scathing retort? Actually never see this and go on for the rest of you day feeling you showed that stranger, getting the last word and running from that conversation like that? Or will know about this quote because you couldn't stay away (again) or read someone's quote, and simply be ashamed to respond again knowing that if you do, you would be exposing yourself to mockery?

 

But, since you said you would refrain from further engaging in any of these types of discussions in the future, I'm sure I'll never hear a response. For reals this time.

[Althix]

@ Tommy6860

 

Qun is not a religion, it's a the structure of society where each member of this society is nothing more but a tool. Where every being a cog in the overall machine. It's not a belief in transcendent being that may or may not exist. Qun as teaching is nothing more than a constitution. Like a Koran (or Quran) for example. And constituion is a set of fondumental principles by which you govern a state or nation.

And as Koran, Qun is not changing for ages, unlike Bible for example, where one book may contradict with another.

 

"He chooses to be. As do we all, long before any of your meaningless freedoms are presented."

"Existence is a choice."

 Qun offers certainty. And for the most of people it's the only thing what is important. On old BSN board i already made an example of my... not sure how it's in English. Not a sergeant, but not an officer... Ensign i guess. Man was 40 years old, 22 years in service. Army was (and is, i think) his life, because following orders, do his duties from day to day is the only thing that matters for him. And most likely outside military environment that man could not survive or find himself.

Qun offers the very same certainty in tomorrow. Iron law and order. And this is why it's so appealing.

 

Mother Petriece on the other hand is a deluded person, one of those "i say i am right, and this is why all others are wrong", she is ignorant, self centered zealot or even worse. She interpret teaching of Chantry as she see fit, and if you would allow her to live, she will tell you that she is about to begin her work on schism inside the Chatry. She is an aggressor, selfrighteous and silly. She is not a mastermind, she possibly a tool that will be used by someone smarter that she is, only to be discarded when her resource of utility or usability work itself out. Character is empty, predictable and poorly presented or argumented. More to say that in this playthrough when mother Petriece is alive everything is a mess, Arishok is dead, Anders lives, Isabela stays. Also i can't really see any use for Petriece in the future, i really don't simply because of how this character made. She is nothing more than a next thug you can see on the streets on Kirkwall really. And if you will stop supporting her at some point, she will stab you in the back or brand you as dissident.

 

Grand Cleric Elthina on the other hand is a character, which by not playing a too major role in the game, but being a victim to Anders, have a much deeper thought behind her. And funny enough, Elthina is actually serve her Faith, even in a position of Grand Cleric. Which is the achievement really.

 

So to sum it all up, we don't have a defender of the Faith in the face of Petriece, we have a... purger or repressor.

[Nightdragon8]

@ Tommy6860

 

Qun is not a religion, it's a the structure of society where each member of this society is nothing more but a tool. Where every being a cog in the overall machine. It's not a belief in transcendent being that may or may not exist. Qun as teaching is nothing more than a constitution. Like a Koran (or Quran) for example. And constituion is a set of fondumental principles by which you govern a state or nation.

And as Koran, Qun is not changing for ages, unlike Bible for example, where one book may contradict with another.

 

Honestly.... the line between "society" and "religion" tends to blur when you have such strict rulesets.

 

If we where to go by the dictionary then yes it is a religion. However this also leads to eating food drinking fluids is also a religion.

 

As with your bible reference. That only applies to the different translations. As for the books withen the bible. The contradictions is honestly rather low. At least in the new testament. I mean its a good case study on how different witnesses see different things. As for the old testament. I think like Half is historic accounts and the other parts are life lessons.

[DarkDragon777]

In most people's games, she got pierced by a bow and arrow courtesy of a Sten -  in one of the most hilarious scenes in the game, so no.

[EmissaryofLies]

You do realize that can blow up in you're face and have everyone fallow the crazy.

 

Can and will are two different things, Leaguer. I am perfectly willing to risk such an outcome.

[Althix]

Honestly.... the line between "society" and "religion" tends to blur when you have such strict rulesets.

Religion can be a part of society, one of basises of it. Because society also based on culture, and culture includes religion amongst other things.

 

Koran for example is a set of laws, presented as words of God delivered by prophet. Same with Bible. I don't really remember now, but i guess book of David is actually a set of jewish military laws.

Qun is no different. It's a society based on dominant culture, and that culture includes teachings of Ashkaari Koslun, who was a philosopher and founder of the Qun.

Honestly i can't think of Qun as of religion. Because in my opinion Qun is a doctrine without any religious input.. Even if i am aware of existence of Ben-Hassrath.

 

And this is what Petriece can't grasp or understand, because she can't or don't want to. Her fear and mindset pushing her away from the Maker to somewhere else. Maybe to a Maker with blackjack and ... you know.

As Arishok said - "we didn't come to indoctrinate", and this is a truth. Because none of them have such role as to spread a teachings of Qun in a manner as Ben-Hassrath do it. However Arishok is not a fool and he is using elves to provoke Kirkwall and commence purging. Strategy is very simple really. Because Antaam can spread the Qun by force and conquest.

 

So zealotry pf Petriece is rather sad, and this character is very poor by any means. So as i said, even if i have her alive i would rather not see her again. Because i can't consider this character valuable. Although i can imagine her doing some work in DAI.

[Ricochetmatt]

Wait, what? Mother Petrice could survive DA:II? That is unfortunate. I was quite happy thinking there was no escape for that awful woman. 

 

Not that it matters. She died in my game and has no chance of bothering me ever again. Unless Bioware really screws up. 

[The Qun & the Damned]

Ooh, she better stay dead, her wang shaped head is forever ingrained into my brain, a shape of beauty ruined, for a minute anyway.

[Tubercle]

Ugh, Petrice will return in my game..... as a demon raized zooommmbbbbiieee.... then I cut off it's head... or push it out an airlock or something involving primitives/reptiles