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[Maurader Sackboy]

Wish we could get back to the original question (arc pistol & casters).  While I realize the arc is powerful, I can't seem to find a good timing with it's charge mechanic (PS3 controller).   Especially with an often used priming power.   I like the acolyte and venom but with them you're 'priming' with ammo (charge shoot then power) while with the arc it seems like you'd need power prime > shoot.  Haven't found a good niche for the arc yet (then again, I can't aim well).

[megabeast37215]

Overload/Shoot works pretty well.

[capn233]

Eh, I thought we covered that.

 

Arc Pistol is one of the most powerful guns in the game if you can get the hang of it.

 

If you can't get used to it, then find a different gun you like.

[Deerber]

Hey guys I couldn't be bothered to read the whole pointless arguing, but...

 

 

I just wanted to say...

 

 

CLAYMOARRRRR!!!!

[Dovakiin_N7]

No. If you use a CSMG on most casters you will indeed kill more with powers relative to if you used the Claymore, but you will not necessarily kill any better overall unless there is glitching involved.

I don't know why everyone is so high on CSMG. It is a good weapon, very good in the role of a secondary anti-armor gun. But it is not the end all and be all of weapons.

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You are goddamn stubborn. Nobody here is saying with CSMG you will kill better than PPR or claymore. But those who want to play as casters ( obviously you not included) want to cast and detonate combo often would go for guns that will give you around 140% cool down. Claymore won't. Like I said PPR ACA kills better ( weapon focus) than CSMG ACA ( power focus). We all know power of guns.

What the heck are you babbling about? Not everyone is score ******. Some people could extract platinum just fine with power focus.

And dude keep it short. Would you?

[Kislitsin]

I kinda like it. How people, who blame players who diss claymore on the casters, in the majority are:

 

1. Patient and never use personal insults.

2. Argument using logical constructions rather than emotions.

3. Take care to read what their oponent wrote. Rather than mindlessly put their statement that is barely related to the post.

 

Or are they?

[TheNightSlasher]

Wish we could get back to the original question (arc pistol & casters).  While I realize the arc is powerful, I can't seem to find a good timing with it's charge mechanic (PS3 controller).   Especially with an often used priming power.   I like the acolyte and venom but with them you're 'priming' with ammo (charge shoot then power) while with the arc it seems like you'd need power prime > shoot.  Haven't found a good niche for the arc yet (then again, I can't aim well).

You can use the arc pistol to prime too. Take QFE, for instance. I use disruptor rounds to prime and immediately follow with an incinerate. The arc pistol hits pretty hard in the first place and has a good chance of priming too. So the resulting TB will finish off the enemy. Same deal with incendiary ammo.

For biotics, I use AP ammo or warp ammo.

For classes like TSent, QME, HE, GE - use ap or drill ammo - strip shields first with overload or arc grenades and then headshot them. Extremely efficient.

 

This may help you (although, I play on PC and things might be different for those using controllers): During the time it takes the weapon to charge, you can cast a power. Start charging > cast warp > shoot. This lets you dish out a sustained DPS on mobs/heavy armor units. Take human adept for instance - start charging, cast singularity, shoot, shoot, start charging, warp for BE, shoot, rinse & repeat. While the charge up mechanic can be irritating, it lets you put out a nice stream of damage over a duration.

[Dovakiin_N7]

@Kislitsin: There.
Well, I am pretty sure I could extend my point to HA too (4.32 secs with claymore vs. 2.7 secs with wraith is not negligible). Sorry to be so picky with numbers and such but oh well.

Lol

[Kislitsin]

Lol

Yeah, the fact that TNS cited my words about power amps and presented it as if I've been talking about cooldowns is fun. It's even more fun that you ate it.

[Dovakiin_N7]

I kinda like it. How people, who blame players who diss claymore on the casters, in the majority are:

1. Patient and never use personal insults.
2. Argument using logical constructions rather than emotions.
3. Take care to read what their oponent wrote. Rather than mindlessly put their statement that is barely related to the post.

Or are they?

I think you are implying that caster side ( whatever it is) are stupid and illogical. So much for your 2.

Here is my argument. If I slap claymore on a class able to detonate his primed explosion.. I probably will kill faster. But then I am thinking of playing that class as weapon base. I wouldn't call him caster.

There is no pure caster or weapons class. Nobody stops to check where his kills are coming from and adjust weapon or power use. And I think you would agree there are people who would settle for less score because they like playing 'caster class'. These people also don't consider anyone yielding claymore( barring fury) a power focus class.

Is that a stupid argument? You can call yourself caster even if you could fast your power only once in 10 secs. Nobody stopping you.

What you people are going on and on is how claymore is better ( to kill efficiently) that a power/combo focus class with lighter weapon. Offcourse it is.

[megawug]

I used to use the arc pistol a lot, but over time, I found the charging mechanic to be distracting when doing power combos.  It's like the acolyte... for those who don't mind the charging mechanic, it's an awesome weapon.

[Kislitsin]

@Dovakiin, please tell me, were do you guys get all those 10 seconds CDs?

