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[Ryriena]

I tend to agree that racism hurts humanity as a whole. I see no reason why an organization like Cerbuse would be involved with Terra Firma, if they weren't racist to being with as their are plenty of political parties that would allow them to advance humanity as a whole. It's like a supposed democrat donating to republicans, why would they donate unless they believed in them in the first place.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Yup. Although, their political machinations there were seemingly more to forward their own goals rather than a racist agenda. Supporting racism does nothing to make humanity stronger. In fact, it hurts it. It is no small wonder though that people associated Cerberus and racism because of stuff like that.

 

Terra Firma was just a political party that was effectively sharing the same views that Cerberus did for the most part. The blame for the racist image being what most people saw in them is mostly the party's fault.

 

I tend to agree that racism hurts humanity as a whole. I see no reason why an organization like Cerbuse would be involved with Terra Firma, if they weren't racist to being with as their are plenty of political parties that would allow them to advance humanity as a whole. It's like a supposed democrat donating to republicans, why would they donate unless they believed in them in the first place.

 

Well TF wasnt actually racist. Strongly pro-human, but not inherently racist by default. That sort of image comes about when you have a poor speaker like Saracino as a mouthpiece.

[Massa FX]

Frak this is a hard question!

 

N7 because I don't want TIM to implant me with Reaper tech if I work for him. And I don't like the idea that TIM is insane.  If Cerberus wasn't so corrupt, I'd join and not look back. Ever.

[KaiserShep]

Cerberus was always a corrupt organization, but like a disposable utensil, they were useful for a time.

[Massa FX]

Yep KaiserShep.

 

I wonder if new leadership in Cerberus arises post ME3. If so, I'd be happy to be an operative if they are sane. Humanity will need its STG type group operating especially once the Citadel station and Relays are repaired. If Cerberus has it's priorities straight and sane leadership, I'd join.

[wolfhowwl]

Cerberus being colossal fuckups was one of the few things that stayed constant so I will pass on them.

[AlanC9]

Not to make this political, but man, am I miles away from this: It's my belief that when people are given freedom, liberty, and power of their own, they will always misuse it. I believe in a strong, centralized government and a clear, hierarchical class/distinction between people. Of course, at the very least I believe in a heavily centralized polity/republic, but lean mostly more towards an aristocracy or guardianship as Plato defined it, to increasingly more to the point where I believe all the power should be centralized into one genius capable of ruling effectively and however he sees fit.

 

Did anyone else notice how turian this sounds?

[Nuclear]

N7. I've always had a preference for military organisations, I like their ethics and the training and equipment would be good.

[Han Shot First]

N7.

 

The only involvement I'd want with Cerberus is an opportunity to ventilate their craniums. The only good terrorist is a dead one.

[KaiserShep]

Plus, their logo is better. Cerberus' icon could be used on the grill of a truck.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Cerberus has a great logo if you ask me.

[Fixers0]

Too bad Binary Helix didn't sue Cerberus over copying their logo, though that would be like Microsoft suing ISIS for some copyright nonsense.

[KaiserShep]

Cerberus has a great logo if you ask me.

It seems weird that they'd have a logo at all.

[Barquiel]

They certainly plaster their logo everywhere. But the Cerberus logo is actually an emblem for Cord-Hislop Aerospace, iirc.

[andy6915]

They certainly plaster their logo everywhere. But the Cerberus logo is actually an emblem for Cord-Hislop Aerospace, iirc.

Indeed they do. I think it was a management or intentional change in Cerberus between the first and second game, seeing as you don't see that logo anywhere in the Cerberus bases you raid in ME1 and yet it's everywhere onward. Also the fact that Shepard would automatically know s/he was in a Cerberus facility right after waking up if the logo had been canonically used in the ME1 Cerberus bases because Shepard would remember it being Cerberus related.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Too bad Binary Helix didn't sue Cerberus over copying their logo, though that would be like Microsoft suing ISIS for some copyright nonsense.

