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[Excella Gionne]

Does that mean the fleets that arrive to help take Earth during Priority: Earth doesn't even sum up to as much as the Migrant Fleet?

[SporkFu]

I'm more surprised that Tali's loyalty mission isn't a timed mission like the Turian Bomb and Grissom.

Thank god it's not. Being forced to do x number of missions between plot missions to get a certain endgame result is bad enough already in ME2.  

[Excella Gionne]

Thank god it's not. Being forced to do x number of missions between plot missions to get a certain endgame result is bad enough already in ME2.  

You mean the squadmates dying or not dying? I think I enjoy doing those missions. I get bored once the Collectors are defeated, because I know I have to go to Earth and then confirm. Then the game will ask me if I want to return to Earth, 'cause if I do, the save won't let me do anything else to it anymore, therefore, I have to import.

[DeinonSlayer]

Does that mean the fleets that arrive to help take Earth during Priority: Earth doesn't even sum up to as much as the Migrant Fleet?

More like they handwaved that particular restriction in the name of Rule of Cool.

 

And they didn't need to. Given that the Sol system is only about three days away from Arcturus by FTL, what would make more sense than using the Charon Relay would be having the entire fleet gather in Arcturus and make the flight to Sol via FTL so they can all arrive at the same time.

[SporkFu]

You mean the squadmates dying or not dying? I think I enjoy doing those missions. I get bored once the Collectors are defeated, because I know I have to go to Earth and then confirm. Then the game will ask me if I want to return to Earth, 'cause if I do, the save won't let me do anything else to it anymore, therefore, I have to import.

Kind of. I mean you do so many missions, then you have to do Horizon next... then so many missions then you have to do the Collector ship...  and some recruits are blocked until you do Horizon. Then you're given freedom to do as much or as little as you want. Then you're back on a timer again. The pacing has always kinda bugged me. 

[Excella Gionne]

Kind of. I mean you do so many missions, then you have to do Horizon next... then so many missions then you have to do the Collector ship...  and some recruits are blocked until you do Horizon. Then you're given freedom to do as much or as little as you want. Then you're back on a timer again. The pacing has always kinda bugged me. 

M. Shields couldn't stop ME3 from being a disaster to a degree....

[SporkFu]

M. Shields couldn't stop ME3 from being a disaster to a degree....

Poor Nihlus. He tried. 

[DeinonSlayer]

Kind of. I mean you do so many missions, then you have to do Horizon next... then so many missions then you have to do the Collector ship...  and some recruits are blocked until you do Horizon. Then you're given freedom to do as much or as little as you want. Then you're back on a timer again. The pacing has always kinda bugged me. 

We can thank the consoles for that. Tali, Legion ("There is a high probability of death by gunshot; a punch to the face is also likely"), and I'm pretty sure Samara and Thane all have dialogue recorded for those pre-Horizon missions. If you use Gibbed to add them to your party early, you can access all of it. ME2 was on multiple disks on consoles, though, and the first disk could only hold those missions leading up to Horizon, so they split it up.

 

Still, ME3 is far more linear.

[Excella Gionne]

Poor Nihlus. He tried. 

Nihlus died too quick within the ME trilogy. Joker makes fun BioWare's quality of showing Saren's reaper tech being an obvious point that Saren is indoctrinated....plus Saren was the weirdest Turian out there....

[SporkFu]

We can thank the consoles for that. Tali, Legion ("There is a high probability of death by gunshot; a punch to the face is also likely"), and I'm pretty sure Samara and Thane all have dialogue recorded for those pre-Horizon missions. If you use Gibbed to add them to your party early, you can access all of it. ME2 was on multiple disks on consoles, though, and the first disk could only hold those missions leading up to Horizon, so they split it up.

 

Still, ME3 is far more linear.

Yep I know why it was done that way, it's just too bad when the pacing is forced on the player. Sometimes it has to be, I guess. To a degree. 