 

Also, please, man, those "lighter weapons", you don't know what you are talking about.

 

In terms of GUN DPS, caster with Talon/Hurricane/Arc equals or outweights a caster with claymoar. I've spent a time to write about it, if only you were able to read...

[Dovakiin_N7]

@Dovakiin, please tell me, were do you guys get all those 10 seconds CDs?

Also, please, man, those "lighter weapons", you don't know what you are talking about.

In terms of GUN DPS, caster with Talon/Hurricane/Arc equals or outweights a caster with claymoar. I've spent a time to write about it, if only you were able to read...

Oh god. That 10 was just random number I wrote instead of low enough cool down. Never mind man. I am not discussing anything with you on this anymore. You are welcome to play in my lobby with your claymore yielding caster.

[megawug]

Oh god. That 10 was just random number I wrote instead of low enough cool down. Never mind man. I am not discussing anything with you on this anymore. You are welcome to play in my lobby with your claymore yielding caster.

 

Yeah, that guy takes "playing the gun" to a whole new level.  Maybe every game should be another CoD/Halo/Battlefield.

[Kislitsin]

Oh those cute kit-playing scrubs. Can't say anything that matters, "let's just laugh that stupid claymore user".

@megawug: I don't play halo or cod. I am not a consol uberrace. I have a choice among much more sofisticated FPS.

[capn233]

You are goddamn stubborn. Nobody here is saying with CSMG you will kill better than PPR or claymore. But those who want to play as casters ( obviously you not included) want to cast and detonate combo often would go for guns that will give you around 140% cool down. Claymore won't. Like I said PPR ACA kills better ( weapon focus) than CSMG ACA ( power focus). We all know power of guns.

What the heck are you babbling about? Not everyone is score ******. Some people could extract platinum just fine with power focus.

And dude keep it short. Would you?

 

That reply is a mess.

 

Getting sort of sick of assumptions and imagined arguments that I have made.

 

Who said I don't like playing as a "caster?"  Sure as **** wasn't me.  Go back and read my posts if you are going to quote them and go on a tirade.

 

As for being stubborn, that is a laugh coming from the "play the class" crew.

[Dovakiin_N7]

Oh those cute kit-playing scrubs. Can't say anything that matters, "let's just laugh that stupid claymore user".
@megawug: I don't play halo or cod. I am not a consol uberrace. I have a choice among much more sofisticated FPS.

So I try to discuss nicely because you whine about people cursing. And you get back to calling "scrub"?

And what the fu*ck are you smoking? Who is laughing is claymore kits? We don't play with claymore?

[Dovakiin_N7]

That reply is a mess.

Getting sort of sick of assumptions and imagined arguments that I have made.

Who said I don't like playing as a "caster?" Sure as **** wasn't me. Go back and read my posts if you are going to quote them and go on a tirade.

As for being stubborn, that is a laugh coming from the "play the class" crew.

How about try to understand my argument again? Or teach me English. would you? I don't come from English speaking country. At least have decency to stick to argument and rub people on language.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

This is getting really silly now. Let it go.

 

[Kislitsin]

So I try to discuss nicely because you whine about people cursing. And you get back to calling "scrub"?

And what the fu*ck are you smoking? Who is laughing is claymore kits? We don't play with claymore?

 

I am hypocritical, I don't deny. If someone who is smoking tells you that smoking harms you, does it mean the smoking is harmless? Moreover, I didn't point the finger and didn't call the names (except for megabreast off course). If you want to stand for the "kit playing scrub" crowd it's not my fault.

 

BTW, I am not a native speaker by far, but Capn is deadly logical and sticks to his arguments.

[capn233]

How about try to understand my argument again? Or teach me English. would you? I don't come from English speaking country. At least have decency to stick to argument and rub people on language.

 

I apologize for being discourteous in the previous reply.

 

Here is the heart of the issue from my perspective.

 

I disagree with the notion that there is one "correct" way to play any class.  Hence I disagree that you have to keep the cooldown below any arbitrary threshold on any player.

 

I agree that from a max-min perspective that often times certain light weapons on certain characters may indeed be more powerful than other heavier weapons.  I argue that this has more to do with the state of the weapon balance rather than various interpretations of Bioware's original intentions with the game.

 

I have never stated heavy weapons or even the Claymore is the ideal way to play any class.  I argued against various points made in favor of dictating one style of play for a class.

 

My position was mischaracterized by the play the class crew to be the opposite extreme from their position.  Namely you should only use the Claymore, which I never stated.

[Turian Master Race]

Humorisation, google it. If you are able to read, you might have found my post here, where I actually outline why exactly claymore is the worst choice in comparison with min/max hurri-talon-wraith-arc. You probably aren't, it's not the first time when you start/continue the discussion with the personal insult without even a slight attempt to comprehend the posts.

 

Well, if your claim about the claymore was humorizing then I am happy to apologize.

 

To be honest the arguments presented in this thread are way to serious to be viewed "humorizing" (though ofc it depends on one's idea of humorizing ...)

