Arcane Horror is optional. Wyverns could have been optional too if she put her ninja acrobatics to what is really needed and not to show off, but to jump over the gates.
If she could open a heavy metal gate then what's a lousy wooden door to her?
And the way she took the list she might as well have continued running instead of staying there. But nooo! She had to rub it in your face how awesome.
I'm not bring the modern age into the argument. I'm say the argument of a middle ground has been done in the past for many religions.
And Yes it's far to compare it to a mass because this is an argument of religious practices. Many people have have different beliefs to how they fallow their religion and going to mass is under the same concept. There are christians who do believe not going to mass means you're not really a christian or if you have different view of things. That the same arguement you are using. It's not different from a baptist saying because a person is catholic they are not really a christian.
It's not a matter about what random "Christians" are saying. The religion while based upon some, wasn't created by oral traditions. How can you compare the excommunication (and subsequent murder) that follows when you deny the Qun to not going to mass one sunday and have the option to repent for it the next. You either don't understand the principle of the religion or you make half assed comments because you asnwer to 20 different people at the same time.
Arcane Horror is optional. Wyverns could have been optional too if she put her ninja acrobatics to what is really needed and not to show off, but to jump over the gates.
If she could open a heavy metal gate then's what a lousy wooden door to her?
And the way she took the list she might as well have continued running instead of staying there. But nooo! She had to rub it in your face how awesome.
I'll give you the arcane Horror but Wyvern were far from optional. Nothing she shown in cutscene even remotely shows she can fight a wyrvern on her own, much less 3-4. And she lock picked that iron door.
It's not a matter about what random "Christians" are saying. The religion while based upon some, wasn't created by oral traditions. How can you compare the excommunication (and subsequent murder) that follows when you deny the Qun to not going to mass one sunday and have the option to repent for it the next. You either don't understand the principle of the religion or you make half assed comments because you asnwer to 20 different people at the same time.
Because our religions did the same thing as the qun as well. Hell, the even recorded plenty of case like it in the bible. We had wars over it. Then over time it got less extreme. If you are going to argue about the principles of religion than you lost my point. You not getting that for the past 1000's of year's we were just doing that and kill each other for that. Heck, it even use to be illegal not to go to mass. So yes it is very valid to compare going to mass with fallowing the qun.
What I'm trying to say is that she could have done everything by herself. Like climbing the castle's walls instead of going through the front door. If she managed to picklock an iron gate, then she should've been able to do the same with a wooden door. I'm pretty sure that if I have a dungeon under my castle, I'd make sure the cells' gates would be harder to open than a kitchen door.
You weren't needed for your skills really, it's like she was looking for a groupie.
God no. Tallis is just no.
You don't have a character showboating in combat in their first appearance, winking at someone before sliting their throat then crying over killing a non name guard later. That **** doesn't work.
What I'm trying to say is that she could have done everything by herself. Like climbing the castle's walls instead of going through the front door. If she managed to picklock an iron gate, then she should've been able to do the same with a wooden door. I'm pretty sure that if I have a dungeon under my castle, I'd make sure the cells' gates would be harder to open than a kitchen door.
You weren't needed for your skills really, it's like she was looking for a groupie.
The fornt door was not wooden. And she clearly could not if she need Hawk'S help.
God no. Tallis is just no.
You don't have a character showboating in combat in their first appearance, winking at someone before sliting their throat then crying over killing a non name guard later. That **** doesn't work.
Also ninja acrobatics in cutscenes, unless the character is some kind of Jedi, are incredibly lame.
It was silly in Kasumi's DLC and it was silly with Tallis. At least with Kasumi however, Shepard isn't reduced to an incompetent and muzzled supporting character.
Because our religions did the same thing as the qun as well. Hell, the even recorded plenty of case like it in the bible. We had wars over it. Then over time it got less extreme. If you are going to argue about the principles of religion than you lost my point. You not getting that for the past 1000's of year's we were just doing that and kill each other for that. Heck, it even use to be illegal not to go to mass. So yes it is very valid to compare going to mass with fallowing the qun.
Oh my... I gave you a comparison that leads to death and you dismissed it as less relevant, you give me ample examples of offenses that led to death and religious cleansing WHICH QUNARI DO and again dismiss as secondary , and go back to mass where you could by a ****** absolution paper and you were a good christian again and again and again.. I seriously don't understand you.
SO TO GET BACK ON TRACK
The point here, which you keep missing, AND THE REASON I SAID IN BOLD LETTERS THAT RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION IS IRRELEVANT, is that Qunari deal with Heretics with EXTREME PREJUDICE (as Christians did with HERETICS, and currently with SUICIDE), and TALLIS, the hypocrite, OFFENDS THE QUN ALL THE TIME, but because she is so AWESOME AND UNIQUE AND WOW she gets pardoned and even reinstated, and then proceed to dance around and be awesome for a whole DLC. And that's the reason I said that THIS CHARACTER IS MESSED UP AND MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL. Which you DIRECTLY responded that she speaks different to the DEFECT VASHOTH, WHICH I SAID THAT I DON'T THINK YOUR POINT IS VALID. And that's my current stance and my opinion on the matter. And even if Tallis wants to be different and find the silver lining, the Qunari should have excecuted her a long time ago for offenses and disregard of direct orders of the ariqun.
So unless you have something to add I'm out of this conversation.
