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[Pirate Queen Isabela]

I like you.

 

 

 

Sadly Cerberus was never "morally grey"  They tried to make them that in ME2.  And That would have been cool if they pulled it off (I'd hoped TIM would come off more as The Operative in Serenity) but their whole "kinder, gentler Cerberus was so dissonant from their ME1 version I  spent the whole game convinced it was some kind of front.

 

And in ME3 Bioware decided to run with that, ti seems.

 

I don't think even Bioware knows what Cerberus is meant to be. I always regarded them as morally gray, Bioware just goes:

 

>evil bad guys

>wait okay kinda okay because Shepard is with them 

>cool shepard is gone, make them evil

 

I feel like Bioware shouldn't be writing Cerberus and changing them just because of Shepard's involvement or lack of thereof. Lazy writing + retconning. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Probably shouldn't wipe out entire platoons of Alliance trooops and murder admirals if they want to stay out of the public eye

 

I also think back to Garrus' line:

 

"If the people I'm sworn to protect can't trust me, then I don't deserve to be the one protecting them"

 

Well, they never really did fall into the public eye. That said, they have to test their tech somehow. Said Admiral shouldn't have gotten involved. That's his fault.

 

Good thing the people who I protect trust me then. Otherwise, I'd say they weren't worth protecting.

[DeinonSlayer]

Probably shouldn't wipe out entire platoons of Alliance trooops and murder admirals if they want to stay out of the public eye

I also think back to Garrus' line:

"If the people I'm sworn to protect can't trust me, then I don't deserve to be the one protecting them"

That's just it, though. His Shepard's goal isn't to protect them. It's to 1) stop the Reapers and 2) shape the galaxy as he sees fit in the process, laying the framework for his post-war power base.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Massive. You've said words to this effect in the past.

[Iakus]

That's just it, though. His Shepard's goal isn't to protect them. It's to 1) stop the Reapers and 2) shape the galaxy as he sees fit in the process, laying the framework for his post-war power base.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Massive. You've said words to this effect in the past.

Yeah.  Of course my goal was to 1) stop the Reapers and 2) Let the galaxy shape itself, and stand or fall based on their own fool decisions.  Me, I'm retired.

 

[jtav]

I think my goals are/were closer to Massively's. I don't think the galaxy is capable of ruling itself or has any particular right to do so.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

That's just it, though. His Shepard's goal isn't to protect them. It's to 1) stop the Reapers and 2) shape the galaxy as he sees fit in the process, laying the framework for his post-war power base.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Massive. You've said words to this effect in the past.

 

Yep. I should also say that the people I kill aren't in the plan for the future. Any 'negative' decision I make will typically have some kind of justification in the coming future.

 

My goal is to make the galaxy into what I want it to be. And to completely honest, getting there is going to be an absolute nightmare to anyone that isn't me, but actually arriving, you'd find it's pretty nice of an outcome.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I think my goals are/were closer to Massively's. I don't think the galaxy is capable of ruling itself or has any particular right to do so.

 

Indeed.

 

I think the concepts of 'free will' and 'inalienable rights' of beings are a farcical ideal. 

[Ryriena]

I'm a renegade player myself but sometimes I do see the need to avoid going bonkers on people. She's an ******* but at least she can be kind to children and has a bad habit of not going in things gun a blazing. She is an anti hero like Garrus.

[jtav]

I don't think they're farcical but the galaxy came up with the Council, the genophage, etc all on its own. They need a suffocently ethical Shepalyst.

[Iakus]

I think my goals are/were closer to Massively's. I don't think the galaxy is capable of ruling itself or has any particular right to do so.

 

To me capability doesn't factor into it.  And I do think they have the right to try.  Maybe not succeed.  But they deserve the chance.  Free will is vital to me. 

[DeinonSlayer]

Yep. I should also say that the people I kill aren't in the plan for the future. Any 'negative' decision I make will typically have some kind of justification in the coming future.

