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does anybody know why they decided not to have any homosexual romances like in DA,O


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The real reason is that Sheppard's history is know to the player and the fact is that he is not gay. You don't always have to have same sex romance to have a great story.


...Shepard's not heterosexual either. Please don't try that crap. Nowhere does it say what Shepard is so you assuming he/she is a heterosexual is just as dumb as me assuming the opposite.

And no you don't have to have a homosexual romance to make the story great, I'm certain it will still be truly epic, but for me and many others it would be even better. Nobody is saying that it's necessary, it would just be nice to have and make a great story BETTER.

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What are you talking about Toby? Where does it say in his history that he "is not gay" or "is heterosexual".



And also - I pay for it, the character is mine. Otherwise - it is NOT a roleplaying game.



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BTW, I will be buying ME 2, and I will love ME 2. And, I will buy ME books - and ME 3.



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However, I will be careful in the future before buying another Bioware product where the author claims: "This is our character."



Funny how that statement is ONLY used to stop him from having a M/M romance and nothing else in the game. No:



"Shepard must have a relationship with Miranda - because it's our character."



"Shepard must save the Council - because this is our character."



"Shepard must chose Udina over Anderson - because this is our character."




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[quote]Akrim_Drak wrote...

[quote]ERJAK1 wrote...

[quote]Akrim_Drak wrote...

[quote]coppercondor wrote...

[quote]skitchin2112 wrote...

[quote]coppercondor wrote...

who cares? its a game wanna have sex with a chick role a guy char, wanna have sex with a dude role a male, not that hard.[/quote]

LOL thats quite the typo. and wouldnt it be easier if you could make a guy and have both options? or the other way around
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it would be easier but BioWare obviously had a preset mindset to Commander Sheperd and apparently that Commander isnt gay. I mean if I had someone play through my life in anyway they wanted, the only thing I would want be the same would be my sexuality. And plus, if there was gay sex all the republicans in the world would burn ME2 copies by the truck load.



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K, congratulations you just raped and killed every female member of your family in front of their partners, then killed their partners.

Also, who cares what republicans burn. They have to BUY the D*** things to burn them.
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Yeah... I'm just trying to stay slightly neutral. I usually get slightly less hate/ignorance that way. That's why I didn't say something like that. It makes no sense to me but hey, to each their own.

It's funny because I'm usually really pesimistic but I'm still optimistic that ME2 won't let us down.

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Oh, you were being ironic. I'm sorry then I just went a little overboard, see my rage has taken over my reasoning abilities.


See Sig.:crying:

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jakl201 wrote...

I'm so glad ya'll are taking my response so seriously. This is like the fifth to eighth thread I've seen about this topic. To be honest, I could not give a rat's **** about it at this point. Male shepard ain't gonna be gay. Man up and accept it. And despite all the 'femshep is a lezbian cause of liara' crap, twenty bucks says she won't be making out with a female human anytime soon.


Yes but all bioware keeps saying is that shep is your character nomatter what sex you are.
If shep is your character you should choose if he/she is gay or not. not Bioware or EA


I find Shepard is much less my character and much more Biowares than every other bioware game by far. Your playing their character, and just kind of influincing their conicious alittle.

I love the Mass Effect series to death, but to me I hardly consider it an rpg, Shepard is biowares character that they simply let me play with.  Heck, I don't even know what my character is going to say, I just have a slight idea that often turns out not to reflect what was actually said at all.

I dislike the fact that the marketing builds up how much Shepard is your character.

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skitchin2112 wrote...

jakl201 wrote...

I'm so glad ya'll are taking my response so seriously. This is like the fifth to eighth thread I've seen about this topic. To be honest, I could not give a rat's **** about it at this point. Male shepard ain't gonna be gay. Man up and accept it. And despite all the 'femshep is a lezbian cause of liara' crap, twenty bucks says she won't be making out with a female human anytime soon.


