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[Micon2]

What should be your first action to survive here? I mean it all happens so fast you do not get much chance to do any bloody thing. I have tried backing away, that give a few more seconds,  and when I get wiped out ten times in a row thats simply ridiculous.
I feel like I am not choosing the best support crew, I have tried to balance biotic and tech strengths with me as the soldier but being wiped out so easily gets frustrating.

[Intelwolves]

I used Wrex and Tali, but you have to work on their upgrades carefully. I had a few troubles there, but The thing is take out all the little brats then go for the big one. Above all get behind cover. If you got a squad mate that can use throw use it. use the space bar (PC). Xbox version I read was the B button not sure tho.



Also, sabotage it or stasis to give you time to get your team back or healed up a bit. If you can let me know who is in your squad.

[Tombstone5150]

as soon as you get control (after the cut scene) I tell my squad to go to your left.... behind the metal supports then duck behind the crate your at for cover because a disruptor blast is coming. after the blast run behind the metal supports... you will be behind the wall, go down to the last vertical gap in the wall and you can lock on to the armature from here but he cant hit you. then while your killing him your squad will be taking out any hoppers that come over to the entrance to where you are. the only thing left after you kill the arm. will be 2 snipers by the ramp, they are hard but if you go left again to the far end of the wall and work your way through the last supports you can (usually) get a shot on the snipers before they lock on. (hope it helps)

[Micon2]

Intelwolves, ok I have not tried to get any party member to do anything beyond Kaiden throwing or bionic blast in the very beginning, Its just that the action happens so fast and furious its hard enough to control my own actions let alone party members, but will try.



Tombstones5150

the disruptor is that blue electric that renders my weapon useless? might knock me down as well.

How come you can't get some backup from Normandy in these situations?

Thanks for the fast responses

[Tombstone5150]

Sorry for the long delay ... dinner you never get any air support from the normandy..... but I know of many places it would have been very usefull. yeah the collossus/Armature's use a blue pulse blast, its some kind of disruptor... if it hits you on low levels its usually a 1 shot kill. try to dodge them at all cost and DONT think that a mountain or rock will protect you... have been killed many times by one of these things going through the mountain while i was trying to snipe.

[Micon2]

Jeez people, I have for the last 2 bloody hours been trying to advance from this cutscene on this screwed hilltop. I have my save a millisec from the cut scene and the best I can achieve is backpedalling the way I came out of sight and then begin a slow crouch fwd with sniper rifle. I can get a few but sheeeee..iiit It not just idiotically over the top . Think I will replay from beginning and try to get a bit more used to the controlls. I am on normal maybe I will reset this to easy, WHen a game gets this tough as to be totally unplayable I am going to have to use a few console cmds to get by. But I am not spendind al fkng afternoon not to advance a yard. thoroughly pissed off

[CapsFan67]

Micon2 wrote...

Jeez people, I have for the last 2 bloody hours been trying to advance from this cutscene on this screwed hilltop. I have my save a millisec from the cut scene and the best I can achieve is backpedalling the way I came out of sight and then begin a slow crouch fwd with sniper rifle. I can get a few but sheeeee..iiit It not just idiotically over the top . Think I will replay from beginning and try to get a bit more used to the controlls. I am on normal maybe I will reset this to easy, WHen a game gets this tough as to be totally unplayable I am going to have to use a few console cmds to get by. But I am not spendind al fkng afternoon not to advance a yard. thoroughly pissed off

You can change the difficulty without restarting your game.

Send your squad to cover on the left. Take cover behind the crate on the right. While there, take out the geth bouncing around first. Then pop out from cover to take out remaining support geth. Finally, time your shots at the armature between it's high energy shot, and don't forget to use grenades.

Depending on your level, consider your ammo and weapon upgrades. I needed like 7 or 8 times to win this fight. You'll get. Hang in there.

[gropax]

run to the left side behind all the junk there kill what ever follows you when your done with most of the geth stand behind the left most metal crate send your guys to the right one across the way so they draw fire and not you. then pop out blast the armature guy a few times hide rinse and repeat til he dies. if your an engineer you can AI hack him or another geth to even out the sides a little also when he is hacked you can shoot him and he will not shoot back.

[EvanED]

Again, don't feel bad about setting things to easy, and if you feel like the game likes punching you in the head, you're not alone. (Tycho's comment from the associated post: "At first, because the game often looks and feels like a shooter, it is hard to know if the shooting is tremendously difficult or poorly executed.")