[SporkFu]

Nihlus died too quick within the ME trilogy. Joker makes fun BioWare's quality of showing Saren's reaper tech being an obvious point that Saren is indoctrinated....plus Saren was the weirdest Turian out there....

When Nihlus first talks to shep on the Normandy about being considered for spectre-hood, he says Eden Prime would be the first of several missions together. I was really hoping for that. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Not quite, but I see the point you are trying to make. The 'Kill em all' approach doesnt allow for people to escape.

 

 

Haha no. The only smart move the Quarians made in back then was running when they saw no victory possible. Considering they dont get involved in big fights unless it looks like its a sure win, like the Morning War against the newly sentient Geth, or their attempt to retake Rannoch once they got their Gimp Tech perfected, its the only smart thing they really know how to do without someone planting a boot so far up their suited asses that they have to lick the **** off the boot.

 

There comes a point where it becomes an extermination. Allowing less than 1% of the population to escape is not showing mercy. It was indecision. When is enough enough? How many Quarians did they have to exterminate to prove their point? They kept killing and killing. If those quarians had remained on Rannoch there would be no Quarians. The Geth's genocide of the species would have been total. 

 

And in your second paragraph, the only time it is smart to pick a fight is if you know you have a sure win. Look at history.

 

But I see this is typical with Geth lovers. You cannot argue logic with them. They are so invested in the perfection of the Geth and the innocent victim status of the Geth that they cannot possibly see that the Geth were wrong.

[Excella Gionne]

When Nihlus first talks to shep on the Normandy about being considered for spectre-hood, he says Eden Prime would be the first of several missions together. I was really hoping for that. 

Lol, Nihlus as a Squadmate?

[SporkFu]

Lol, Nihlus as a Squadmate?

Something like that, or maybe like a ME3 temp squadmate; there but you have no control. 

[Excella Gionne]

Something like that, or maybe like a ME3 temp squadmate; there but you have no control. 

Nihlus was a plot progression tool...

[SporkFu]

Nihlus was a plot progression tool...

Sigh. I know. But ...but... they could have delayed advancing the plot a little while.

[Excella Gionne]

Sigh. I know. But ...but... they could have delayed advancing the plot a little while.

ME1 just kinda jumps into the action Those Geth Drones were OP'd for a beginner player.......

[SporkFu]

ME1 just kinda jumps into the action Those Geth Drones were OP'd for a beginner player.......

LOL no kidding, I remember still trying to figure out the hud and saying," You killed Jenkins! You bastards!" 

[Sentinel Defender]

There comes a point where it becomes an extermination. Allowing less than 1% of the population to escape is not showing mercy. It was indecision. When is enough enough? How many Quarians did they have to exterminate to prove their point? They kept killing and killing. If those quarians had remained on Rannoch there would be no Quarians. The Geth's genocide of the species would have been total. 

 

And in your second paragraph, the only time it is smart to pick a fight is if you know you have a sure win. Look at history.

 

But I see this is typical with Geth lovers. You cannot argue logic with them. They are so invested in the perfection of the Geth and the innocent victim status of the Geth that they cannot possibly see that the Geth were wrong.

 

I never understood how the Geth supporters believe letting 1% of the population retreat is merciful. The Geth let them go because they deemed that the Quarians were no longer a threat. It wasn't out of kindness or pity as many of them claim. The majority of Geth supporters I've seen just believe that the Geth are the incarnation of innocence while stating that the Quarians are pretty much devils in suits. It's funny though how their affection for the Geth ends up punishing them in the end. I wonder how many Geth supporters picked destroy? I remember destroy being the most popular choice in the polls. 

 

I don't think the Quarians are completely innocent. I believe that deciding to shut down the Geth before they knew the full situation regarding their intelligence was an ignorant decision but they paid the price for it by having most of their race wiped out and living as vagrants for the past 300yrs. Its funny how though people say that the Quarians should have asked the Geth for their worlds but they don't realize the Geth were still isolationists by the time of the reaper war and no one had any evidence that the Geth would just let the Quarians back. 