 

It'd be really hard to sue them, considering they aren't a recognized corporate or state organization.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Indeed they do. I think it was a management or intentional change in Cerberus between the first and second game, seeing as you don't see that logo anywhere in the Cerberus bases you raid in ME1 and yet it's everywhere onward. Also the fact that Shepard would automatically know s/he was in a Cerberus facility right after waking up if the logo had been canonically used in the ME1 Cerberus bases because Shepard would remember it being Cerberus related.

 

Shepard didn't know what the logo stood for until Jacob told him that they were on a Cerberus facility.

[Fixers0]

It'd be really hard to sue them, considering they aren't a recognized corporate or state organization.

 

Agreed, which is why I compared it to Microsoft sueing ISIS.

[andy6915]

Shepard didn't know what the logo stood for until Jacob told him that they were on a Cerberus facility.

You don't get it. If that logo had been all over the Cerberus bases in ME1, Shepard would definitely have made the connection. When you're entering a base for a specific organization and you see an unfamiliar logo plastered everywhere, you're going to assume it's the logo for that organization. But instead Shepard doesn't at all connect the logos all over the Lazarus facility to the organization he encountered on the Saren hunt. That means that logo was either relatively new for Cerberus or that they just started getting more open about using it and beforehand the logo was not used in most Cerberus locations because they were being more secretive back then.

 

So the reason Shepard didn't know what the logo meant was because Cerberus didn't plaster it everywhere back then and it was a recent change in policy for them.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

You don't get it. If that logo had been all over the Cerberus bases in ME1, Shepard would definitely have made the connection. When you're entering a base for a specific organization and you see an unfamiliar logo plastered everywhere, you're going to assume it's the logo for that organization. But instead Shepard doesn't at all connect the logos all over the Lazarus facility to the organization he encountered on the Saren hunt. That means that logo was either relatively new for Cerberus or that they just started getting more open about using it and beforehand the logo was not used in most Cerberus locations because they were being more secretive back then.

 

So the reason Shepard didn't know what the logo meant was because Cerberus didn't plaster it everywhere back then and it was a recent change in policy for them.

 

I get it perfectly. The reason Shepard didn't know what it meant was because Cerberus was a tangential organization involved with secondary side-plot and not defined enough to have a logo or impact on the plot proper. 

 

Otherwise, Shepard didn't know what the logo was, hence having Jacob tell him what it stood for. 

 

The power of the retcon.

[andy6915]

I'm saying we don't know that it truly was a retcon. Cerberus in-universe might have decided to come up with a logo after ME1 to become a bit more significant to the galaxy, a way of getting their name and image out there to help with recruitment and gaining more financial donors.

[Fixers0]

I'm saying we don't know that it truly was a retcon. Cerberus in-universe might have decided to come up with a logo after ME1 to become a bit more significant to the galaxy, a way of getting their name and image out there to help with recruitment and gaining more financial donors.

 

Literary-wise any change or addition to established information in a narrative is a retcon, Cerberus being a completely different organisation in Mass effect 2 is the very definition of one. Especially when your realize that after completing their series of sidequest in ME1 they were effectively wiped out.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I'm saying we don't know that it truly was a retcon. Cerberus in-universe might have decided to come up with a logo after ME1 to become a bit more significant to the galaxy, a way of getting their name and image out there to help with recruitment and gaining more financial donors.

 

Which would be the exact opposite in the interest of their organization. They prefer to keep themselves out of the limelight, though not entirely hidden from view. I believe they took refuge in audacity with their logo, relying on the fact that most people had no idea what it was or what it stood for. 

 

It's certainly not new. Jack recognizes it on Purgatory, and she was essentially raised by Cerberus in the 2160's. There, that breaks your point.

[KaiserShep]

Especially when your realize that after completing their series of sidequest in ME1 they were effectively wiped out.

Or were they... [cue dramatic score]