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Varric is a prerequisite in the deep roads quest, is he favoured by the writers too? Huh, It would seem that way considering he's appearing a companion again in DAI.
I can still rival Varric. I can't even do that with Liara.
Not since ME1 anyways. I like her in ME1.
Ander's Had a clear explication. Oghren also is an example of character favoritism. Flemeth was stated from before the time you even try to kill her that death for her was just an in convince and she'll come back after anyway.
Anders could never join grey wardens and be send to the templars on death when justice could be never taken to the party still anders always is grey warden and meet justice... Ogrhen bio favorite haha thats good one how he is favorite... Seems that you desperately try justify tallis character that isn't even close to any other character or leliana as far you can kill leliana but you can kill tallis even if you tell her that you will kill her now and with her marry sue skills she control our protagonist to not to kill her...
In any case, what can you do about the favoritism? Lets say I agree with you. What do you want from this?
I haven't followed this whole thread, so I'm just wondering. Are you still going to buy DAI?
The augment was only to counter the argument that Tallis was favored. It not like I'm not going to buy the game because it has favored characters in it.
1. She clearly is not trying to convert him.
From another dialogue with Anders:
2. Do you not understand how contradictory the Qun is? That would be like saying because Sten did not try to control your Mage warden like a qunari Saarbas it proof he is not a follower of the qun.
Why would Sten be obligated to "try and control" a mage? That's not even his assigned role; he's Sten, not Arvaarad.
Anders could never join grey wardens and be send to the templars on death when justice could be never taken to the party still anders always is grey warden and meet justice... Ogrhen bio favorite haha thats good one how he is favorite... Seems that you desperately try justify tallis character that isn't even close to any other character or leliana as far you can kill leliana but you can kill tallis even if you tell her that you will kill her now and with her marry sue skills she control our protagonist to not to kill her...
Wrong. The templers were never going to kill him. Oghen was put in DAA just so people come have more time with him. Tallis at least is not artificially give an important role in the plot to have a reason for her there.
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The augment was only to counter the argument that Tallis was favored. It not like I'm not going to buy the game because it has favored characters in it.
Cool enough.
From another dialogue with Anders:
- Tallis: Haven't you ever looked at the world and wondered where the justice is? The equality?
- Tallis: In the Qun, everyone is welcome. Elves, humans. It doesn't matter what you look like, where you come from, there's a place for you
Why would Sten be obligated to "try and control" a mage? That's not even his assigned role; he's Sten, not Arvaarad.
1.The first part was a reaction to a question Ander's asked her. And that is true for all but mages.
2. Because those are the rules of the qun. The Arvaard's job is to control his own mages not other cultures mages. It that were true all the Arishok's Arvaarad would be storming the circle tower.
Wrong. The templers were never going to kill him. Oghen was put in DAA just so people come have more time with him. Tallis at least is not artificially give an important role in the plot to have a reason for her there.
Yes they were wanted deliver to justice for killing other templars... your character can even tell him to show mercy for him... As anders in da 2 doesn't mean that he is favorite... pretty much it was pulled because he was last companion (not counting loghain) so most players had little chance to know oghren.Yes she just use her marry sue skills to convince protagonist to help her steal jewel because well why not?Then she convince protagonist to not kill her with "are you sure?" please...
Yes they were wanted deliver to justice for killing other templars... your character can even tell him to show mercy for him... As anders in da 2 doesn't mean that he is favorite... pretty much it was pulled because he was last companion (not counting loghain) so most players had little chance to know oghren.Yes she just use her marry sue skills to convince protagonist to help her steal jewel because well why not?Then she convince protagonist to not kill her with "are you sure?" please...
Yes they were wanted deliver to justice for killing other templars... your character can even tell him to show mercy for him... As anders in da 2 doesn't mean that he is favorite... pretty much it was pulled because he was last companion (not counting loghain) so most players had little chance to know oghren.Yes she just use her marry sue skills to convince protagonist to help her steal jewel because well why not?Then she convince protagonist to not kill her with "are you sure?" please...
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Rylock
^That clearly point out they only want to arrest him. The show of mercy was not about sparing him from being killed. And no Tallis is far from being a mary sue. A mary sue does not have the entire cast disagree with her beliefs.
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2. Because those are the rules of the qun. The Arvaard's job is to control his own mages not other cultures mages. It that were true all the Arishok's Arvaarad would be storming the circle tower.
I'm still unclear on Arvaraad's job. He says his job is control mages, but also "bas who have not yet been enlightened." I take it he's an enforcer against anything foreign or evil.
At least I could stab them and be a total **** to them.
At least I could stab them and be a total **** to them.
You still can be a dick to Tallis. You just can't stab her.
That wasn't Tallis being a Mary Sue, that was plot armour. Loads of other characters have it, Leliana, Morrigan, Corypheus, Anders...
are they all Mary Sues too?
Haha and when that character reduced of our protagonist to 60? Please those character had plot armour however they didn't made everyone moron to look cool like with tallis...
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Rylock
^That clearly point out they only want to arrest him. The show of mercy was not about sparing him from being killed. And no Tallis is far from being a mary sue. A mary sue does not have the entire cast disagree with her beliefs.
That is wiki there everyone can write something there not wog pretty much rylock said that she want deliver "justice" to anders for killing templars... Yes she only enforce her will on everyone has last word and you can't oppose her...
I have no idea why people don't see why someone might act differently when killing a guard and killing a professional assassin. I also don't know know why people seem to be unable to remember that there is options to criticize the Qun in the DLC.
Yes, you can criticize the Qun, as I have already said. What you can't do is question (or agree with) the role of mages in the Qun to Tallis, and that bothers me. In a game that almost never shuts up about the two groups, you'd figure that you could say something to a member of a group that has the most harsh treatment of mages.
