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[Ryriena]

In the genophage thread, their is a debate going on rather the Salarian's should get in trouble for withholding fleets during a war. I'm wondering what you think should be the ramifications for such thing. If any should be taken at all.

I'm thinking an trade embargo should be the solution to this as they willing let their bigoted beliefs get in the way of aiding in a war.

[Barquiel]

Well, the salarians are remarkably absent in the epilogue. The reconstruction of the mass relays if you chose the destroy ending, the new citadel fleet...we only see asari, turians and humans working together to "restore what we lost".

I really doubt humans or asari will go around pointing fingers over issues that came to light over the war. But I can see the salarians isolating themselves from the rest of the galaxy after the war or maybe a civil war on Sur'kesh...or Bioware simply didn't want to create a salarian ship model

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Like I said in the the Genophage thread. The Salarians are in a lose-lose position in the war once they begin giving their token support. Sabotaging the Genophage nets you the First Fleet, which is pretty much a bunch of ship with Normandy Stealth Systems. Now I'm pretty sure this wasnt handed out ever, so the Turians and Alliance have a legitimate gripe to deal with since espionage against your own allies never ends well, and the tech was more or less stolen. I do not see the Salarians walking away from this in any sort of good condition.

 

Linron herself would probably be in trouble since she was advocating sabotaging the war effort to try get what she wanted. This is more than likely going to ensure that she will not remain in power for long after the Reaper War as STG is unlikely to support her, meaning whoever does get STG support will be in a strong position to assume power. Ignoring that, it would be likely to provoke other responses from the Galaxy at large that would hurt Sur'kesh as a whole.

 

Then there is the support you get for saving the Salarian Councilor. One fleet and scientific support. The latter is never a bad thing as if that is the minimum you get from any other supporting race, then its still a grand benefit. One fleet though... Well the Salarians shouldnt have even bothered if they were going to give next to nothing. This is where the actual accusation of the Salarians not willingly aiding in the war effort really comes from. Oddly enough, this is the least of the overall sleights shown and the least likely to get any retribution aimed towards them. Nothing overtly criminal is involved here, and the worse that anyone could do is just have less to do with the Salarians.

 

As for the Asari, fairly sure that they will get away with hiding Prothean tech if only cause their world got razed for their stupidity in that regard and that any punishment in regards to breaking those laws would only serve to hinder their attempts to rebuild and only create more strife when its not needed.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

After the war, there is absolutely no way whatsoever the Salarians get any blowback. They are the only race that has an intact homeworld. They have the only functioning economy and complete navy. 

Who's going to punish them? The Alliance? Earth is destroyed and their fleets are almost non-existent. The Asari? Same goes for them, except with Thessia instead of Earth. The Turians? Same goes for them, except with Palaven instead of Earth. 

The Galaxy will need the Salarians' industrial base, ships, and resources. The Salarians should become the new rulers. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I completely agree with and support the Salarians beliefs about the Krogan.

 

I inerrantly believe they were incredibly stupid and short-sighted to withhold their support based on disgust with the Krogan. The Dalatrass let her hate of the Krogan overshadow the threat of the Reapers. Even though I believe curing the Genophage is going to bite me in the ass (and I plan on re-releasing it later post-war), I cured it because I needed the Krogan for the fight. 

 

The Salarians were being stupid and selfish, especially the leadership. That said, I did manage to get some support from them. They sent me a fleet as a thank-you for their councilor, and they sent me Kirrahe and an STG task force with him.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

After the war, there is absolutely no way whatsoever the Salarians get any blowback. They are the only race that has an intact homeworld. They have the only functioning economy and complete navy. 

Who's going to punish them? The Alliance? Earth is destroyed and their fleets are almost non-existent. The Asari? Same goes for them, except with Thessia instead of Earth. The Turians? Same goes for them, except with Palaven instead of Earth. 

The Galaxy will need the Salarians' industrial base, ships, and resources. The Salarians should become the new rulers. 

 

Too bad that they dont do stand up fights and even a damaged Turian and Alliance fleet could deal with the Salarians and the criminal acts they get caught red handed in. If they tried to take singular power, they'd be crushed in an instant by the rest of the galaxy banding together and turning on them.

[Deathsaurer]

There is no reason to do anything to the Salarian Union. The military didn't agree with Linron and promised support via back channels. Linron is the problem and the Salarian Union can deal with her themselves. No point in hating on an entire species because of a single person. Especially when that person wasn't very popular because of what they were doing that made you mad. If anything you should support the person the STG wants to replace her.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

There is no reason to do anything to the Salarian Union. The military didn't agree with Linron and promised support via back channels. Linron is the problem and the Salarian Union can deal with her themselves. No point in hating on an entire species because of a single person. Especially when that person wasn't very popular because of what they were doing that made you mad. If anything you should support the person the STG wants to replace her.

 

That one person was willing to make a deal that effectively destroys the Turian-Krogan Alliance, solely because SHE was against the alliance in the first place.

 

If you do take that offer you find out the Salarians have STOLEN technology. That does not go over well in real life. It certainly wont go over there as well. The Salarian Union will be punished heavily for stealing tech that was top secret and NOT made available to the other races to start with. If it comes out that Linron was involved in that, then she effectively is good as dead if not from a coup with STG killing her to clean house, then because the other races will want her head on a platter for what amounts to treasonous behavior towards other Citadel and civilized races.

[Deathsaurer]

The Quarians also "stole" the stealth technology. Also Cerberus. Clearly someone in either the Turian Hierarchy or Alliance isn't as tight lipped as they should be.

[Ryriena]

My family comes before anything else and to my Shepard's THE KROGAN ran by Wrex are my family. Wreve not so much...