[Micon2]

yay well thanks for all the input, I did set the game to casual though even at that it took me three goesto get past the first lot and on e to finally enter the tunnel to Liara, mission complete, The cipher wasn't too hard to ge,t but I am used to puzzle solving just all this keyboard immersion, I stuck notes all round the edge of my monitor screen. I can't say I am rapt with the controll system.

decided to go back to the citadel for upgrades etc before I hit Novaria again,

I am hoping that the order you do things especially incoming transmissions does not matter,na

[Karstedt]

You must take cover to the left, and if you're up to it, order your squadmates to get behind stuff too so they don't get pegged by the blue balls of death. Most of the geth will not rush your position behind the stuff on the left, so I usually just hang out there and pick of the jumper that will leap above you and cause trouble. Then I deal with peeking out of cover to get the rest.



If you're having trouble already, you're gonna hate trying to leave Therum... It can be one the toughest fights in the game. My first time through it took me like 6 tries to get past it.

[Sailears]

That is one of the most horrible fights in the game, especially if you go straight to therum before anywhere else.

[BramAlam12345]

I did Therum last night. I too remember it having some very tough fights, including the one you mention and also the one with the Krogan Battlemaster at the end. However, last night it was a breeze, even on Insanity. It is almost absurd how easy just about any fight is at level 59 with Master Spectre gear. Hang in there. Use your talents and tell your squadmates to use their's. Keep trying and lower the difficulty if you must.

[Karstedt]

Level 55+ is no fun. I mean, if you are just replaying to pick different story options that one thing I guess. But nothing beats taking down that Battlemaster at level 12-15 on insanity, or figuring out a way to deal with that cavern of husks around level 15. I think I ran around backwards with my shotgun for about 10 minutes to clear out those husks... and of course, my squaddies went down repeatedly.

[merikano]

This battle used to give me pause, but now I do it on insanity and barely bat an eye.

Soldier - On therum you probably want to take Ash and Garrus. Spamming Immunity and engaging targets at long range will improve you chances immensely. As for the hilltop?

As soon as the cutscene ends flank left and take cover behind the big old crate. But don't get comfortable, as soon as the armature and snipers take their opening shots you and the rest of the squad are to contine going left until you are out of sight of the armature and snipers. Pull out the ARs and start shooting at the Ghosts and Stalkers and be on the lookout for a geth Shocktrooper that will open up with carnage as soon as he sees you. When you dust them go back out, take cover back behind that lovely little crate and start knocking out the geth snipers. Time it so that you can lean out of cover as soon as the armature's main plasma shot dissipates. You can't shoot for too long - the snipers will get Assassination off from CD fairly quickly but then it only take a few shots to down them.

Once they're down use Unity to revive any fallen teammates and then rush out. Have Garrus immediately open up with Sabotage to temporarily take down the armature's firing system. Followup with an Overload to help knock down shields and then go to work.

The main strategy is to treat the armature like you would a cobra. Circle it cautiously, never stop moving and keep spamming Immunity as much as possible. Shotguns work well at this range and though Garrus might taken down you and Ash should be fine as long as you keep Immunity up.

After a few circles the armature should eventually be taken out and you are ready to continue with the rest of the mission.

That's the soldier strategy and honestly the same strategy used can be applied to nearly every class, at least up until you try to bring down the armature. For the sake of the other five classes though...

Vanguard: Kaidan and Wrex work well on this mission. Again same strategy, go left as soon as the cutscene clears and keep the LOS between you and the armature and snipers blocked with the metal siding. Take down the geth ST Ghosts and Stalkers. Take down the snipers afterwards (this part really is cut and paste for every class) and then approach the armature.

Depending on what skills are available to you, you should have a relatively easy time dealing with the armature despite the decrease in armor and firepower. Have Kaiden either Sabotage or Lift the armature to keep it from firing. When he's on CD hopefully your VG can also lift the armature to provide crowd control and vice versa. Wrex should throw on a warp (especially if you're playing at higher difficulty levels) and follow up with a shotgun/carnage attack. VG's work well with either pistol or shotgun - you choose which to use and just have Kaidan focus on CC. Keep circling the armature (they have bad aim and don't know how to lead a target) and keep shooting until it dies. Continue with mission.

Infiltrator (I did this on insanity only yesterday - didn't die once): Cut and paste the beginning of the fight right up until the armature portion. With me I had Ash and Wrex (same as with soldier) and I kept using sabotage to disable its weapons while Ash and Wrex followed through with shotguns and warp. Used the circling the cobra technique until it eventually went down. Continue with mission.

Engineer - a good team selection would be Kaidan (for his biotics) and Wrex (I keep referring to Wrex in these because later on when you fight a pretty tough Krogan Wrex can tank the Krogan pretty well). Cut and paste the first portion of the fight then on the armature use a combination of sabotage and Kaidan's own sabotage and lift to provide crowd control on the armature. Wrex follows through with warp and shotgun. Circle the armature, rinse repeat, it goes down - continue on mission.

