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I suggest you watch that scene again. You can kill someone without showboating and having fun with it.

 

Also the guard was gonna kill her as well. Or have her captured so someone else could kill her so that's really not an excuse for the difference.

The difference is that guard was hired to guard, the assassin was hired to kill.



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The difference is that guard was hired to guard, the assassin was hired to kill.

 

Then shouldn't she (especially being of the Qun) know and respect him doing his purpose? Letting her stroll right in and take what he's guarding is the exact opposite of his job.


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Eh, I didn't mind Tallis, and I thought the DLC was fun, but then my rogue was there to steal stuff, and according to Varric, stealing stuff from Orlesians isn't actually wrong anyway.



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A return of Tallis may be possible if there is some kind of political interaction with the Qunari. I would not be surprised if Tallis became the Kai Lang of Inquisition, and we have to chase her (unsuccessfully for the most part).

I must admit I would like more see her as an enemy than as an ally. It would make much more sense, and so I can hope to give the same treatment of Kai Lang  :devil:

 

I don't think it will ever happen (because I higtly doubt Day or the whriters would let us harm their precious Tallis) but I can't really see as anything but an enemy. If she is a forced ally, I would prefer she doesn't appear at all. <_<


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Then shouldn't she (especially being of the Qun) know and respect him doing his purpose? Letting her stroll right in and take what he's guarding is the exact opposite of his job.


She is not a cold blooded murderer. She didn't want that guy to die, it wasn't what she came to do. She wanted to stop needless death, not cause it.

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She is not a cold blooded murderer. She didn't want that guy to die, it wasn't what she came to do. She wanted to stop needless death, not cause it.

 

Yeah sorry but I'm having a hard time buying her having issues killing someone in self defense after the whole intro sequence. Especially in the clumsy way it was done.

 

Felt like LOOK LOOK she's sad for the poor guard! See! She's not as mean as the rest of the qunari!!!!

 

Not to mention the spies on that list would have caused plenty of needless death on their own if the Qunari ever invade. That alone has the whole I came her to stop death fall flat to me.


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I really do hope that i never has to face Tallis again, MotA did nothing to make me like her and if anything she just became annoying the longer i had to be with her



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As this thread shows, Tallis is not a popular character. I think, for this reason alone, she will probably not make a return.

 

But if she does then I think just being incorporated into the main game rather being the star of her own showcase DLC will probably fix Tallis' biggest problem - MarySue-ism.



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If we could've had choices with impacts then maybe she'd have had a reason to show up just to see the outcome of our decisions. But she takes the list no mater what. 

Let's just say a Hawke who threatened to kill her did actually manage to plant a dagger in her the way you can with Morrigan, but Tallis manages to escape by using a flash or smoke bomb or whatever, then she could end up bitter and distrustful of the Inquisitor. Something of the sorts. I don't know but it would've been better if Hawke was more than a doormat. 



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Then shouldn't she (especially being of the Qun) know and respect him doing his purpose? Letting her stroll right in and take what he's guarding is the exact opposite of his job.

Not really no. Had it been a Qunari guard, yes probably then. But I am purty sure the Orlesian guard wasn't a Qunari.



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Not really no. Had it been a Qunari guard, yes probably then. But I am purty sure the Orlesian guard wasn't a Qunari.

 

That doesn't mean she can't respect him doing his purpose. That's exactly what most of the Qunari we meet do for Hawke.


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I've noticed that most of the die-hard Tallis defenders seem to be Felicia Day fans more than anything else. They need to realise that people not liking the character is NOT an attack on Felicia Day.

 

Imo the character of Tallis doesn't make sense and is dangerously close to slipping into Mary Sue territory.


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As this thread shows, Tallis is not a popular character. I think, for this reason alone, she will probably not make a return.
 
But if she does then I think just being incorporated into the main game rather being the star of her own showcase DLC will probably fix Tallis' biggest problem - MarySue-ism.


The devs have said they don't care what a vocal group of fans might think. In fact Gaider said he was tempted to put her in the game just to troll her haters.

But yeah, Tallis does have some Mary Sueish qualities and I'm hoping a future game will fix them. I find her character to be interesting, and it would be a shame to waste that potential.
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The devs have said they don't care what a vocal group of fans might think. In fact Gaider said he was tempted to put her in the game just to troll her haters.

 

because that's very mature and professional


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That doesn't mean she can't respect him doing his purpose. That's exactly what most of the Qunari we meet do for Hawke.

First of all, who is to say that she DIDN'T respect him doing his DUTY (you have no way of knowing if 'guard' would be his purpose in the Qun)?

 

Second of all, no matter how much she respects him doing his duty, he is STILL in the way of her obtaining her goal.



