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[Ryriena]

I would go with the N7 program as the training would be cool too me at least possible be a biotic as well .

[Farangbaa]

I may have been one of the few people who never had a problem with Cerberus' presentation in ME3, probably because I paid attention to the novels, comics, and such.

In ME1 they are presented as being a splinter group, but in reality TIM had been building the organization for 30 years. They already had massive funding from the private sector from the Cord-Hislop corporation, as well as other unnamed shell or front corporations that were "highly influential in colonial affairs". Personally, subtle hints made me always suspect that Exo-geni was one of them, but that's neither here nor there. Point is - they were crazy well funded and in control of massive infrastructure, including shipyards. They had military and research divisions, and a political divisions with spies in the highest reaches of Alliance government.

But you only see a small portion of Cerberus in ME1 - some secret bases, experiments gone awry, occasional agents, etc.

Again, in ME2 you only see an extremely small part of Cerberus - pretty much exactly what TIM wants you to see. But the degree of their power and funding is still obvious. He makes you think the Lazarus Project and the SR-2 construction set him back substantially. Not so. It was expensive, yeah, but the dude is one of the most wealthy individuals in the galaxy.

In preparation for the Reaper invasion, Cerberus had (a) Reaper tech, and were full-speed ahead with their research efforts and implanting them in their troops; and (b ) *most importantly* starship manufacturing facilities since their primary front company is not only a starship manufacturer, but THE leading starship manufacturer in Alliance space. They are like the 22nd century equivalent of Boeing. The government even trusted them enough to contract them to build the Normandy SR-1 for Christsakes. How about them apples. Bet the alliance brass felt pretty stupid when they found that one out. So it is not hard at all to see how Cerberus could have built up their fleet rapidly or in secret over many years.

But if all you consider is what is shown of Cerberus in the games, then yeah it makes little sense at all.

 

I laughed so hard at the bolded, oh man.

[Massa FX]

N7 if it didn't have to deal with the stupidity of Alliance brass. I don't like the Alliance.

 

Cerberus has too many crazy people in it. I have no confidence in the organization, although I think a legitimate pro humanity group is needed in the galaxy... just not one that thinks its ok to do human experiments, murder innocents, and put Reaper tech into its troops.

 

Spectres, if the council got their heads out of their collective arses. I don't like the council.

 

 

Heck.... I'm not in favor of any organization. They all suck.

[zestalyn]

N7 duh. despite the bureaucratic bs, its got the resources and good people. 

Why would anyone choose Cerberus. IMO this look aint cute 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

N7 duh. despite the bureaucratic bs, its got the resources and good people. 

Why would anyone choose Cerberus. IMO this look aint cute
 

 

I'd choose it any day. An army of ultra-loyal, well-trained, and obedient soldiers who will do whatever I tell them too? Sounds perfect to me.

 

'Good' is one of the most subjective words in the English Language after all. 

[General TSAR]

Cerberus (pre-BioWare writing strike ).

 

Get results, vanguard of humanity, and who doesn't love impractical sexy cartwheels?

[DeinonSlayer]

I'd choose it any day. An army of ultra-loyal, well-trained, and obedient soldiers who will do whatever I tell them too? Sounds perfect to me.
 
'Good' is one of the most subjective words in the English Language after all.

If we're to believe what we hear about Benning, Cerberus isn't 100% in control of its own troops. Seems like Reaper indoctrination took over there.

[General TSAR]

N7 duh. despite the bureaucratic bs, its got the resources and good people. 

Why would anyone choose Cerberus. IMO this look aint cute 

Since when does "cute" win battles? Besides this Centurion can wipe the floor with the average Alliance Marine.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

N7 if it didn't have to deal with the stupidity of Alliance brass. I don't like the Alliance.

 

Cerberus has too many crazy people in it. I have no confidence in the organization, although I think a legitimate pro humanity group is needed in the galaxy... just not one that thinks its ok to do human experiments, murder innocents, and put Reaper tech into its troops.

 

Spectres, if the council got their heads out of their collective arses. I don't like the council.

 

 

Heck.... I'm not in favor of any organization. They all suck.

 

Eh, the crazy people can be controlled. I do think it's ok to do all of the above. If it works, why not do it? As long as I'm not full of Reaper tech and the soldiers are absolutely loyal to me, I'd have every military unit augmented with Reaper tech; The only downside is a possible lack of tactical creativity and initiative. 

 

For Science! is underrated. If the innocents are doing nothing to help your cause, there's no purpose to keeping them.

[DeinonSlayer]

Since when does "cute" win battles?

It certainly doesn't work for the Asari.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

If we're to believe what we hear about Benning, Cerberus isn't 100% in control of its own troops. Seems like Reaper indoctrination took over there.

 

We have no context on that situation. We don't know what's happening or why. It was an abandoned plot thread. I'm going to hesitate calling it Reaper Indoctrination.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

It certainly doesn't work for the Asari.

 

That's my argument for saving innocents. Since when do innocent people that you save win a battle for you after you expended your military to save them? 

[DeinonSlayer]

That's my argument for saving innocents. Since when do innocent people that you save win a battle for you?