Sentinel - take Wrex and Kaidan for this attempt. Cut and paste the first portion of the fight as well as the second portion. Between all the crowd control and weapon disabilties you and Kaidan have (sabotage and lift) the armature shouldn't be able to get off a single shot. Have Wrex follow through with warp and shotty and there you go - continue on mission.

Adept: Kaidan and Ashley work well here. Cut and paste the first portion (again) before using crowd control on the armature (again) circle and fire on the armature (again) until it loses all its HP and dies.

By now you should be seeing a pattern. If you have a character that emphasizes either tech or biotics then you need to compensate the lack of fire support with a character strong in combat abilities. If you're strong in combat (soldier) then you need characters with backgrounds in tech and biotic. That's pretty much the strategy for all of ME.

The tactic I talked about here will work with these squadmates but I'm sure you could substitute one for another quite easily. Good luck!

Modifié par merikano, 23 janvier 2010 - 01:52 .

[BramAlam12345]

Karstedt wrote...

Level 55+ is no fun. I mean, if you are just replaying to pick different story options that one thing I guess. But nothing beats taking down that Battlemaster at level 12-15 on insanity, or figuring out a way to deal with that cavern of husks around level 15. I think I ran around backwards with my shotgun for about 10 minutes to clear out those husks... and of course, my squaddies went down repeatedly.

I do agree with you, but I'm going for the Level 60 achievement.  Also, while there is no challenge, it is occasionally fun to have a game where your character is a legitimate battlefield god. 

[Micon2]

thanks for the ideas', I did reset to easy and succeed! Thought I may start another thread for Novaria, I have gone thru to peak 15

[merikano]

battlemaster and that room is... chancey, sometimes you pull it off without a hitch others you get one shotted pretty quickly



on insanity at a low level it is super hard (i love it) and if you don't have chemical rounds and kaidan or wrex with you then you're in for a world of hurt

[Karstedt]

Umm... I disagree with some of what merikano suggests. Particularly at low levels. 'Combat' or soldier abilities are not actually that useful at low levels. You can't spam immunity because it takes so long to recharge, and your weapons generally suck so you can't maintain fire for long periods of time.

The tech and biotic skills are waaaay more useful at low level, and having as may tech and biotic powers available will help mitigate the long recharges. Tech skill are particularly good here because it is nearly all Geth, but if you don't want the Battlemaster to stomp you, you need some biotics too. I actually find that the soldier class is the hardest to do this mission with, as that is one member of the team (yourself) that will have no tech/bitocs.

For the easiest time, I usually take Tali and Kaiden. I would take Wrex over Kaiden, but he can't really get his biotic punch on until past level 20. As far as I can tell, there is no pre level 20 character that can tank the Battlemaster, so you have to knock him down with powers to avoid the charge.

Basically, balance is not the key here. You want as many powers as you can get.

Modifié par Karstedt, 23 janvier 2010 - 02:40 .

[merikano]

eh, i haven't played a low level in a long time so you're probably right



i do remember the battlemaster fight at like level 15. only way i pulled it off was charging straight into that little room/conclave/whatever and taking out the sniper and rocket trooper first. usually you'll have some time before the battlemaster attacks you directly - if you stay out of his line of sight



take out the shock trooper last and then hopefully you'll still have most of your team with you. then it all comes down to keeping the battlemaster down long enough for you to kill him



this is almost impossible on insanity and so i eventually had to do a dance around the center console in order to beat him. used pistol with chemical rounds, everybody else was dead, and i just kept that small center console between the two of us and kept blasting away at him until he died



not easy, probably one of the top five toughest fights in the game

[Karstedt]

Yeah, he's a tough bugger. But here's how to take him down pretty well on insanity. Take Tali and Kaiden. As soon as the fight starts, Have Tali disable the weapons of one group and Kaiden disable the other. Then have Tali hack the Geth with the launcher behind the crate. Then run after the Battlemaster as he's taking cover and have kaiden throw him as you focus fire on him and use everything you've got spacing out the knockdown powers. I can usually stomp him right off the bat like that. If you get him down before he goes immune and you have some chemo rounds, he goes fast.



If he goes immune, you just have to ignore him until you mop up the Geth and get your powers recharged. He won't charge until he's been damaged a bit, and that's the thing you've got to avoid.

[merikano]

As it was pointed out earlier the tactic I described won't work well at lower levels. So to redeem myself I created a complete walkthrough of this battle in my mass effect albums here on the website. It's a simple method, pretty much anybody can use, and I completed it after two tries with my level 13 adept.



Enjoy!

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