Yes but all bioware keeps saying is that shep is your character nomatter what sex you are.
If shep is your character you should choose if he/she is gay or not. not Bioware or EA

Stop right there, yes he/she is your character but within the confines of the game, think of it like this you can't stop the reaper invasion from happening, you can't say screw saren I'm going to Earth for a vacation. Bioware gets the ending rule at the end of the day. Just because its not here in this game doesn't say its not going to be in the next game. It just means they didn't put it in for the minority who would enjoy it. As understandably annoyed as you are I find the flared responses of pitch forks and rope a too tad abrasive for my taste. This game is really about saving the Galaxy and not about wanting to bang Jacob in the corner for that 5 second cutscene. If it annoys you that much feel free to boycott it but skipping the game because of that 5 second scene with a love interest that takes up a miniscule part of the game just makes little to no sense to me.

Modifié par Stounga, 23 janvier 2010 - 02:55 .


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skitchin2112 wrote...

lol who cares what gender they are i just want to bed them with my femshep


This^ kinda, I prefer F/F, but am definitely for having as many options as possible.

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exactly i think bioware is just being mean

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Akrim_Drak:

Sorry, my friend, you mean Hendel didn't tell you? Oh man, this IS awkward.


I don't even know what to say I'm so devastated. :crying:

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It's supposed to be "your story" given the limitations of the parameters set by the people who made the story tree. Much like a choose your adventure book, if there wasn't a page where you could turn to to see your relation develop with your same sex partner then you were out of luck.



There are no ME2 writers or devs who are comfortable writing a homosexual arc, because I suppose none of them are homosexual and don't feel inclined to write a sub-par, misunderstood, or just cheesy homosexual relation.



You all will just have to deal with it.

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Stounga wrote...

Stop right there, yes he/she is your character but within the confines of the game, think of it like this you can't stop the reaper invasion from happening, you can't say screw saren I'm going to Earth for a vacation. Bioware gets the ending rule at the end of the day. Just because its not here in this game doesn't say its not going to be in the next game. It just means they didn't put it in for the minority who would enjoy it. As understandably annoyed as you are I find the flared responses of pitch forks and rope a too tad abrasive for my taste. 


If it isn't in the game, and at this point it looks like its not, a DLC is possible for those who would want it. Cheap, easy to make, most of the coding is already in the game, it would be a good investment.

By the way, I made a group for people who want to see same-sex romances in Mass Effect 2. It's called Fight For The Love, come by and join if you want.

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There are no ME2 writers or devs
who are comfortable writing a homosexual arc, because I suppose none of
them are homosexual and don't feel inclined to write a sub-par,
misunderstood, or just cheesy homosexual relation.
 


Jade Empire, Mass Effect, and Dragon Age: Origins all disagree with this.

Modifié par DaeJi, 23 janvier 2010 - 02:57 .


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ERJAK1 wrote...

skitchin2112 wrote...

lol who cares what gender they are i just want to bed them with my femshep


This^ kinda, I prefer F/F, but am definitely for having as many options as possible.


When i said that i was refering to a few other people who were arguing with eachother about what sex an asari is? but yes options are good

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Stounga wrote...

skitchin2112 wrote...

jakl201 wrote...

I'm so glad ya'll are taking my response so seriously. This is like the fifth to eighth thread I've seen about this topic. To be honest, I could not give a rat's **** about it at this point. Male shepard ain't gonna be gay. Man up and accept it. And despite all the 'femshep is a lezbian cause of liara' crap, twenty bucks says she won't be making out with a female human anytime soon.


Yes but all bioware keeps saying is that shep is your character nomatter what sex you are.
If shep is your character you should choose if he/she is gay or not. not Bioware or EA

Stop right there, yes he/she is your character but within the confines of the game, think of it like this you can't stop the reaper invasion from happening, you can't say screw saren I'm going to Earth for a vacation. Bioware gets the ending rule at the end of the day. Just because its not here in this game doesn't say its not going to be in the next game. It just means they didn't put it in for the minority who would enjoy it. As understandably annoyed as you are I find the flared responses of pitch forks and rope a too tad abrasive for my taste. This game is really about saving the Galaxy and not about wanting to bang Jacob in the corner for that 5 second cutscene.


Guess what, fictional universe, whatever I say happens happens, doesn't matter if you agree with me or not. You have no evidence to the contrary. For example

Master Chief is a dark haired Asian woman who is in a loving relationship with Samus Aran. See? You can't disprove that, especially considering I actually have more video evidence "proving" it then you do  "disproving" it. 

