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[TheKomandorShepard]

What is TKS even arguing this time?

About qunari technology being smiliar to our (not now in modern times but in human history)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There were many types of shis some cultures did have such type others didn't still it is only other kind of the ships nothing more...

 

Oh god technology their works like or smiliar in our world same in many other settings...  

Thank you for agreeing with me that their technology is like ours. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Thank you for agreeing with me that their technology is like ours. 

Well that was my point

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well that was my point

So what, we had the same idea but just said it differently? lol

[Zazzerka]

Good job, guys.

[Sylvianus]

Ugh Tallis. 

[wolfhowwl]

Getting back to Tallis, my impression my first time I played the DLC:

 

Tallis: "The Qun isn't all warriors.  It's farmers, craftsmen, people you wouldn't expect."

 

Me (mage Hawke): That's all well and good, but how about the way you treat mages?  Can't I say something?

 

Tallis: "The Qun have a vision of the way life should be."

 

Me: That vision would involve me having my lips and possibly eyes sown shut, as well as in chains.  You do realize that according to your beliefs, you could be slain for spending so much time talking to a mage.  

 

Me: Anything about demons being able to ride my very words?  Damn it game,  let me say something! 

 

Tallis: "A lot of innocent people will die."

 

Me: So, that's just sodding great.  As a mage, I'm not allowed to question this.      Let me try this as a Templar.  Perhaps I'll get a chance to at least agree with her.  

 

<returns some hours later, aggressive fully anti-mage pro-Templar, Templar spec>

 

Me: Okay, still nothing.  This seems like a big honking deal that the player can't comment on.  It just makes Tallis look like she's on the right no matter what.  I'm now very happy that I enjoyed the rest of the DLC, because this really stupid.   

 

If anything a Templar/hardline Andrastian character is just as laughable given the nature of the Chantry's conflict with the Qunari. Aggressive anti-Qunari pro-Templar Hawke doesn't really seem like the kind of person who would be anything other than happy that Qunari spies got killed.

 

The "innocent people" line really bothers me, because the Qun (even if we ignore the IRL horrific abuse of mages) has a lot of conduct and behaviour that we would consider to be egregious human rights violations, if not actual crimes against humanity. 

 

It's certainly jarring.

 

Spies aren't innocent and knowing just what the Qunari are, what they have done, and what they have threatened to do collateral damage is completely acceptable. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Spies aren't innocent and knowing just what the Qunari are, what they have done, and what they have threatened to do collateral damage is completely acceptable. 

Well some/many spies aren't spies anymore and list didn't recognize who is still spy and who isn't and even simple family members were on that list.

[JakeLeTDK]

I love Felicia Day, but I absolutely can't stand Tallis.

 

I think the reason is that I don't like MotA at all. A fan created character gets her own DLC? Not to mention the completely out of place and useless story. The way I see it, BioWare at that time knew that they f*cked up DA 2, and in the midst of criticism from fans, they desperately need to improve DA 2 Image. Felicia Day is very popular and well loved within gaming community, so when she came up with Tallis and that whole web series, they decide it will be a good advertisement. That's why they came up with the whole MotA thing. Just a desperate attempt to win back some love from fans by using a well loved celebrity's popularity. Something similar happen in ME 3 too with the whole Jessica Chobot / Diana Allers thing. Completely useless character got into the game purely for advertising purpose. 

 

It's just my theory anyway, maybe it's not true, maybe it is, we will never know. But that's how I feel about the whole MotA dlc.

Anyhow, please no more Tallis. I've had enough of her for the rest of my DA life.

[Grieving Natashina]

If anything a Templar/hardline Andrastian character is just as laughable given the nature of the Chantry's conflict with the Qunari. Aggressive anti-Qunari pro-Templar Hawke doesn't really seem like the kind of person who would be anything other than happy that Qunari spies got killed.

 

I usually played an aggressive Hawke that was anti-mage and anti-Qunari invasion, though not anti-Qun (so long as they stayed out of Kirkwall,) so I would have heard her out before deciding whether to kill Tallis or not.  I guess I never kicked it up to 11.     For those that did though, you bring up a great point.

