Assuming we can believe anything we're shown in the Consensus at all, of course.
So how 'bout dem Krogan?
I would personally say that there should be restrictions on space travel for the Krogan. Wrex obviously wants to change the Krogan for the better but he is only one individual. Other krogan would most likely challenge his authority and the krogan need to become more stabilized to become full members of the galactic community. As for Wreav well I make sure the genophage doesn't get cured.
The civilian ships would have been targets any way, I don't think the Geth or the Reapers would have respected the difference.
No. They wouldnt have. In 300 years the Geth learned a great deal. I believe the point in made in game, I think from Legion but not entirely sure since its been a while since I played through, that the CF would have not have been targeted at all if they were left unarmed.
I would personally say that there should be restrictions on space travel for the Krogan. Wrex obviously wants to change the Krogan for the better but he is only one individual. Other krogan would most likely challenge his authority and the krogan need to become more stablized to become full members of the galactic community. As for Wreav well I make sure the genophage doesn't get cured.
Of course. Believe the part that you like.Assuming we can believe anything we're shown in the Consensus at all, of course.
So how 'bout dem Krogan?
They've spent three centuries killing anything, armed or not, that entered their territory the second it came through.No. They wouldnt have. In 300 years the Geth learned a great deal. I believe the point in made in game, I think from Legion but not entirely sure since its been a while since I played through, that the CF would have not have been targeted at all if they were left unarmed.
They've spent three centuries killing anything, armed or not, that entered their territory the second it came through.
And as he said, even if the Geth respected the difference (which nobody has any cause to believe given their past behavior), the Reapers won't.
I cured it with Wreav once. And then forgot the bomb so eve died when it went off. I talked to him on earth and he said he almost didn't show because I knew about it. He figured his men needed a fight so he showed up anyway. Um thanks I guess?
I remember Wreav telling his troops to pay attention to the other races tactics and formations. Saying that they will pay them a visit later. Eve was dead in that playthrough as well. Sabotaging the cure was a good idea in that situation.
krooo-Gah... Krooo-Gah... Krooo-GAH! KROOO-GAH!
That is an excellent movie. The best part is when Bluto(John Belushi) pretends he's a zit and when he says the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
I feel like both Quarians and Geth were wrong but if everything was out of self-defense in the Morning War then why kill 99% of the Quarians? Did the Geth assume that they are gonna arm babies and send them out to fight? All Geth know how to fight. Not Quarian babies, children. What about the disabled or the elderly? I don't understand how you can treat Geth as innocent when they have the blood of people who couldn't even fight back or defend themselves on their hands.
If someone is going to say anything about reaper tech... the mass relays and the citadel are also reaper tech. And they don´t indoctrinate people as far as I know.
Point being, other things did - like, for example, the Reaper code.If someone is going to say anything about reaper tech... the mass relays and the citadel are also reaper tech. And they don´t indoctrinate people as far as I know.
Tough choice. I honestly think a population explosion would be a disaster for the Krogan once the brief euphoria of the cure wore off. Sort of like I expect the Quarians will quickly find living on Rannoch just as strenuous as fleet life, at least in the early years. As the Krogan population grows, they'll rediscover that they're living in an irradiated desert wasteland which can't feed them and need to emigrate again. I generally go with the cure, but even with both Wrex and Eve I'd think it appropriate to partition some territory off for them and quarantine them to those systems, keeping them demilitarized for however many centuries it takes to find a new equilibrium before they reintroduce themselves to the galaxy.
The ideal solution would be a "middle-ground" cure which took stillbirths out of the equation entirely but left their birth rate exactly where it is.
I can agree with you there. When I first played I cured on the fact Wrex was my friend. But after thinking about it especially after my renegade told him on the citadel "not all krogan are like you wrex" I realized they are a tough species to trust. They have not worked out aggression and there is no guarantee that Wrex will survive the last fight or any for that matter. What happens when a young krogan takes his place. A back up plan needs to be ready to go if need be. I do think they deserve a chance but it will be the last one they get.
I only Cure the Krogan when three criteria are met. Wrex must be in charge, Bakara (Eve) must survive the creation of the cure, and the Rachni Queen from ME1 must have survived to ME3. If any one of those three are not true for a particular playthrough, I sabotage the cure. Why? Wrex and Bakara know the Krogan as a race cannot breed without constraints as that is what lead to the Krogan expansion and ultimately the creation of the Genophage. They will try to shape the future of the Krogan on a more stable path. Wreav is a war monger and cannot be trust with an unbound Krogan race. Without Bakara, the very idea that Wrex could control the other clans, without the Genophage and possible extinction hanging over their heads, is a joke. And should all else fail, the Rachni can always be brought to bare against the Krogan. With their aid, the other race could beat down another Krogan rebellion.
Besides, as I said in an earlier post, I can't believe for a second that the Salarians didn't start working on Genophage v3.0 the second they found the cured females. While I do agree the Krogan deserve a second chance, I am not blindly optimistic enough to think that a plan should not be in place should the worst come to pass. And they are demilitarized, so it would take a great deal of time to amass the resources for another rebellion.