As I see it, they have a job to do post-war. If we can't find a spot for them on a farm, in a factory, or on the front, directly serving the war effort in some capacity (diminishing returns and all that), it's their job to stay out of the way of military operations and not draw on our resources (looking at all those people in the Citadel docks here, sitting around expecting food to be shovelled at them without contributing). If they can be self-sufficient, excellent - more survivors to rebuild after the war. If not, sorry - we can't afford to help them. Time the Reapers may spend harvesting them on one world buys time for the next. Target the processing ships and troop carriers before they can deploy on the next world, and any gains the Reapers made by taking the time to harvest the last one get set back to zero.

[zestalyn]

Since when does "cute" win battles? Besides this Centurion can wipe the floor with the average Alliance Marine.

lol winning battles? tell that to the piles of dead Cerberus bodies that a team of 3 under a single Alliance Spectre leaves behind on a daily basis  

And what are you talking about? I remember this centurion from that mission. Well not really, they all seemed the same and were all easily picked off like fruit flies. poor kids got fancy tech shoved up their sorry butts but their inferior training and morale and everything else never stood a chance. 

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

I'd take being in the STG over either of them. They actually get stuff done. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

lol winning battles? tell that to the piles of dead Cerberus bodies that a team of 3 under a single Alliance Spectre leaves behind on a daily basis  

And what are you talking about? I remember this centurion from that mission. Well not really, they all seemed the same and were all easily picked off like fruit flies. poor kids got fancy tech shoved up their sorry butts but their inferior training and morale and everything else never stood a chance. 

 

I call it gameplay/narrative separation. Plus, in their defense, they are facing Shepard, a former-N7 Operator/Spectre/Cerberus Agent himself, and (IMO here) the most dangerous non-Reaper being in galactic history. 

 

'alliance Spectre'? That's pretty bad.

[Kurt M.]

N7. No Cerberus' elitist and fancy equipment that does all the job, or implants inside your brain. Just pure, old-fashioned hard training

[DeinonSlayer]

lol winning battles? tell that to the piles of dead Cerberus bodies that a team of 3 under a single Alliance Spectre leaves behind on a daily basis  
And what are you talking about? I remember this centurion from that mission. Well not really, they all seemed the same and were all easily picked off like fruit flies. poor kids got fancy tech shoved up their sorry butts but their inferior training and morale and everything else never stood a chance.

Biggest problem seems to be that Cerberus drones lack individual initiative and intellect. Much less effective when everything depends on one guy micromanaging at the top. Gotta wonder if there's someone directing them about like mooks in an RTS.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

As I see it, they have a job to do post-war. If we can't find a spot for them on a farm, in a factory, or on the front, directly serving the war effort in some capacity (diminishing returns and all that), it's their job to stay out of the way of military operations and not draw on our resources (looking at all those people in the Citadel docks here, sitting around expecting food to be shovelled at them without contributing). If they can be self-sufficient, excellent - more survivors to rebuild after the war. If not, sorry - we can't afford to help them. Time the Reapers may spend harvesting them on one world buys time for the next. Target the processing ships and troop carriers before they can deploy on the next world, and any gains the Reapers made by taking the time to harvest the last one get set back to zero.

 

Eh, I still say just taking them completely out is the better option. Any resources they have is a resource we don't have, whether we gave it to them or not. And how many times do you think targeting the Processor ships and troop carriers will work? I say it might work for, at most, 2 to 3 planets before the Reapers get smart and leave them better defended.

[wolfhowwl]

Funny thing about whole Cerberus, was that little terrorist splinter group has changed in 3 years to one of the most powerful force in galaxy, with best spies, with better sources then SPECTERs or Salarian STG or Shadowbroker.

 

Apparently that is what happens when you have someone that is too attached to their creation and they get appointed lead writer of the franchise.

[zestalyn]

I call it gameplay/narrative separation. Plus, in their defense, they are facing Shepard, a former-N7 Operator/Spectre/Cerberus Agent himself, and (IMO here) the most dangerous non-Reaper being in galactic history. 

 

oo right thats the other thing. N7 breeds people like Shepard. 

What does Cerberus breed that is both decent and hasn't decided to ditch them? Well if you count Mister Handsome Centurion, ok each to their own then    

[MassivelyEffective0730]

N7. No Cerberus' elitist and fancy equipment that does all the job, or implants inside your brain. Just pure, old-fashioned hard training

 

As a guy who's had both, I'll say the elite and fancy equipment trumps hard work and training every day of the week. 

 

One 2nd Lieutenant, an F-22 Driver who was 3 months out of Flight School, roflstomped a flight of 4 F-16's in a Force-on-force exercise. All were piloted by veteran instructors.

[Kurt M.]

oo right thats the other thing. N7 breeds people like Shepard. 

What does Cerberus breed that is both decent and hasn't decided to ditch them? Well if you count Mister Handsome Centurion, ok each to their own then    

 

Even more, Shepard AND Kai Leng. Unfortunately that bastard is (or was) an N7, too, before joining Cerberus.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

oo right thats the other thing. N7 breeds people like Shepard. 

What does Cerberus breed that is both decent and hasn't decided to ditch them? Well if you count Mister Handsome Centurion, ok each to their own then    

 

My Shepard came alive under Cerberus. He considers what he got from them more valuable than anything he got from the alliance or the Spectre's. Plus, he's got the mentality that suits Cerberus well. You can't teach the kind of mentality he has. That's something you're inborn with.

[KaiserShep]

I'd take being in the STG over either of them. They actually get stuff done. 

 

Really, something like them would be preferable. Cerberus is too stupid to live in the end, and the Alliance is just incredibly lucky.