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?? You missed his sermon that women are priest, shopkeepers and artisans and not warriors?

 

Priests are allowed to fight. The Ben-Hassrath are part of the priesthood. It's less about gender and more about societal role. Women are only not permitted in the Antaam (army). That doesn't mean women aren't allowed to fight. Priests are allowed to fight, some (or most) of which are women. This is why Sten asks Morrigan and Lelianna if they're priests. If they were he would not be conflicted about fighting along side them. And Sten advocates that women join the militia during the siege of Redcliffe.

 

It's not about gender, it's about role.


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Tallis had the best body of annny elf! Put her ass in the game Bioware!



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Priests are allowed to fight. The Ben-Hassrath are part of the priesthood. It's less about gender and more about societal role. Women are only not permitted in the Antaam (army). That doesn't mean women aren't allowed to fight. Priests are allowed to fight, some (or most) of which are women. This is why Sten asks Morrigan and Lelianna if they're priests. If they were he would not be conflicted about fighting along side them. And Sten advocates that women join the militia during the siege of Redcliffe.

It's not about gender, it's about role.

Granted. So Talis is a priest then? Genuine curiosity as I dont pretend to be a qunari expert.
And I dont hate her btw because I've no strong opinion on da2 as a whole inc Tallis.

Jusy thought it was Sten and not the cake was the lie.

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Priests are allowed to fight. The Ben-Hassrath are part of the priesthood. It's less about gender and more about societal role. Women are only not permitted in the Antaam (army). That doesn't mean women aren't allowed to fight. Priests are allowed to fight, some (or most) of which are women. This is why Sten asks Morrigan and Lelianna if they're priests. If they were he would not be conflicted about fighting along side them. And Sten advocates that women join the militia during the siege of Redcliffe.

 

It's not about gender, it's about role.

 

Yeh the Ben-Hassrath are like police and I guess because the Qunari religion is also their society they view that role as "protecting the faith" therefore they are priests. Police aren't warriors but they can fight if they must. 

 

Tallis tries to avoid violence as much as possible throughout MOTA probably because it's not really her role to fight unless she feels like she must, she just has to solve the problem. So she's not really as much of a contradiction as some say she is. 



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Priests are allowed to fight. The Ben-Hassrath are part of the priesthood. It's less about gender and more about societal role. Women are only not permitted in the Antaam (army). That doesn't mean women aren't allowed to fight. Priests are allowed to fight, some (or most) of which are women. This is why Sten asks Morrigan and Lelianna if they're priests. If they were he would not be conflicted about fighting along side them. And Sten advocates that women join the militia during the siege of Redcliffe.

 

It's not about gender, it's about role.

 

Very good point. If BW would go ahead and deconstruct people's superficial notions about the Qun further by going into it in such detail, I'd be all for it.

 

Do they need to reintroduce Tallis for that? While I personally did not mind her, unlike most people here, getting hold of Felicia Day may not be quite readily possible. And presenting a different Ben-Hassrath agent whose character takes qualms people expressed about Tallis into account may even be to the better.

 

At any rate, the less the Qun is shown as one-sided "evul fantasy-Stalinism" as some would have it, the better.



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I'm neutral about her, didn't dislike her and didn't see my Hawke acting like an idiot as many people say here.

Thanks to Tallis, i learned more about the Qun and in general and i found her views interesting.... only the ending left me with a 'that's it?'.

 

Honestly... i really don't get the hate she gets. Because she 'stole' a companion slot? Because of 'favoritism'? Because of Felicia Day?

(didn't bother to read enough posts here though)

 

Likewise. I thought the DLC was fun and Tallis seemed like a harmless enough character, Qun or not, and I wanted to screw with the Orlesians.


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Very good point. If BW would go ahead and deconstruct people's superficial notions about the Qun further by going into it in such detail, I'd be all for it.

 

Do they need to reintroduce Tallis for that? While I personally did not mind her, unlike most people here, getting hold of Felicia Day may not be quite readily possible. And presenting a different Ben-Hassrath agent whose character takes qualms people expressed about Tallis into account may even be to the better.