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Who's better to have as a squadmate than Nihlus? Why, Nihilus

Anyway, it's absolutely ridiculous to think that you could move 50,000 ships through such a small area. And,it would be pointless. 

[Ryriena]

I have never said they let them go out out of kindness. I have said they let them leave because of the fact they weren't a threat.

[Barquiel]

I do always wonder why the Tuchunka arc isn't any where near as contentious as Rannoch.

Same here. Rannoch even has a "perfect" outcome. The genophage for me was the hardest choice throughout all three of the games. I think "Wrex alive/Eve dead" is probably the hardest scenario (even though I haven't importated such a playthrough yet). I would assume that Wrex would be forced to give in to the demands of the other Krogan clans, but I don't know if I could kill him and Mordin. But even if both Wrex and Eve are alive...they are not immortal. We know Wrex is very old.

As for the original question...I sided with the geth twice, cured the genophage in my Wrex playthrough and sabotaged it in my Wreav playthrough.

[Sentinel Defender]

I have never said they let them go out out of kindness. I have said they let them leave because of the fact they weren't a threat.

 

Not you in particular. I mean't that seen I have seen arguments that say that the Geth let the Quarians go out of mercy just because they saw a hologram. If I remember correctly Legion states that the they let them go because they were no longer threats. I actually had someone say to me that uploading the code is justified because it was "paragon" decision which it actually isn't. Just so many facepalm worthy arguments that portray the Geth as innocent little wall-e bots. 

 

Honestly this topic has been talked about enough and I no longer feel that it worth my time to add to it. If the Geth supporters want to disintegrate themselves to save their precious flashlight heads let them or they can prove themselves to be hypocrites and choose destroy. In my opinion saving the Geth is something that is more punishing than rewarding and is the morally wrong choice to me.  

[shodiswe]

There comes a point where it becomes an extermination. Allowing less than 1% of the population to escape is not showing mercy. It was indecision. When is enough enough? How many Quarians did they have to exterminate to prove their point? They kept killing and killing. If those quarians had remained on Rannoch there would be no Quarians. The Geth's genocide of the species would have been total. 
 
And in your second paragraph, the only time it is smart to pick a fight is if you know you have a sure win. Look at history.
 
But I see this is typical with Geth lovers. You cannot argue logic with them. They are so invested in the perfection of the Geth and the innocent victim status of the Geth that they cannot possibly see that the Geth were wrong.

So, you want to say that the Geth failed to prove that they were better people than their creators that wanted to enact a 100% extermination of the Geth? Therefor they are bad people because they ended up being almost as bad as the people who created them and taught them the "true" value of other peoples lives?

So, the Quarians are better because they have stuck to that belief of the merits of a 100% purge for the past 300 years.

Nevermind that it's always the Quarians that are drinving the action forward, always the Quarians that are intrudusing new more gruesome methods to accomplish their goals. While the Geth are passively reacting to outside violence and assaults.

[DeinonSlayer]

Though I seriously question the value of discussing the topic with you, Shodiswe, one thing needs to be acknowledged. "The Quarians" are not a singularity, not then and not now. Unlike Geth, they do not reach consensus and act as a single body. So when you go on and on about "the Quarians" wanting to enact a total extinction on the Geth, you're talking about a faction which had both the means and the desire to make the attempt.

We don't even know if they had a single unified government back then. We know what their government looks like on the Fleet, but it tells us nothing of their structure pre-war; all we know is that their "clans" pre-dated the war (comparable to nation-states?). All we can go on is headcanon.

Think if something localized like Tiannenman Square had erupted into something which rapidly roped in other nations where 99% of the human race was ultimately killed off, or some UN resolution which next to nobody has any say in or normally pays any attention to doing the same.



EDIT: Something else I just thought of - the "inspirational" moment when the agricultural unit picked up his sniper rifle to take the "first" shot? The Geth units they were protecting would have been networked to that unit and contributed the brainpower to make the decision and take that action in the first place. Unnetworked, that same unit would have been non-sentient. It wasn't standing on its own; it was the hardware that the local consensus could use to that end.