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[Obadiah]

...then turn around and couch their view of Geth actions during the war in an immoral manner of "extermination" and "Genocide".

That's exactly what the Geth did, they commited genocide and you can't deny it. You can only argue if they were intellectually capable enough of realising exactly what they were doing or not.
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"Exactly" what the Geth did would include details and context on the conflict of the war, which we don't have.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

From the Codex, talking about the Geth: "During the war, the committed a brutal genocide that eradicated all but a few quarians- less than one percent of the pre-war population."

"Exactly what the Geth did" is genocide, no way around it. I do believe that toxins were mentioned, indicating biological weapons. 

[Daemul]

The amount of spin on both sides of this argument is hilarious.  

 

For me it's simple, the Quarians were going to genocide the Geth but got their asses handed to them and nearly got themselves wiped out instead, and if you don't create peace one side commits genocide on the other over Rannoch. These are the facts. Everything else in this thread like the ridiculous appeal to emotion people are using, like "wahh they kill da Quarian childrenz"  or the infamous "99% of the Quarians were armed." (gets me everytime) nonsense is irrelevant garbage both sides are using to justify their choice.

 

The Geth and the Quarians are as bad as each other, like father like son. End of. 

[shodiswe]

@Shodiswe
Headcanon ahead here: you posted your theory about Veetor, I've got one about those AI in the Citadel DLC.

They were created by the Asari.

• As we learn in ME1 if we ask Gianna Parasini about Synthetic Insights, the Council occasionally grants certain organizations waivers to research otherwise-illegal artificial intelligence.

• Loki mechs have five fingers. Three hundred years ago, there were only two five-fingered races on the galactic scene - the Asari, and (possibly) the Batarians. Of those, only one has a Council seat, and would thus have any say in who gets those waivers.

Seems to me that the Council loudly denounced the remaining sliver of the Quarian population before the entire galaxy for creating an AI, showed them to the airlock, and quietly exterminated the ones they were themselves making on the side.

I'd argue that the Council ban on artificial intelligence is unjust and needs to be overturned. An AI which is properly "raised" can comfortably fit into galactic society (EDI). One which isn't will not (Geth). That said, it is a valid danger to be recognized - as Jarrahe Station demonstrates, refraining from aggression towards an AI or rogue VI doesn't guarantee your safety any more than it does with a wild animal.

It's not impossible the Asari made them, though it's not proven. But the possibility makes it a valid headcannon since it can't be disproven. Like my theory about the Quarians odd operation. If it had just been Veetor then that would have been strange enough(I could have swallowed that). But lets just say there were simply too many concidences stacking up, from the books, and every time the Quarians get involved. Nevermind their suspicious behaviour and timing.

On other strange thing is that Loki mechs were designed and built by a human company (Hane khedar I belive it was) in ME2... My guess is that they were just reusing graphics becasue it's cheap, easy and expedient(Citadel DLC).
That AI in Jarrahe station didn't go bad on it's own, it was altered by a virus transfered from a transport carryign mechs. If you keep tracking the story you will find both the Freighter that had the defective mechs with the virus that infected the station VI, aswell as the factory that was sabotaged.

We never learn who sabotaged the factory but somehow it seems like it might have been sabotaged by reaper influence, or someone wanting to test anti-synthetic warfare viruses.

Either it was reaaper sabotage to weaken the galaxy, or someone testing new electronicswarfare toyes, or soem kind of industrial rivalry that might have spread beyond the intended target.

Possibilities, the virus was created by; Reapers, Quarians or an industrial rival. Or thehumans stol an old illegal Asari design and the Asari tried to sabotage it just because, after all an Asari did work in the factory but she got killed.

There are lots of posibilities. Anyway, point is Jarrahe station was sabotaged by a virus that had spread, someone wanted it to be nasty, it wasn't natural.

[Obadiah]

From the Codex, talking about the Geth: "During the war, the committed a brutal genocide that eradicated all but a few quarians- less than one percent of the pre-war population."

"Exactly what the Geth did" is genocide, no way around it. I do believe that toxins were mentioned, indicating biological weapons.

That's interesting. Which Codex entry is that in?

[shodiswe]

Does he seriously think that 99% of their population was armed?
 