 

 

 

It's certainly jarring.

 

Spies aren't innocent and knowing just what the Qunari are, what they have done, and what they have threatened to do collateral damage is completely acceptable. 

 

To be fair, she also mentioned people that left the Qun and are in hiding, and that the scroll wouldn't state which folks were active spies, and which were former Qun.  However, it could be because she thinks that they left the Qun, therefore it is the Qunari's duty (and no one else can dispense justice) to hunt down those runaways as they see fit.   That still isn't saving their lives, it's "giving them back to the Qun."  I'm betting whether they like it or not.

 

I don't know, a fair amount of Tallis' idealism ended up sounding like lip service to Hawke.  Plus, I felt like she spent much of the DLC talking up the Qun so much to cover up her own fears and doubts.  Never saw her movies, just going by what I saw in MotA.  

 

 I felt, and still feel like she was:

 

1) Using Hawke to gain the scroll back as well as take out her tutor as well as Gaspard.

 

2) Word budget aside that she deliberately ignored a mage Hawke's status just to get what she needed from him/her. 

 

3) So adamant that those innocents needing to be"saved" she actually wanted them to face Qunari justice later.  What, let outsiders, bas, punish those fallen from the Qun?  Yeah, right.

 

4) Using Hawke in a emotional way to convince herself that the Qun was truly the right and just path.  

 

Would I like to see a non Qunari member of the Qun again, to learn more about the non-warrior side of the culture?  I'll admit, I'm intrigued and I would enjoy that again.  

 

However, Tallis herself, after all of that?  If I saw her again in Inquisition, it would be very tough not to meta game and want to take her out.  

[NoForgiveness]

So ive been reading a lot of this  and a lot of what im seeing is that people don't like her because of her implementation and not her actual character. So my question is this: If she was in <insert DA game> as a full companion and implemented exactly the same as all the other companions and players are allowed to oppose her/ kick her off the team/whatever(don't say kill her because no companions are killable in this theoretical world) and she doesn't steal anymore spotlight then any other companion(see side note), would people still not like her?

 

I personally am indifferent about all the implementation things. For me it never got in the way of her character, which I like. Im also more supportive and less hateful of the qun then most, so that may have something to do with it...

 

Side note: I feel like when people say stuff this they should be saying "if I cant have the spotlight no one can! <insert evil laugh>"

[AppealToReason]

Tallis sucks assbutts.

 

I never want to see her again.

 

I didn't even know who Felicia Day was until after that trash DLC and now I can't enjoy another cute redhead of the world because Tallis is so awful

[Grieving Natashina]

So ive been reading a lot of this  and a lot of what im seeing is that people don't like her because of her implementation and not her actual character. So my question is this: If she was in <insert DA game> as a full companion and implemented exactly the same as all the other companions and players are allowed to oppose her/ kick her off the team/whatever(don't say kill her because no companions are killable in this theoretical world) and she doesn't steal anymore spotlight then any other companion(see side note), would people still not like her?

 

Personally, my current opinion would not have changed about Tallis and if anything, I could see myself disliking her more through longer term exposure. If she had been included as a full time character, she most likely would have acted like the Qun was the only right way to be.  Not to say that Hawke would have lacked the ability to debate with her on that, but that attitude gets old fast.  

 

I don't dislike Felicia Day, nor do I dislike what Tallis was supposed to do for the representation of another side of the Qun culture.  I didn't just dislike how she was utilized, I didn't like Tallis.

 

So instead of just two companions that would not have stopped talking about mages and Templars, I could have ended up a third that would have probably fought with them, if not with everyone else for disagreeing about the Qun.  At times, the rivalry happening between the companions got tiresome to hear as it was.   Also, she would most likely been the only one giving me a hard time for not giving up Isabela to the Arishok.  

 

Her near blind devotion to the Qun, coupled with the mage/templar theme, and the potential bickering between Fenris and Anders (neither of whom need the encouragement,) would have made her utterly unbearable.   Plus, her self-doubt I mentioned earlier could have gotten grating quickly, like Sebastian's back and forth about his royal duty. 