I actually think she wouldn't care about mages or Templars because neither one involves the qun. And I feel like she generally has a not caring attitude about others not believing or following(or whatever) the qun, but this was not really present because of how little content she had. But this does make a lot more sense then that guy above you...
This is all speculation, but I think she would care about mages I think, due to their very strict role in the Qun. Mages are not even allowed to speak, since "demons could ride their very words." Even as something as strict as the Gallows would be insufficient in the eyes of the Qun, since demons could still be lurking behind the mages' words. 
Now, gaining control of the mages would be a role in the Qun, just not hers. I could see her spending time trying to convince Hawke that the Qun is just "going to help those poor people." How she would justify that to a mage Hawke, I don't know. That's another theory I have as to why they didn't give the player the option to question Tallis; she wouldn't have had good answers for Hawke's questions.
I'm still unclear on Arvaraad's job. He says his job is control mages, but also "bas who have not yet been enlightened." I take it he's an enforcer against anything foreign or evil.
Actually he says “My role is to hold the leash(referring to the Saarebas) and hunt the gray ones who leave the Qun. Or bas who have not yet been enlightened.” so he hunts those who oppose the Qun, such as the assassination of Sister Petrice or going after the Tal Vashoth, and oversees the Saarebas and kills them if he deems them to be corrupted or in the case of Ketojan being away from an Arvaarad for too long as it could mean the Saarebas is corrupted.
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Actually he says “My role is to hold the leash(referring to the Saarebas) and hunt the gray ones who leave the Qun. Or bas who have not yet been enlightened.” so he hunts those who oppose the Qun, such as the assassination of Sister Petrice or going after the Tal Vashoth, and oversees the Saarebas and kills them if he deems them to be corrupted or in the case of Ketojan being away from an Arvaarad for too long as it could mean the Saarebas is corrupted.
"Bas who have not yet been enlightened" sounds more broad than Sister Petrice or Tal Vashoth. It sounds "proactive" rather than merely defensive against opposition.
I could be an old Ferelden hermit, not bothering anyone, and I'd still qualify as "bas who has not been enlightened".
"Bas who have not yet been enlightened" sounds more broad than Sister Petrice or Tal Vashoth. It sounds "proactive" rather than defensive against opposition.
I could be an old Ferelden hermit, not bothering anyone, and I'd still qualify as "bas who has not been enlightened".
It does sound very broad, and it could actually be that broad, but considering the only two occasions we see an Arvaraad in action(excluding when they try to take over Kirkwall), is in the case of Sister Petrice and the Saarebas, this makes me think that they probably don't just go around killing random hermits as they can be brought into the Qun and the Qunari hate to waste resources such as people.
But as there isn't any direct proof either way in the lore, it's hard to say for definite what the extent of their role is.
Haha and when that character reduced of our protagonist to 60? Please those character had plot armour however they didn't made everyone moron to look cool like with tallis...
That is wiki there everyone can write something there not wog pretty much rylock said that she want deliver "justice" to anders for killing templars... Yes she only enforce her will on everyone has last word and you can't oppose her...
1. So Verric is a mary sue because we don't have the option to kill him?
2.Don't even try that. The wiki is go over with a fine tooth comb. Any info put in has to have valid proof supporting it or it's erased. Sorry, try agein. If the wiki says it, it's in the game, if it does not it's not.
Sorry but nothing is ever stated they were going to execute Ander's.
I think most people can agree that the moral of this thread is: PIS (plot induced stupidity) is not easily forgiven by fans.
1. So Verric is a mary sue because we don't have the option to kill him?
2.Don't even try that. The wiki is go over with a fine tooth comb. Any info put in has to have valid proof supporting it or it's erased. Sorry, try agein. If the wiki says it, it's in the game, if it does not it's not.
Sorry but nothing is ever stated they were going to execute Ander's.
Marry sue because she makes everyone retarded to make her look her smart pretty much in the end we can say that we can kill her but all she says "are you sure" and we don't pretty much marry sue that bends world to her will (not to the point god-mode sue but normal marry sue)
2.LoL there is no any info you dude beside writen by player entry in wiki pretty much she said she want deliver justice to anders and she wanted break the law that says the can't touch grey warden mage and even go as far to kill grey warden commander so what she wanted kill grey wardens to stroke in the head plase.... so if i will write in wiki that anders was a god anders is a god ok...
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I easily forgive a lot of it actually. I notice it, but forgive it. I'm the opposite with Mass Effect, for some reason. I think with Dragon Age, there's a whole world of events that easily distract me. No single plot will drag me down.
I easily forgive a lot of it actually. I notice it, but forgive it. I'm the opposite with Mass Effect, for some reason. I think with Dragon Age, there's a whole world of events that easily distract me. No single plot will drag me down.
I'm kind of the same myself. It's odd and I couldn't tell you why I feel that way. Might have something do with how Mass Effect is so tied together as a trilogy whereas Dragon Age is more 'standalone', so to speak.
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Is that a fault with the character or the story in general though? DA2 suffers a lot from railroading and PIS.
Characters... for the most part. Particularly protagonists.
I'm not saying PCs should be the all mighty omnipotent ones of preparation, but keeping PIS within character is a reasonable request. Like a stubborn or prideful character refusing help when clearly outnumbered. An Aggressive Hawke allowing Tallis to leave with the Qunari NOClist is one of many moments of out of character PIS.
Varric stabbing Gascard Du Puis in the throat is a great subversion of PIS, because his character is consistently presented as being exceptionally genre savvy. Another is Merril following through with her Eluvian despite the consequences, because she believes the rewards outweigh the risks.
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