 

At any rate, the less the Qun is shown as one-sided "evul fantasy-Stalinism" as some would have it, the better.

 

It's not evil fantasy Stalinism. It's collectivist. Enforced through totalitarianism. If anything, it might appeal more to pure communists (at best). Not Stalin per se.

 

That still doesn't make cool in my book though. I'm libertarian (not "Libertarian party" btw). There's nothing that will change the mind of someone already set on libertarianism, except maybe outside/real world reasons. No amount of clever game writing will do it. I can barely even stand feeling connected to smaller units, like families. Fat chance it'll extend to entire societal planning. That's ****** insane. I'd probably end up one of those poor bastards shoved off to menial work in the mines in the Qun society. To each my uppity "individualistic" ass a lesson. That's all I have to hope for in a scenario like that.

 

Tallis is different. She's a lame example of a Qunari. Kind of reminds me of this Mormon who came to my house to preach and I got him to admit some doubt in his ideas.

 

I also don't understand the big need for "meaning" and purpose. Get a ****** hobby. Learn the piano, read, go outside, stop thinking so much about your place in the world and just do things. Take it as it comes. To me, that's life. Life isn't predefined, purpose isn't clear.

 

edit: Sorry for the rant :rolleyes:



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i bet you see her doing the uh oh.



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Did you hate Sten as well? Did you try to kill him and make him leave?

This goes out to all people who dislike Tallis because of the Qun.

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Just want to make clear that I don't like Tallis because of Tallis, and not because she's viddathari.



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Did you hate Sten as well? Did you try to kill him and make him leave?

This goes out to all people who dislike Tallis because of the Qun.

 

Depends on the character. I can't find a good reason to recruit him on my human. He's not big on redemption and child murderers.

 

I like Sten though. He's funny at least.

 

I never said I disliked Tallis because of the Qun though. Her convictions are kind of weak for a follower of the Qun. She seems more like a general soul searching type of person.



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Depends on the character. I can't find a good reason to recruit him on my human. He's not big on redemption and child murderers.
 
I like Sten though. He's funny at least.
 
I never said I disliked Tallis because of the Qun though. Her convictions are kind of weak for a follower of the Qun. She seems more like a general soul searching type of person.


That is what she is though.

I'll direct you to this excellent post by durasteel : http://forum.bioware...dra/?p=15835572

Yes, she might have some Mary Sue qualities. I didn't like the fact that Hawke just stood there while Tallis walked away. But that's a problem with the story railroading you, not a fault of the character. I find her really interesting despite all her flaws.

YMMV of course.

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That is what she is though.

I'll direct you to this excellent post by durasteel : http://forum.bioware...dra/?p=15835572

Yes, she might have some Mary Sue qualities. I didn't like the fact that Hawke just stood there while Tallis walked away. But that's a problem with the story railroading you, not a fault of the character. I find her really interesting despite all her flaws.

YMMV of course.

 

I don't think she's a Mary Sue myself. That's other people in this thread.

 

Just saying. Not sure if you're mistaking me for someone else. I said earlier that I think I got to say just about everything I wanted to her. Except it fails on mage related areas. I don't want to stab her or anything. But I do understand that people do.



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I don't think she's a Mary Sue myself. That's other people in this thread.

Just saying. Not sure if you're mistaking me for someone else. I said earlier that I think I got to say just about everything I wanted to her. Except it fails on mage related areas. I don't want to stab her or anything. But I do understand that people do.


No, I'm just talking in general.

I can understand why people want to stab her. I just find it silly that some folks hate her because of her face. How very shallow of them.

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Meh. Wasn't really a fan.

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No, I'm just talking in general.

I can understand why people want to stab her. I just find it silly that some folks hate her because of her face. How very shallow of them.

 

People being shallow? Lies..

I actually really liked her character, and I wouldn't mind if she appeared in DAI.