 

I can only speak for myself, but I would have tried to find an option to dismiss her as a result.  And I have never intentionally dismissed or killed a companion. _{Not even Anders.  Saw it once, and reloaded my game as soon as I could.}

[Felya87]

So ive been reading a lot of this  and a lot of what im seeing is that people don't like her because of her implementation and not her actual character. So my question is this: If she was in <insert DA game> as a full companion and implemented exactly the same as all the other companions and players are allowed to oppose her/ kick her off the team/whatever(don't say kill her because no companions are killable in this theoretical world) and she doesn't steal anymore spotlight then any other companion(see side note), would people still not like her?

 

I personally am indifferent about all the implementation things. For me it never got in the way of her character, which I like. Im also more supportive and less hateful of the qun then most, so that may have something to do with it...

 

Side note: I feel like when people say stuff this they should be saying "if I cant have the spotlight no one can! <insert evil laugh>"

 

Yes. if we had a way to really oppose to Tallis, and having the chance to see her having some flaw, than I would like her more. I'm personally fine with a character having moments of glory. I would hate my character having dumb companion just to have the protagonist look good (one of my most loved moments in DAO is the fort Drakon mission with the companions saving the Warden).

 

the problem in the DLC is exactly this: Tallis already have a central role (and in dedicated DLC is ok) but our Hawkes are dumbed to make her look better than she is. (and it was done everything to make her appear suuuuuuch a greeeeeeat badasssss character   during the intro I would have liked an Indiana Jones moment with someone putting an arrow in her skull, and stopping all that jumping around)

 

I don't think writers could have done so with a companion for all the game (at least, I hope... ) since the story was about Hawke. not Fabolous Tallis. Maybe in the actual game we could have opposed to her Qun-love, or at least make her see all the flaw it have.

 

I have nothing against Day. I din't even know who she was before coming on these forum. But I hate how Mary Sue is her character.

[Tommy6860]

Tallis sucks assbutts.

 

I never want to see her again.

 

I didn't even know who Felicia Day was until after that trash DLC and now I can't enjoy another cute redhead of the world because Tallis is so awful

 

If you're willing to dismiss a redhead/redheads because of a game, you probably were already inclined to do so. Redheads are HAWT, and FD is an incredibly cute redhead who portrayed a (IMO) terribly implemented DLC character that Tallis is in DA2.!

[NoForgiveness]

Personally, my current opinion would not have changed about Tallis and if anything, I could see myself disliking her more through longer term exposure. If she had been included as a full time character, she most likely would have acted like the Qun was the only right way to be.  Not to say that Hawke would have lacked the ability to debate with her on that, but that attitude gets old fast.  

 

I don't dislike Felicia Day, nor do I dislike what Tallis was supposed to do for the representation of another side of the Qun culture.  I didn't just dislike how she was utilized, I didn't like Tallis.

 

So instead of just two companions that would not have stopped talking about mages and Templars, I could have ended up a third that would have probably fought with them, if not with everyone else for disagreeing about the Qun.  At times, the rivalry happening between the companions got tiresome to hear as it was.   Also, she would most likely been the only one giving me a hard time for not giving up Isabela to the Arishok.  

 

Her near blind devotion to the Qun, coupled with the mage/templar theme, and the potential bickering between Fenris and Anders (neither of whom need the encouragement,) would have made her utterly unbearable.   Plus, her self-doubt I mentioned earlier could have gotten grating quickly, like Sebastian's back and forth about his royal duty. 

 

I can only speak for myself, but I would have tried to find an option to dismiss her as a result.  And I have never intentionally dismissed or killed a companion. _{Not even Anders.  Saw it once, and reloaded my game as soon as I could.}

 

I actually think she wouldn't care about mages or Templars because neither one involves the qun. And I feel like she generally has a not caring attitude about others not believing or following(or whatever) the qun, but this was  not really present because of how little content she had. But this does make a lot more sense then  that guy above you...
 

[TheChris92]

Nah I don't need Felicia Day starring as Felicia Day playing Felicia Day -- If we are gonna bring in some Joss Whedon actors/actresses then it let be Nathan Fillion.

