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is arc pistol a mediocre weapon for power intensive classes?


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#251
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We do not diss the clamore, I love it, we just disagree that it would be the best caster weapon. But since it is a humorisation ... Let it go ... let it go

 

About your points: finally we agree on something :) :) ;)

 

His original argument was the Claymore is a better caster weapon than the Arc Pistol because of sound. Since then the argument has devolved from humor.


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Claymore is the worst option than Talon on hurrdurr on a caster. Actually,

 

Claymore isn't the best anything of anything from a min max perspective:

 

1. Best "caster" weapon? That goes to arc/talon. Wraith fills that role better as well.

 

2. Best weapon for weapon specialist (accuracy/RoF boosts). Nope, brophoon, hurrtalon, and among the "coallegues": pirranha, raider and wraith are all a better choices.

 

3. Best weapon for weapon platforms (no Acc/RoF boosts)? Nope, lazor and carrier are, as well as arc pistol.

 

4. Best mook killer? Arc and Talon disagree, as well as wraith. Hell, even the "mid-tier" Sabre and Valk disagree here.

 

5. Best boss killer? Lazor and Brophoon say WAT? Hurricane smiles. Pirranha and Raider just laugh.

 

6. Best hit-scan "phantom killer"? Arc and Talon disagree, Wraith disagree as well. And sabre. And crusader. And lazor.

 

7. Best "put on anything" gun? Harrier says "never"

 

What's so good about claymore? Its sound, the feeling of powerfull gun it gives, its one-shot "all or nothing" nature, its brutality. I can't say for all the "Claymore cult", but those are the reasons I use the gun.

 

And, while often suboptimal, it's totally possible to use that gun on a CD dependent class with a sacrifices. I've made an example,

 

There is something into that. You use the heavy gun on a kit that is CD dependent because f*ck you that's why. Claymore is brutal.

 

Also, I use that gun on the "casters" (if I ever play those kits) for the sake of "good ol' times", when Claymore was indeed a best caster choice from the min/max perspective (no lolcolyte, Arc wasn't overbuffed, Talon wasn't overbuffed and I-III lvl at best, Hurrdurr wasn't overbuffed and was even more rare than Talon, Wraith was ok, but again - few had it at a decent level)



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I find it goes well with my n7 paladin.

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I apologize for being discourteous in the previous reply.

 

Here is the heart of the issue from my perspective.

 

I disagree with the notion that there is one "correct" way to play any class.  Hence I disagree that you have to keep the cooldown below any arbitrary threshold on any player.

 

I agree that from a max-min perspective that often times certain light weapons on certain characters may indeed be more powerful than other heavier weapons.  I argue that this has more to do with the state of the weapon balance rather than various interpretations of Bioware's original intentions with the game.

 

I have never stated heavy weapons or even the Claymore is the ideal way to play any class.  I argued against various points made in favor of dictating one style of play for a class.

 

My position was mischaracterized by the play the class crew to be the opposite extreme from their position.  Namely you should only use the Claymore, which I never stated.

 

1, No one said that there is a correct way, however the treshold is not arbitrary. Do you want to use your combos or not? If so you have to keep it in your self priming window, but preferably lower (as team mates love to kill primed targets).

 

2, Bioware clearly had intentions to create diversity.

 

3, No one dictated a style. In fact the very motivation to argue against the "claymore is the best" (humorisation) is that people like diversity and thus they like to play different weapons.

 

4, The "class crew's" position was mischaracterized by the claymore crew to be the opposite extreme from their position. Namely you should not use the Claymore, which we never stated. ;)

 

This thread is a giant mess of misunderstandings ...


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#255
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This thread is a giant mess of misunderstandings ...

 

Yes. Starting with the OP.  :lol:


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#256
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The modern world is a giant mess of misunderstandings ...

FTFY



#257
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if only you were able to read...


Now whose throwing insults. You're such a hypocrite.. you're the only one whose allowed to talk smack, but you're not insulting right?

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Oh god. That 10 was just random number I wrote instead of low enough cool down. Never mind man. I am not discussing anything with you on this anymore. You are welcome to play in my lobby with your claymore yielding caster.


I said the same thing to him and tried to illustrate that it's a concept.. yet he wants to nitpick what I write, but his English isn't even good enough for him to accurately illustrate his points earlier in the thread.

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Now whose throwing insults. You're such a hypocrite.. you're the only one whose allowed to talk smack, but you're not insulting right?

Your mom.



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Turian Master Race

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Relax guys, let it go ...



#261
megabeast37215

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Your mom.


Your greasy greasy grandmother

#262
Kislitsin

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Your greasy greasy grandmother

If I wanted my ****** back. I'd....

 

Meh.

 

[insert "ur sister" joke here]



#263
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I believe "your happy slappy grandpappy" was what you were supposed to say.



#264
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Ur face


...?

#265
megabeast37215

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If I wanted my ****** back. I'd....
 
Meh.
 
[insert "ur sister" joke here]


I'm rubber, you're glue..

#266
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Only one way to settle this

South Park Cripple Fight:
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#267
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the treshold is not arbitrary.


The threshold for *what*, exactly?



Also, everyone, CLAYMORE.

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I'm rubber, you're glue..

Exactly what ur mom told me. It didn't bounce.



#269
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Exactly what ur mom told me. It didn't bounce.


Yo momma is so fat she rolled over 4 quarters and made a silver dollar.

#270
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Yo momma is so fat she rolled over 4 quarters and made a silver dollar.


Were they in line?

#271
megabeast37215

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Were they in line?


They were stacked up.. also..

His momma so fat, she fell down, broke her leg and gravy poured out.

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Kislitsin

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Yo momma is so fat she rolled over 4 quarters and made a silver dollar.

Good news to both of us. Now I have a dolla so ur sister will get paid next time.


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#273
megabeast37215

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Good news to both of us. Now I have a dolla so ur sister will get paid next time.


Your sister is like a pizza.. everybody gets a piece.

#274
Kislitsin

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Your sister is like a pizza.. everybody gets a piece.

ur face is too ugly even for her though.

 

Your sister is like an EA servers, everybody uses, nobody is happy



#275
Dr. Tim Whatley

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Your sister is like an EA servers, everybody uses, nobody is happy

 

This was kinda weak bro