My goal is to make the galaxy into what I want it to be. And to completely honest, getting there is going to be an absolute nightmare to anyone that isn't me, but actually arriving, you'd find it's pretty nice of an outcome.

You know the question's coming: Is that why your Shepard left Kaidan behind on Virmire for the express purpose of banging Ashley when he didn't even like her, then executed her later on?

[Kurt M.]

How's it wrong? Particularly, why am I wrong when I'm not even talking about modern military compliance and discipline standards? Why did you bring in discipline and obedience to orders into this discussion all of sudden?

 

TL/DR. I'm bored of this anyway

 

But in that you're right. Maybe I was mixing both things. Anyway, not much room for RL drama in this forum...or at least it's how it should be.

[Iakus]

You know the question's coming: Is that why your Shepard left Kaidan behind on Virmire for the express purpose of banging Ashley when he didn't even like her, then executed her later on?

 

My question is why doesn't his Shepard just grab the control rods and get it over with?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

You know the question's coming: Is that why your Shepard left Kaidan behind on Virmire for the express purpose of banging Ashley when he didn't even like her, then executed her later on?

 

He... liked her. He had some mixed feelings with how he felt towards her. He wasn't sure what he felt. He didn't think it was something that could last, but it wasn't something he felt was going to come back and bite him like it did.

 

Averted when he does save Kaidan though.

[DeinonSlayer]

He... liked her. He had some mixed feelings with how he felt towards her. He wasn't sure what he felt. He didn't think it was something that could last, but it wasn't something he felt was going to come back and bite him like it did.
 
Averted when he does save Kaidan though.

Ashley's character did kind of implode over the course of the trilogy, I'll give you that.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I'm a renegade player myself but sometimes I do see the need to avoid going bonkers on people. She's an ******* but at least she can be kind to children and has a bad habit of not going in things gun a blazing. She is an anti hero like Garrus.

 

I don't commit to senseless violence. I'll do it if it's drawn on me, but otherwise, my Shepard is a fairly affable, if witty and eccentric kind of guy, though also legitimately cool. Personality wise, he's an ENTJ.

 

That said, he's a Machiavellian true neutral unfettered semi-socipathic byronic nominal anti-hero. That's what would be best to label him as. You could make a case for him also being neutral good or neutral evil. Or even chaotic neutral.

[Iakus]

 

That said, he's a Machiavellian true neutral unfettered emi-socipathic byronic nominal anti-hero. That's what would be best to label him as.

 

I prefer the  lawful good reluctant hero model myself

[DeinonSlayer]

I prefer the lawful good reluctant hero model myself

Haven't taken the time to come up with a string of adjectives for my own canon... but sometimes "lawful" and "good" just aren't going to win.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

My "canon" Shepard, summed up, is someone who got disillusioned with the galaxy after starting out a sickeningly sweet poster child, and at the end, was fighting for herself and her friends only, and if killing the Geth means she can live, then so be it. 

What's that, chaotic good? 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

My "canon" Shepard, summed up, is someone who got disillusioned with the galaxy after starting out a sickeningly sweet poster child, and at the end, was fighting for herself and her friends only, and if killing the Geth means she can live, then so be it. 

What's that, chaotic good? 

 

That's too selfish to be good by the alignment chart measure. That's more chaotic neutral.

[themikefest]

Haven't taken the time to come up with a string of adjectives for my own canon... but sometimes "lawful" and "good" just aren't going to win.

for my femshep it would be chaotic evil

[Mrs_Stick]

We are shown some of what Cerberus does. Do I agree with the extent to where they went no. But I can see the value in trying to research it. With that said yes they tried to show Cerberus as the big evil and yet we never learned what the alliance really did behind closed doors.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I prefer neutral good when it comes to D&D allignments.

[DeathScepter]

To Mrs_Stick, that is the weakness of ME3. it is too much black and white without much sense.

[Dark_Enclave33]

TJ Lazer...http://m.youtube.com...h?v=YgfS8A7j-jY