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Akrim_Drak wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Akrim_Drak:

Sorry, my friend, you mean Hendel didn't tell you? Oh man, this IS awkward.


I don't even know what to say I'm so devastated. :crying:


I'm so sorry Akrim, but the Hendelmance is mine.

Oh, and there doesn't seem to be any more gay people in ME's universe.

You can come over for dinner though...

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I'm into bestiality personally. I'm pretty angry they didn't include this aspect in the game. It's supposed to be MY Shepard! Also I'll bet the incestuous community is angry about there being no family members as love interests in this game. Bioware = insensitive to all other sexual preferences in the world. I'm angry.



Seriously, Bioware isn't obligated to appeal to every person with every kind of sexual preference. I can't imagine how much time and money that would take for such a menial aspect of the game. Just enjoy the game for the millions of other aspects that make it a great game,

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DaeJi wrote...

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Stop right there, yes he/she is your character but within the confines of the game, think of it like this you can't stop the reaper invasion from happening, you can't say screw saren I'm going to Earth for a vacation. Bioware gets the ending rule at the end of the day. Just because its not here in this game doesn't say its not going to be in the next game. It just means they didn't put it in for the minority who would enjoy it. As understandably annoyed as you are I find the flared responses of pitch forks and rope a too tad abrasive for my taste. 


If it isn't in the game, and at this point it looks like its not, a DLC is possible for those who would want it. Cheap, easy to make, most of the coding is already in the game, it would be a good investment.

By the way, I made a group for people who want to see same-sex romances in Mass Effect 2. It's called Fight For The Love, come by and join if you want.


Shame there is no mod tools. ;)

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There are no ME2 writers or devs who are comfortable writing a homosexual arc, because I suppose none of them are homosexual and don't feel inclined to write a sub-par, misunderstood, or just cheesy homosexual relation.
 

How many of the writers are monogendered aliens? 

They don't have to write a "homosexual relation", just write a relationship and give the player choice.

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It's supposed to be "your story" given the limitations of the parameters set by the people who made the story tree. Much like a choose your adventure book, if there wasn't a page where you could turn to to see your relation develop with your same sex partner then you were out of luck.

There are no ME2 writers or devs who are comfortable writing a homosexual arc, because I suppose none of them are homosexual and don't feel inclined to write a sub-par, misunderstood, or just cheesy homosexual relation.

You all will just have to deal with it.


That's not true either, please go read the second ME book... That's an insult to the writers as well. I'm sure short of it being against their beliefs they'd be more than happy to at least TRY to do it.

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They have three different hetero options per gender...they couldn't make one person out of those bi so each gender could have a same sex option? Really?



They couldn't have Thane and SuZe go both ways? That's just bull crap.




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DaeJi wrote...

Stounga wrote...

Stop right there, yes he/she is your character but within the confines of the game, think of it like this you can't stop the reaper invasion from happening, you can't say screw saren I'm going to Earth for a vacation. Bioware gets the ending rule at the end of the day. Just because its not here in this game doesn't say its not going to be in the next game. It just means they didn't put it in for the minority who would enjoy it. As understandably annoyed as you are I find the flared responses of pitch forks and rope a too tad abrasive for my taste. 


If it isn't in the game, and at this point it looks like its not, a DLC is possible for those who would want it. Cheap, easy to make, most of the coding is already in the game, it would be a good investment.

By the way, I made a group for people who want to see same-sex romances in Mass Effect 2. It's called Fight For The Love, come by and join if you want.


I would love to join

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This is why lmao, Gotta love shepards punch line
 


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Crawling_Chaos wrote...

It's supposed to be "your story" given the limitations of the parameters set by the people who made the story tree. Much like a choose your adventure book, if there wasn't a page where you could turn to to see your relation develop with your same sex partner then you were out of luck.

There are no ME2 writers or devs who are comfortable writing a homosexual arc, because I suppose none of them are homosexual and don't feel inclined to write a sub-par, misunderstood, or just cheesy homosexual relation.

You all will just have to deal with it.


So they had no problem for EVERY OTHER GAME BIOWARE HAS MADE, but this one they just can't F***** do it huh?

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ERJAK1 wrote...

