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[me0120]

Nah.. the "play the kit vs play the gun" argument is at least 6 months old. Of course the Claymore sounds better than the Arc.. the Arc does sound cool though, but not that 'I'm carrying a howitzer, BOOM headshot!' kind of cool..

 

Yeah, the play the gun thing is getting close to two years old now. 

 

I meant this particular discussion started from a joke. I doubt many, if any, actually believe the Claymore is a better caster weapon than the Arc Pistol. 

 

 

 

 

P.S. I like the sound of the Wraith 1st person. Don't tell anyone.

[Awakened_Pyjak]

Still can't get where the kit players got those 10 sec CD's.
1. Spec passives, 4b and 6a(on some) make wonders.
2. Use power recharge amps
3. L2shoot
4. Scrubs.

According to Narida, with an asari adept/Claymore X, 4b in passives and the recharge speed evos of stasis/warp/throw, we'll have the following cooldowns :

- Stasis : 4,55s
- Warp : 4,32s (without 6b, cuz 6a is awesome)
- Throw : 2,16s (without 6b - 1,63s with 6b)

Without power efficiency amps.

Stasis bubble to deal with groups of mooks, warp to debuff bosses/armored targets, Claymore everything and even throw for BE and shiggles. It seems totally usable, imho, without gimping her powers too much.

If you add both the ultralight material mod V and power efficiency III, cooldowns are 3,57s/3,27s/1,63s.

So seriously, I have no ****** idea about what people are talking ITT. With the right mods, power evos and amps, and even without all of them, the Claymore can be an awesome castor weapon on some kits. And so are some others heavy weapons.

[Deerber]

Yeah, the play the gun thing is getting close to two years old now. 

 

I meant this particular discussion started from a joke. I doubt many, if any, actually believe the Claymore is a better caster weapon than the Arc Pistol. 

 

 

 

 

P.S. I like the sound of the Wraith 1st person. Don't tell anyone.

 

/raises hand

 

[TheNightSlasher]

@Awakened_Pyjak: Asari adept's 6a applies to heavy pistols only. And if you take ULM on claymore, you can't use smart choke which is a huge thing. You need to be close to the enemy to make sure all pellets hit. And pierce evo is quite useful IMO.

 

Take the wraith on the other hand - no need for ULM, meaning I can use smart choke and damage barrel (assuming weight glitching fails off host) with AP ammo. Smart choke on wraith makes it extremely accurate ensuring that nearly all pellets hit at a medium to long range. You can't guarantee that with a claymore, not on the AA atleast.

 

Once you balance out the recharge speeds, other factors like smart chokes, gimping overall weapon damage, reduced survivability (power recharge vs. cyclonic/adrenaline) come into picture.

[Beerfish]

What difference does it make? If someone wishes to play that way, that's their prerogative.

 

Note that I'm an advocate of power spam.

As I've said repeatedly it makes no difference how a person wishes to play a game everyone is free to play the way they wish.

 

If however a logical discussion is why use a certain class with a certain weapon combo then it is worth discussing why would you use a power class and then just wreck everything with a weapon.  It is akin to using a GI and not using tac cloak or hunter mode, occasionally firing off a mine and using a Venom to destroy every thing. (Which any one of a large number of great players on this site could very easily do.)

[Deerber]

 And if you take ULM on claymore, you can't use smart choke which is a huge thing. You need to be close to the enemy to make sure all pellets hit. And pierce evo is quite useful IMO.

 

 

Not arguing about the rest, but... You mean you need to take away the HVB, right?

[TheNightSlasher]

Not arguing about the rest, but... You mean you need to take away the HVB, right?

Well, HVB + warp/inc/disruptor ammo is another choice. I was saying that off host, the weight glitching may fail. So, I went with the 'hosting independent' damage barrel + AP ammo combo. Applies to both those shotguns - claymore and wraith.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

If however a logical discussion is why use a certain class with a certain weapon combo then it is worth discussing why would you use a power class and then just wreck everything with a weapon.

 

Because they want to. That should be enough.

[Deerber]

Well, HVB + warp/inc/disruptor ammo is another choice. I was saying that off host, the weight glitching may fail. So, I went with the 'hosting independent' damage barrel + AP ammo combo. Applies to both those shotguns - claymore and wraith.

 

Yeah sorry I wasn't clear. I meant that before taking off the smart choke, I'm gonna take off any other mod I have on. Hell, I'm even gonna take ammo off before I take the smart choke away XD

[Kislitsin]

I probably might repent getting back into this discussion this but what if:

1. I don't want to gimp my weapon damage output just to use 3-4 heavy weapons

2. Justicar, smashdept, collector adept benefit quite a bit from power amps - power recharge amp is a waste of gear. And I want my cyclonics for platinum.

3. Claymore, wraith, talon, paladin all take nearly equal amounts of skill.

1. Well, that was meant to balance things, before hurrdurr/talon/wraith were overbuffed.

2. VHA/Krodept on the other hand doesn't.

Justicar can use claymoar comfortable without PR amps, buble combo mechanics and stuff. I don't play prollector ("castor build") or smashdept to suggest anything, and I have never suggested to use claymoar with 'em.

3. Claymoar isn't hard to use. It's just its unforgiving 1shot nature (coupled with lack of powerspam to cover up the mistakes) makes things spicy

Among the guns you have listed, only the pally requires more aiming than others, cuz you need to headshot reliably to get the best out of it.

 

@Mega: don't forget to mention the women you have seduced in your virtual carreer.