She will be a wanted woman to me and half of citdeal space, after, I'm through with her.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

The Quarians also "stole" the stealth technology. Also Cerberus. Clearly someone in either the Turian Hierarchy or Alliance isn't as tight lipped as they should be.

 

I'm sure-ish that Tali had something to do with that, and could be excused seeing as that particular ship was a possible one off.

 

Cerberus clearly stole the plans themselves and were getting destroyed anally by anyone that caught them.

[Deathsaurer]

Well the devs insist it wasn't Tali so...

[Kabooooom]

I'm sure-ish that Tali had something to do with that, and could be excused seeing as that particular ship was a possible one off.

Cerberus clearly stole the plans themselves and were getting destroyed anally by anyone that caught them.

Cerberus didn't steal the plans. They were given them by the Alliance and the Turians. The Normandy SR-1 was built by the Cord-Hislop Aerospace corporation, which is the primary Cerberus front company. That's how they had the plans to build the SR-2, and also how they had the infrastructure to build it. Cerberus had been a part of the Normandy from the start.

But yeah, the Quarians and the Salarians must have stolen the plans.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Well the devs insist it wasn't Tali so...

 

And yet she's the only Quarian ever on either version of the Normandy prior to ME3. They otherwise do not have the means to get said plans without engaging in acts more criminal than turning almost every ship in the flotilla into a Dreadnaught.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Cerberus didn't steal the plans. They were given them by the Alliance and the Turians. The Normandy SR-1 was built by the Cord-Hislop Aerospace corporation, which is the primary Cerberus front company. That's how they had the plans to build the SR-2, and also how they had the infrastructure to build it. Cerberus had been a part of the Normandy from the start.

But yeah, the Quarians and the Salarians must have stolen the plans.

 

I call that stealing as I am pretty sure there were agreements made to keep anything classified to themselves and not to be disseminated in any form. 

[Kabooooom]

I call that stealing as I am pretty sure there were agreements made to keep anything classified to themselves and not to be disseminated in any form.

But they were essentially Cerberus. TIM owns the Cord-Hislop Aerospace company. It'd be like if the owner of Boeing used plans from a secret government contract, which were given to him, to build a kickass high-tech private jet for his own personal use. Moral? Nope. Sneaky? Yup. Treasonous? Hell yeah. But it's not like he actively took the plans with espionage like the Quarians and Salarians probably did.

But I see your point. Depends on one's definition of thievery.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

But they were essentially Cerberus. TIM owns the Cord-Hislop Aerospace company. It'd be like if the owner of Boeing used plans from a secret government contract, which were given to him, to build a kickass high-tech private jet for his own personal use. Moral? Nope. Sneaky? Yup. Treasonous? Hell yeah. But it's not like he actively took the plans with espionage like the Quarians and Salarians probably did.

But I see your point. Depends on one's definition of thievery.

 

If the owner of Boeing made a private jet based off plans for classified military tech, he'd be in prison quickly. The same would most likely happen to those that worked under him as well on the project as such agreements would likely be binding to any employee involved with the project.

[Kabooooom]

If the owner of Boeing made a private jet based off plans for classified military tech, he'd be in prison quickly. The same would most likely happen to those that worked under him as well on the project as such agreements would likely be binding to any employee involved with the project.

Oh, absolutely. The only reason why TIM isn't in prison or dead is because space is really, really damn big. Like really damn big. Like super super damn big.

Also his space station can apparently move, which is a plus.

[Farangbaa]

The Salarians don't fight wars, the finish them before they even start.

 

These people have no place in the Reaper war, and they know it.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

The Salarians don't fight wars, the finish them before they even start.

 

These people have no place in the Reaper war, and they know it.

 

Which for the most part is why they are not taking part in it since they are infinitely out of their depth as Udina puts it. What they do give, is token support at best, and exposes traitorous behavior, or attempts to keep the worst of their behavior under wraps.

[ZerebusPrime]

I had the impression that the Salarians are obsessed with muti-tiered contingency plans.  They're focused strictly on the long game and maintaining their galactic relevance.  That's why the dalatrass reacted so strongly to the genophage cure.  The Krogan are a menace and a direct threat to future Salarian security.  In the meantime, they also have to know that the Reapers have taken so much territory across the galaxy that it's going to be impossible for the Reapers to attack Sur'Kesh properly without first spending time processing populations and repairing ships.  That's time the Salarians can use to implement plans A0001 through Z9999, everything from their own crucible in miniature to cryo-freezing hidden populations to burying memory cubes to implementing a mass effect relay virus with xcode and raising a Yahg shock trooper force to keep the Reapers busy.  And good grief, if they can clone an army of Kakliosaurs and grow them to maturity that fast then they can easily raise a Saren-style tank-bred Krogan army just as quickly.

 

Something to remember about all those Salarians ships with Reaper IFF's and stealth systems: they're very very good at hiding.  The Salarians could be all over the galaxy evading Reaper detection.

[Excella Gionne]

Salarians taste better when they're scared. The fear adds...spice. I think that's how much they contribute....

[ZerebusPrime]

As a side note, a lot of people miss the irony in Javik's statements about Salarians.  Javik's people used to eat Salarians.  The Salarians, in turn, would eat flies.  Then Javik's people, the Protheans, became the Collectors.  The Collectors are flies.  See?  The tables are turned!

[Excella Gionne]

The Salarians asset is the smallest out of any of the categories of assets I have.

[DeinonSlayer]

I call that stealing as I am pretty sure there were agreements made to keep anything classified to themselves and not to be disseminated in any form.

Tell me, did you turn up your nose at the Thanix Cannon upgrade in ME2? If not, then this indignation is hypocritical.