 

Also, I have found the following long post of yours on Wraith, Talon, etc. and I can see no signs of "humorisation" (I can be wrong ...) and I do not see any claim in your post that the claymore would be a worse option than these guns.

 

Anyway, once again if your claims about the claymore in this thread are "humorisations" then please take my apology.

 

@Mega: man, you dissapoint me severly in those threads. You are a cool guy, I share a lot of your opinions. But every time we have a "claymore discussion" you end up with argument "because you can only play gun and think that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid" or smth like that.

Capn provided good arguments regarding gunplay in ME series, those were ignored.

 

To all "kit players", guys, most adepts/engiees I've seen are played with either Hurricane/lolcolyte or Talon. And let me outline those weapons a bit:

 

Hurricane: has more punch and deeps than assault rifle, recoil can easily be compensated (also - no jaw scale). With warp ammo it deals 1200-2400 burst deeps without weapon passives (depends on protection).  In three seconds it does around 6000 damage vs armor and around 8000 damage vs barriers not counting penetration and accidental headshots. And don't forget that among four "bigbosses": 1 suffers severly from tripplehits, another suffers from doublehits in his headshot area (which also provides 2x multiplier and is quite large), third has a barriers presenting half of her HP (thus suffers from warp ammo even more than pure armor HP would have).

It's only drawback (accuracy) is not significant for a boss killer weapon.

Chit, TSol with it is better than with any assault rifle.

It's stupidly overpowered weapon.

 

Lolcolyte: that abomination should have never existed. Biower give it to us because a lot of "kit players" were unable to deal with phantoms ("oh, why should I shoot or [gasp] headshot somebody? I play space magician! gimme the power that would kill bi*tch immediately! biover plaz lizards wizards underpowered!"). Even though it's easy to apply projectile power to her, even with predator/shurikaine.

 

Talon: Weapon, that can deal almost as much gore as claymore with one shot (assuming protection modifiers), that has 6 shots, better accuracy (which becomes ridiculously tight with hard cover) and weights nothing??? Why the hell not? Casters need some light weapons.

With the best casters being GI, TSol and Destroyer.

 

Wraith - simillar story, but actually a bit more balanced (less deeps - no defence modifiers and no pistol HVB).

On the deeps part -read hurrdurr deeps rant.

 

Arc Pistol: Dramatically overbuffed weapon. Great accuracy, great capacity, light weight, ignores shieldgate and OHKills a lot of mobs. Also, has a great one clip DPS and big clip. That allows to one-clip a lot of bosses.

 

Guys, please, don't say you play the kit if you use anything described above. You play the weapon, ridiculously overbuffed weapon, with frequent combos on the background.

 

Why you no use lets say Tempest and Carniflex on your casters? Than you will really play the kit, with some additional damage from the gun. Palladin is a great weapon, capable to 1-2HSK any mook, why most power-kit-players don't suggest it (or suggest only for "stasis-sniping"?)? Palladin VHA is a lot of fun, but now you need not to shoot magic bubble (lolcolyte) without aiming and not to spray ULMG with magical ammo at anything blue, you need to aim a bit, need to time your combos, need to be much more aware.

 

Eviscerator is an uncommon shooty that weights less than wraith, it still can kill things (assuming it's not your main source of damage) and almost EVERYONE has it at X. Why you need wraith, that is heavier (esp at lower levels) when evi allows to have 200+ CD if your gun isn't your main source of damage?

 

Everyone can play whatever he wants, I have no right to say how something should be played. But arguments "play claymore not kit" in the light of "lol-talon/arc/culyte/wraith/hurrdurr" usage look... biased.

[Turian Master Race]

I kinda like it. How people, who blame players who diss claymore on the casters, in the majority are:

 

1. Patient and never use personal insults.

2. Argument using logical constructions rather than emotions.

3. Take care to read what their oponent wrote. Rather than mindlessly put their statement that is barely related to the post.

 

 

We do not diss the clamore, I love it, we just disagree that it would be the best caster weapon. But since it is a humorisation ... Let it go ... let it go

 

About your points: finally we agree on something

[Turian Master Race]

Hmmm.  What does my quote specifically say?  I stand by it, and didn't at any point "cry like a girl."

 

Looking forward to any evidence that CSMG only is better on any character w/o Incendiary Shenanigans^TM than the Claymore.  Additionally it is a humongous stretch to say that a statement comparing Claymore to one other weapon is the same as "Claymore is the best weapon on every character."

 

I apologize for the "cry like the girl" part, it was there to draw responses and it worked. Cheap trick ...

 

1, I am looking forward to your evidence that supports your original claim (i.e. the claymore is a better weapon than the csmg for casters).

 

2, I am looking forward to your definition of "caster"

 

yours sincerely

[Turian Master Race]

Hey guys I couldn't be bothered to read the whole pointless arguing, but...

 

 

I just wanted to say...

 

 

CLAYMOARRRRR!!!!

 

Is this a humorisation or you mean srs bsns?!?!?