[TheNightSlasher]

Yeah sorry I wasn't clear. I meant that before taking off the smart choke, I'm gonna take off any other mod I have on. Hell, I'm even gonna take ammo off before I take the smart choke away XD

Ya, I am with you. Smart choke is one of the best mods on pellet based shotguns. But if you want to use ULM, you can't use the smart choke. That was my point.

[Awakened_Pyjak]

@Awakened_Pyjak: Asari adept's 6a applies to heavy pistols only. And if you take ULM on claymore, you can't use smart choke which is a huge thing. You need to be close to the enemy to make sure all pellets hit. And pierce evo is quite useful IMO.
 
Take the wraith on the other hand - no need for ULM, meaning I can use smart choke and damage barrel (assuming weight glitching fails off host) with AP ammo. Smart choke on wraith makes it extremely accurate ensuring that all pellets hit at a medium to long range. You can't guarantee that with a claymore, not on the AA atleast.
 
Once you balance out the recharge speeds, other factors like smart chokes, gimping overall weapon damage come into picture.

I did not talk about the AA 6a passives, I know it's only for heavy pistols.

And my bad, I forgot you can't use both smart choke and ULM :s Still, cooldowns are far from 10s even without it. Agreed about the Wraith, it's a good weapon, and probably easier to use on power classes... but it doesn't mean it's impossible to use both something heavier and powers.

Anyway most of the time I use either the Kishock or the CSR on her, I don't even know why I posted ITT.

[TheNightSlasher]

Justicar can use claymoar comfortable without PR amps, buble combo mechanics and stuff. I don't play prollector ("castor build") or smashdept to suggest anything, and I have never suggested to use claymoar with 'em.

You should try them, they are excellent characters and a lot of fun.

It is my opinion that only when you play a caster collector adept, you fully realize how critical cooldown management is.

(Because all his CDs are long, you can hide the CD of one power within another and such).

[Deerber]

Ya, I am with you. Smart choke is one of the best mods on pellet based shotguns. But if you want to use ULM, you can't use the smart choke. That was my point.

 

Ah, I didn't know that XD You can tell I don't give a **** about CDs if I have a shotgun in hand XD

[capn233]

Ah, I didn't know that XD You can tell I don't give a **** about CDs if I have a shotgun in hand XD

 

Yeah it basically means that shotgun ULM is worthless on anything but the Venom, Graal, GPS, and Crusader.  And on most of those I would rather have spare clips or an omniblade to go with a barrel.

 

edit: oh I forgot the Reegar.

[Deerber]

Yeah it basically means that shotgun ULM is worthless on anything but the Venom, Graal, GPS, and Crusader.  And on most of those I would rather have spare clips or an omniblade to go with a barrel.

 

edit: oh I forgot the Reegar.

 

ULM is a mod I only ever used on pistols and SMGs. And just because when I was a noob, you could only use it on those XD

[Kislitsin]

Well, crusader somewhat benefits from ULM. Let's say you gonna use it on drelldept or any other grenadier (sans destroyer). You gonna hit dem ammoboxes more often, thus will never run out of ammo anyways. So it's better to have shorter CD on reave/incinerate/pylon/whatsoever, than no benefit at all.

[edit] only if you don't use HVB off course.

 

It also comes in handy on TSent sometimes: If you aren't willing to spec into 6a on TA, you can gain the same encumbrance reduction out of ULM crusader. Why is it so important? You better keep the CD's on OL and Warp less than 5 seconds, even better - to time it with reloads, this way you get the most out of those powers (i.e. you can warp the Atlas/Primey, unload the clip into his head/g-spot, overload the rest of the shields with debuff from warp, unload the next clip into the still debuffed and primed target).

[Turian Master Race]

Because they want to. That should be enough.

 

This is not their claim ...

[Turian Master Race]

OT: Claymoar is the best castor weapon, no contest.

 

 

Anyway, there's only one true caster weapons, and it's the CLAYMOAR

 

 

Claymore is definitely better than CSMG on a caster. 

 

You guys have the nerve spamming a thread on the arc pistol with claims like these, then crying like a little girl when someone dares to disagree with you ...

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

You guys have the nerve spamming a thread on the arc pistol with claims like these, then crying like a little girl when someone dares to disagree with you ...

 

They aren't entitled to have an opinion? 

[capn233]

You guys have the nerve spamming a thread on the arc pistol with claims like these, then crying like a little girl when someone dares to disagree with you ...

 

Hmmm.  What does my quote specifically say?  I stand by it, and didn't at any point "cry like a girl."

 

Looking forward to any evidence that CSMG only is better on any character w/o Incendiary Shenanigans^TM than the Claymore.  Additionally it is a humongous stretch to say that a statement comparing Claymore to one other weapon is the same as "Claymore is the best weapon on every character."

[Credit2team]

I'm sure if I looked around long enough I could find some Kislitsin or Redjohn quotes that say that.

this, and if not from them someone else from the cult of claymore

[Credit2team]

Still can't get where the kit players got those 10 sec CD's.
1. Spec passives, 4b and 6a(on some) make wonders.
2. Use power recharge amps
3. L2shoot
4. Scrubs.

see this is what I'm talking about, the cult of claymore continues to assert that anyone who doesn't play the game the way THEY want is a scrub

[Kislitsin]

You guys have the nerve spamming a thread on the arc pistol with claims like these, then crying like a little girl when someone dares to disagree with you ...

Humorisation, google it. If you are able to read, you might have found my post here, where I actually outline why exactly claymore is the worst choice in comparison with min/max hurri-talon-wraith-arc. You probably aren't, it's not the first time when you start/continue the discussion with the personal insult without even a slight attempt to comprehend the posts.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

this, and if not from them someone else from the cult of claymore

 

You pointed out that it happened in this thread, and are yet to provide evidence of any such quotes. I'm waiting...