[Wolfen09]

if she does come back, i would like the chance to convert her back to normal... damn qunari stealin all our red heads

[TKavatar]

God no. Tallis is just no.

You don't have a character showboating in combat in their first appearance, winking at someone before sliting their throat then crying over killing a non name guard later. That **** doesn't work.

She killed those people in self defense before they could kill her. No amount of talking was ever going to convince them to stop, they're Crows after all. The reason Tallis feels guilty about the guard is that she didn't want to do it, his death could have been prevented if he took her advice and just walked away.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I have no idea why people don't see why someone might act differently when killing a guard and killing a professional assassin. I also don't know know why people seem to be unable to remember that there is options to criticize the Qun in the DLC.

[Silcron]

I think there is a high possibility that she will be back, basically because MotA was the first part of a sort of trilogy of dlcs that got cancelled in order to start with DA:I earlier. I also think Gaider mentioned in his tumblr that those dlcs' stories would be in DA:I, though changed obviously.

 

Tbh that final scene when she scapes with the list didn't shout favoritism to me, it shouted plot hook. "New DA2 DLC, pursue Tallis, prevent the qunari spyes list from getting ot the qunari. Visit a new area near Par Vollen (Rivain? Maybe if you brought along Isabella you would discover the backstory shown in the comics?)" Plus I think her story is important, not on itself but because to me it looks like it's continuing what DA2's act 2 was doing: set the new Qunari Invasion, which is basically my prediction for DA4 (as was previously mentioned here).

 

As for siding against her, why would you at first? You agree to help her stole something, she does a lot, oh well, getting to do less and still get my cut? Sounds good to me. Then we learn about what was really going on and why can't we kill her? Because if we side against the qunari more than likely in the second or third instalment of that dlc series she would have been a boss fight. Think about it, character trying too hard to be likable to you with ulterior motives, betrayes you and gives you the slip with something you likely don't want her to (the list) you encounter her again and oh surprise, after some stuff happens (I see her more as dlc final bossfight) boss fight and character arc is finished.

[Ryzaki]

She killed those people in self defense before they could kill her. No amount of talking was ever going to convince them to stop, they're Crows after all. The reason Tallis feels guilty about the guard is that she didn't want to do it, his death could have been prevented if he took her advice and just walked away.

 

I suggest you watch that scene again. You can kill someone without showboating and having fun with it.

 

Also the guard was gonna kill her as well. Or have her captured so someone else could kill her so that's really not an excuse for the difference.

[LOLandStuff]

Here, let me bring up again the elf healer she stabbed near the heart for no good reason other than to see if he wasn't lying about being a healer.

[Divine Justinia V]

Ugh Tallis. 

 

hahaha je t'aime    (i hope i'm close hehehe)

 

I see this thread has gotten even better since I left!

Unfortunately, I don't think this is what OP intended when he made the thread. He's asking if we'll think she'll have an appearance/impact on the Inquisition. I think maybe we should stick to that because I haven't seen many answers to his question [including from myself]

 

OP - I can't really see how she'd have an impact on the Inquisition, do you think she would? If so, how? I imagine her role was pretty minor.

[TKavatar]

hahaha je t'aime (i hope i'm close hehehe)

I see this thread has gotten even better since I left!
Unfortunately, I don't think this is what OP intended when he made the thread. He's asking if we'll think she'll have an appearance/impact on the Inquisition. I think maybe we should stick to that because I haven't seen many answers to his question [including from myself]

OP - I can't really see how she'd have an impact on the Inquisition, do you think she would? If so, how? I imagine her role was pretty minor.

Yeah, maybe you guys should stick with the topic instead of going on and on about how much you hate her and want to stick her head on a spike. We get it already okay?

I'm not a Cullen fan but I'm also not barging into threads about him, complaining about him being in DAI and him taking up an LI spot. Just live and let live.

As for the OP, I don't think so. Maybe in DA4 if the Qunari invasion takes place. I think she'll be mentioned in some capacity but that's about it.