I do agree that the Genophage was a horrible thing, but it was in response to the Krogan trying to kill everyone else in the galaxy. They refused to control their own populations. Had they simply placed limits on the number of kids a family could have at any one time, the whole affair could have been avoided. Instead, they invaded territory of other races, effectively stole planets for resources, and attacked anyone who stood in their way. They dropped asteroids on colonies and mercilessly slaughtered the populations of entire planets. All they had to do was control their birth rates and they just wouldn't do it. The Genophage was a horrible punishment, but it is one they earned.
I only Cure the Krogan when three criteria are met. Wrex must be in charge, Bakara (Eve) must survive the creation of the cure, and the Rachni Queen from ME1 must have survived to ME3. If any one of those three are not true for a particular playthrough, I sabotage the cure. Why? Wrex and Bakara know the Krogan as a race cannot breed without constraints as that is what lead to the Krogan expansion and ultimately the creation of the Genophage. They will try to shape the future of the Krogan on a more stable path. Wreav is a war monger and cannot be trust with an unbound Krogan race. Without Bakara, the very idea that Wrex could control the other clans, without the Genophage and possible extinction hanging over their heads, is a joke. And should all else fail, the Rachni can always be brought to bare against the Krogan. With their aid, the other race could beat down another Krogan rebellion.
Besides, as I said in an earlier post, I can't believe for a second that the Salarians didn't start working on Genophage v3.0 the second they found the cured females. While I do agree the Krogan deserve a second chance, I am not blindly optimistic enough to think that a plan should not be in place should the worst come to pass. And they are demilitarized, so it would take a great deal of time to amass the resources for another rebellion.
I do agree that the Genophage was a horrible thing, but it was in response to the Krogan trying to kill everyone else in the galaxy. They refused to control their own populations. Had they simply placed limits on the number of kids a family could have at any one time, the whole affair could have been avoided. Instead, they invaded territory of other races, effectively stole planets for resources, and attacked anyone who stood in their way. They dropped asteroids on colonies and mercilessly slaughtered the populations of entire planets. All they had to do was control their birth rates and they just wouldn't do it. The Genophage was a horrible punishment, but it is one they earned.
I feel like both Quarians and Geth were wrong but if everything was out of self-defense in the Morning War then why kill 99% of the Quarians? Did the Geth assume that they are gonna arm babies and send them out to fight? All Geth know how to fight. Not Quarian babies, children. What about the disabled or the elderly? I don't understand how you can treat Geth as innocent when they have the blood of people who couldn't even fight back or defend themselves on their hands.
anyone wanna hit a pinata with me? Might have some awesome candy inside 
anyone wanna hit a pinata with me? Might have some awesome candy inside
Depends on the definition of "innocent." Making a distinction between soldiers and civilians would not have come naturally to the geth, for the reasons you mention.
I always thought they would have known the distinction and that they simply didn't care. Since they were planned to be tools of war and servants I'm sure they were programmed to tell the difference, the military ones surely knew of some sort of rules of engagement that differentiated between soldiers and ciivilians. I think they killed all the Quarians not because they couldn't tell the difference but because they were beginning to enforce their no Organic isolation.
Still working on it. No candy yet.
That gif sure gets a lot of use.
Still working on it. No candy yet.
That's because its a dead horse.
Nothing good can come from that. Unless its barbecue 
It's not dead!That's because its a dead horse.
Nothing good can come from that. Unless its barbecue
I always thought they would have known the distinction and that they simply didn't care. Since they were planned to be tools of war and servants I'm sure they were programmed to tell the difference, the military ones surely knew of some sort of rules of engagement that differentiated between soldiers and ciivilians. I think they killed all the Quarians not because they couldn't tell the difference but because they were beginning to enforce their no Organic isolation.
The programs are the same regardless of the shell its stuck in.
Because every Java device on the planet is exactly the same...The programs are the same regardless of the shell its stuck in.
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That's because its a dead horse.
Nothing good can come from that. Unless its barbecue
Unsurprising if you shoot the horse yourself and then leave a stick next to it with a label makred "hit here".
Getting back to the actual discussion in this thread:
Where is it stated that the Geth would or wouldn't draw distinction between civilians and soldiers? If you take what happens within the data archive at face value, then they actually seemed more confused and bewildered than anything else, trying to understand why they were being killed. If anything the evidence from the incursions into their station in ME2 sugested to me that they wouldn't fire unless fired upon first ?
Unsurprising if you shoot the horse yourself and then leave a stick next to it with a label makred "hit here".
Getting back to the actual discussion in this thread:
Where is it stated that the Geth would or wouldn't draw distinction between civilians and soldiers? If you take what happens within the data archive at face value, then they actually seemed more confused and bewildered than anything else, trying to understand why they were being killed. If anything the evidence from the incursions into their station in ME2 sugested to me that they wouldn't fire unless fired upon first ?
if i shot the horse why would I just leave it there. that is a waste of a life.
I remember Wreav telling his troops to pay attention to the other races tactics and formations. Saying that they will pay them a visit later. Eve was dead in that playthrough as well. Sabotaging the cure was a good idea in that situation.
He also mentions how surprised that the Salarians are there on Earth.
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