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First of all, who is to say that she DIDN'T respect him doing his DUTY (you have no way of knowing if 'guard' would be his purpose in the Qun)?

 

Second of all, no matter how much she respects him doing his duty, he is STILL in the way of her obtaining her goal.

 

"You can succeed in your rule or deny and die." Trying to get him to abandon his role doesn't seem very respectful of him doing his job to me. Also his purpose in the Qun is irrelevant. He's guarding for the Duke. That's his job.

 

He was. Which is why she killed him. It's the whole "you can just ignore us." and then "He didn't have to die." thing that makes me facepalm. He was fulfilling his role as guard. She was fulfilling her role as thief. What the hell did she expect to happen? Him to turn around and go his merry way?

 

If she had knocked him unconscious and then Hawke decided to kill him then the whole he didn't have to die bit would actually fit. As it is...


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As much as the character grated on me in the dlc, having Tallis re-appear in DA:I (with her devotion to the Qun weakened by hawke exposure) as a side quest give or something would be good. She had the potential to be a really interesting character, bioware just kinda sh*t the bed on her delivery for a vocal group of fans(group size unknown)

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because that's very mature and professional

Shoving a Mary Sue character down Bioware fans' throat is going to guarantee a lot of love. Gaider failed to bring anything that could redeem Tallis and that's pretty telling.


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"You can succeed in your rule or deny and die." Trying to get him to abandon his role doesn't seem very respectful of him doing his job to me. Also his purpose in the Qun is irrelevant. He's guarding for the Duke. That's his job.

 

He was. Which is why she killed him. It's the whole "you can just ignore us." and then "He didn't have to die." thing that makes me facepalm. He was fulfilling his role as guard. She was fulfilling her role as thief. What the hell did she expect to happen? Him to turn around and go his merry way?

 

If she had knocked him unconscious and then Hawke decided to kill him then the whole he didn't have to die bit would actually fit. As it is...

AGAIN, since apparently this has a hard time getting through, him fulfilling his DUTY is worthy of respect, but it is not worth her giving up her goals of saving hundreds of others.

She could EASILY ask him to abbandon his duty, since that was not his duty to the QUN.



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Tallis is a self-insert which is creepy. It's like bad fanfiction where someone from the present gets magically teleported in the amazing world of Dragon Age and get to be all awesome.

Obviously then, you aren't aware was a collaboration between Gaider and Day from the very start. A collaboration suggested by BioWare, not Day. Whether it was Laidlaw, Darrah or Gaider, or someone else, I don't recall.

From what I do recall from various interviews surrounding the web-series and the DLC, she was reeling from the shock of being approached for it for quite a while. Tallis as a character was conceived by Day, but the rest was a collaboration. Like or dislike the character, but give credit where it's due: the initiative was from BioWare.



I can agree that the DLC ended somewhat ...off-key, but that's a minor issue. As for Hawke being a "just a bystander," or whatever... Well, no more so than the rest of DA2, barring perhaps Legacy, and I'd disagree emphatically on even that. And I'm not even going to touch into the apparently incessant need to kill every character they don't like.
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#271
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Then shouldn't she (especially being of the Qun) know and respect him doing his purpose? Letting her stroll right in and take what he's guarding is the exact opposite of his job.

You already no the respect with the Qun does not mean they let you live. The Arishok also respected Hawk to and he tried to kill you in a one on one duel.  Respect does not stop them from doing their duty.



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Shoving a Mary Sue character down Bioware fans' throat is going to guarantee a lot of love. Gaider failed to bring anything that could redeem Tallis and that's pretty telling.

But she's not a mary sue.



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"You can succeed in your rule or deny and die." Trying to get him to abandon his role doesn't seem very respectful of him doing his job to me. Also his purpose in the Qun is irrelevant. He's guarding for the Duke. That's his job.

 

He was. Which is why she killed him. It's the whole "you can just ignore us." and then "He didn't have to die." thing that makes me facepalm. He was fulfilling his role as guard. She was fulfilling her role as thief. What the hell did she expect to happen? Him to turn around and go his merry way?

 

If she had knocked him unconscious and then Hawke decided to kill him then the whole he didn't have to die bit would actually fit. As it is...

Right, Qunari spy who sneaks into a castle should just go up to a loyal  ORLISIAN guard and risk her mission by talk to him getting him to leave his station. That would work. <_<

You do understand the qunari is all about duty  and nearly going any lengths to do that duty, right? Says she killed him because of her duty with the qun is not an excuse.



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because that's very mature and professional

*Points to Liliana.

You really don't think he won't do it.



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She seemed more like a generally unlikeable and smug ******* than a mary sue. The plot railroading certainly didn't help.