Stounga wrote...

skitchin2112 wrote...

jakl201 wrote...

I'm so glad ya'll are taking my response so seriously. This is like the fifth to eighth thread I've seen about this topic. To be honest, I could not give a rat's **** about it at this point. Male shepard ain't gonna be gay. Man up and accept it. And despite all the 'femshep is a lezbian cause of liara' crap, twenty bucks says she won't be making out with a female human anytime soon.


Yes but all bioware keeps saying is that shep is your character nomatter what sex you are.
If shep is your character you should choose if he/she is gay or not. not Bioware or EA

Stop right there, yes he/she is your character but within the confines of the game, think of it like this you can't stop the reaper invasion from happening, you can't say screw saren I'm going to Earth for a vacation. Bioware gets the ending rule at the end of the day. Just because its not here in this game doesn't say its not going to be in the next game. It just means they didn't put it in for the minority who would enjoy it. As understandably annoyed as you are I find the flared responses of pitch forks and rope a too tad abrasive for my taste. This game is really about saving the Galaxy and not about wanting to bang Jacob in the corner for that 5 second cutscene.


Guess what, fictional universe, whatever I say happens happens, doesn't matter if you agree with me or not. You have no evidence to the contrary. For example

Master Chief is a dark haired Asian woman who is in a loving relationship with Samus Aran. See? You can't disprove that, especially considering I actually have more video evidence "proving" it then you do  "disproving" it. 


Actually Bioware got hold of the universe too ;) you just make decisions on pre-made events.

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It means that if you can look at something with a tail or velociraptor teeth and accept it as a sentient being and not care or be resentful of it than little "minor" real world stuff like skin color and sexuality should not be a big deal to you.  I'm just saying that there is irony in your statement as homosexuals are often considered to many people as "inferior" to heterosexuals but now you are implying that homosexuality is superior to another potential type of sexuality.  I know this is fictionalized sexuality, but I still think it is ironic.

But it goes both ways. Homosexuals are still considered inferior enough that sentient alien beings are more acceptable even though they have very different physiology. The most popular argument against homosexuals has always been that they couldn't reproduce and thus cannot contribute to society. Yet, the same restrictions are present in a Quarian/Human relationship but people will defend that it's more about the connection between the two. Isn't that the same for same-sex relationships? Why is ME more comfortable with depicting humans being able to fully embrace an alien romance but then it shies away from the idea of a human romancing another human? If you can look past the velociraptor teeth, why can't you look past the sex of the person of YOUR species?


I don't think it has anything to do with discomfort.  Bioware has been ballsy enough to put same sex relationships in 3 of their games now, one that came out over a year after the FOX news scandal.  They aren't afraid of it.  I'm simply saying that they can't put every type of romance in every time and this time they chose to cater to a different minority.   There will be more same sex relationships in future games I have no doubt.  And as I'm not going to change anybody's mind on this topic and I've said my piece I think the best thing for me to do is to go to some other thread.  I am not "apathetic" to your plight as someone else said earlier.  In fact, I sympathize with it.  I have felt shortchanged in the past so I know how you feel.  Unfortunately, whenever one person gets their way it is almost always at someone else's expense.  Can't we sort of take turns or something?

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ERJAK1 wrote...

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It's supposed to be "your story" given the limitations of the parameters set by the people who made the story tree. Much like a choose your adventure book, if there wasn't a page where you could turn to to see your relation develop with your same sex partner then you were out of luck.

There are no ME2 writers or devs who are comfortable writing a homosexual arc, because I suppose none of them are homosexual and don't feel inclined to write a sub-par, misunderstood, or just cheesy homosexual relation.

You all will just have to deal with it.


So they had no problem for EVERY OTHER GAME BIOWARE HAS MADE, but this one they just can't F***** do it huh?


Right, because Bioware uses the same people for every game they make.  They couldn't possibly have different teams.

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Crawling_Chaos wrote...
There are no ME2 writers or devs who are comfortable writing a homosexual arc, because I suppose none of them are homosexual and don't feel inclined to write a sub-par, misunderstood, or just cheesy homosexual relation.
 

How many of the writers are monogendered aliens? 


Or Turians, or Drell, or Quarian.