Makes total sense. I can see little 16 month old toddlers armed with rifles, wearing an ammo belt, a bandana, and war paint like Baby Rambo fighting Geth.

That's not what I said. It's just Deinons atempt at distorting my arguments and substituting what was said, with something that makes less sense to make his arguments sound more plausible. I said famine and diseases played a large role, in adition to a population who took up arms against the Geth as ordered by their Leaders.
Initialy his argument was that it was just as bad if the Geth let the babies and children and civilians starve intentionaly. Then in the next iteration it was changed into arming 99% of the population.
It's however the typical route of political argumentation. An atempt to make it sound like the otherside made claims that were never made.

Still, if someones parents used a gun agaisnt the Geth and the Geth killed them, then it's not far fetched that the kid might panic and try and pickup the gun in an atempt to defend itself. Or the kid might run away, hide in a cave, get pneumonia and starve. Given the weakness of Quarian health and their immunesystem they would be far more suceptible to such condition than humans who had 20-40% of populations die from such conditions, often without a war to worry about.
Mortalityrates are a lot higher in human populations with weakened immunesystem, old people and people who have starved or had other diseases or medical conditions.

The Quarian health conditions are extreme. Now add a war with bullets, chemical, nuclear and perhaps even biological weapons and things will deteriorate quickly.

Also, people seem to get me wrong, I'm not saying the Geth never did anything moraly wrong, but I'm saying I think the quarians were first at everything escalating things and they were ten times worse.
The Quarians were the ones who sat the standards of the conflict. They brought it on themselves. I'm sure it's a sad sobstory for all those poor and stupid people who trusted their leaders and their ideals. But just because they ended up loosing from their gamble doesn't mean anything. They atempted genocide, they never really regreted it, except the part about failing.

It's kind of liek the Rachni war, the Rachni attacked everyone and started killing people. Then the Krogans were uplifted and drafted to fight the Rachni. The Krogans then hunted the Rachni to extinction. Most people were happy that the Rachni were stopped and a statue was erected even if a few were concerned that the whole Rachni species was exterminated.
The statue was erected after the Krogan rebelions however to show that the council hadn't forgotten about the past.

The Rachni were genociding their way through the galaxy, the krogans hunted them to extinction through a massive genocide and became heroes, albeit with a stigma for killing every last Rachni.
Like the Rachni the Quarians tried to genocide 100% of the Geth species, but they in turn were brought down to a fall, they wern't however persued across the whole galaxy, merely stopped from being a thread to continued Geth survival. The Quarians never surrendered or atempted a peace, their argument was that you can't reason with a machine so it was never atempted on a government level.
At the same time a synthetic can't negotiate with someone who doesn't belive it's possible and rather picks up a gun to shoot at them.

Given that the Galaxy seemed content at letting the Geth stay in the Perseus Veil their isolationism worked well for them. Until the Reapers showed up. If the Reapers hadn't existed then Isolationinism wasn't really hurting them. The problem arrised when a problem that was to big for anyone to deal with on their own arrised.
It's not something the Geth could have accounted for 290 years earlier or 200 years earlier. Basicly, the isolationism was desired by both the Geth and the Council. Neither side wanted to risk arrousing the hornets nest.

The Geth were secretly spying and interacting with organics, and organics were secretly spying on the Geth. Each trying to understand the other.

No side can ever come out of a war and claim they never did anything moraly questionable. Unless ofcourse one side is killed off before they can react.

[DeinonSlayer]

@shodiswe
Never said you said that. Obadiah and a few others have, though.

I **** you not, the craziest theory I ever saw here was someone who was seriously arguing that the Quarians exterminated themselves by stampeding to escape ships.

You can say nobody tried to surrender until you're blue in the face, but we're told straight "the Geth never learned to take survivors." They spent centuries ignoring all attempts to communicate and killing any organics they encountered on sight - if this pattern of behavior began during the war itself, then any attempt by the quarians (in whole or in part) to surrender would have been ignored.

[Mrs_Stick]

@shodiswe
Never said you said that. Obadiah and a few others have, though.
 
I **** you not, the craziest theory I ever saw here was someone who was seriously arguing that the Quarians exterminated themselves by stampeding to escape ships.

As the Drell killed each other for mouth fulls of water. The Quarian killed each other for the last spot on the ship! !