I'm not mad or anything, but I highlighted my points cause we dance around secondary topics all the time. So all my arguements are in caps for better reading.
Also ninja acrobatics in cutscenes, unless the character is some kind of Jedi, are incredibly lame.
It was silly in Kasumi's DLC and it was silly with Tallis. At least with Kasumi however, Shepard isn't reduced to an incompetent and muzzled supporting character.
Yeah the ninja antics didn't bother me because DA2 had worse Meredith's lightsaber sword among them so I was pretty whatever. It's the whole characterization whiplash that made me facepalm.
Agreed.
The worst thing is Hawke can threaten to kill her and not even attempt to do so. It'd be one thing if he/she lunged and injured Tallis and she managed to escape barely with the scroll. Fine. Instead Hawke just naval gazes.
Oh my... I gave you a comparison that leads to death and you dismissed it as less relevant, you give me ample examples of offenses that led to death and religious cleansing WHICH QUNARI DO and again dismiss as secondary , and go back to mass where you could by a ****** absolution paper and you were a good christian again and again and again.. I seriously don't understand you.
SO TO GET BACK ON TRACK
The point here, which you keep missing, AND THE REASON I SAID IN BOLD LETTERS THAT RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION IS IRRELEVANT, is that Qunari deal with Heretics with EXTREME PREJUDICE (as Christians did with HERETICS, and currently with SUICIDE), and TALLIS, the hypocrite, OFFENDS THE QUN ALL THE TIME, but because she is so AWESOME AND UNIQUE AND WOW she gets pardoned and even reinstated, and then proceed to dance around and be awesome for a whole DLC. And that's the reason I said that THIS CHARACTER IS MESSED UP AND MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL. Which you DIRECTLY responded that she speaks different to the DEFECT VASHOTH, WHICH I SAID THAT I DON'T THINK YOUR POINT IS VALID. And that's my current stance and my opinion on the matter. And even if Tallis wants to be different and find the silver lining, the Qunari should have excecuted her a long time ago for offenses and disregard of direct orders of the ariqun.
So unless you have something to add I'm out of this conversation.
I'm not mad or anything, but I highlighted my points cause we dance around secondary topics all the time. So all my arguements are in caps for better reading.
1. My argument is based of religious practices in the past. The fact that the chathicals went to war with the prodistants over how to fallow the same religion proves my point. You're not understand that I'm say the people over time practices their religion differently based on location and culture over time. All I'm saying is your point is not different then people who judge and attack other people who practice the same religion in a different way. I'm not say what makes a good christian, I'm describing how they think.
2.You are also missing the point that she is a spy who's job is to mix in with the rest of thedus culture. It would be understand able that spy can bend the rules of the qun to do their job.
It's not a matter about what random "Christians" are saying. The religion while based upon some, wasn't created by oral traditions. How can you compare the excommunication (and subsequent murder) that follows when you deny the Qun to not going to mass one sunday and have the option to repent for it the next. You either don't understand the principle of the religion or you make half assed comments because you asnwer to 20 different people at the same time.
I don't think you should bring up "half-arsed", when you can't even be bothered yourself with making a simily using actually similar situations. Sweep in front of your own door first.
Welcome to video games.
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1. My argument is based of religious practices in the past. The fact that the chathicals went to war with the prodistants over how to fallow the same religion proves my point. You're not understand that I'm say the people over time practices their religion differently based on location and culture over time. All I'm saying is your point is not different then people who judge and attack other people who practice the same religion in a different way. I'm not say what makes a good christian, I'm describing how they think.
2.You are also missing the point that she is a spy who's job is to mix in with the rest of thedus culture. It would be understand able that spy can bend the rules of the qun to do their job.
1. The problem with the schisms is that the people that follow the religion are heretics to one another. You said that people coexisted through the religions and I said that they didn't really. Not until MUCH later. People evolve and become more liberal as ages go by because they have better education and understand that religion is about faith and not about doing what someone fancy looking guy tells you to do. What I missed is that we actually agreed in our religious debate but it took the last post to understand it. Missing mass was forgivable because that's what christianism is supposedly about. Forgiving. It has a very clear stance on most sins, and missing mass is forgivable (which is something that they capitalized on in the past to sell absolution for a price). Commiting suicide was and still is one of the most important offenses and the church has to excommunicate you and you are denied heaven, there is no debating this. And that's why I chose this sin, cause there is no debating it. I can't understand why you dismissed it since Qunari do the same thing when someone denies the Qun.
2. I'm not talking about speaking to Hawke even if he is a mage. I understand that Tallis has to do things to maintain cover. But in her history, she disregarded direct order not to kill someone cause she wanted revenge for her friend. I don't see how the Qunari would make an exception for such weakness and on top of that reinstate her after a while, and the first thing she does is to defy the Ariqun again and go on a mission to save people that the Ariqun deemed not important. Add to that the fact that I don't like what writers did with it. And that's it.
poor excuse to do something outright ridiculous and beyond human capabilities in smiliar reality our...
Have you not played dragon age?
Have you not played dragon age?
i played and i don't remember peoples flying or jumping 10 meters up backward ups there is tallis....
That really does not matter. The only issue is if it came from no where at all. You could say Garrus has plot armor as well for the same point when he was recruited. Sorry, but unless it has no reasoning for the character to be save for the scene it's not plot armor.
He did
I may not like Tallis, but I have nothing against Felicia Day. I think she's an alright actress. I don't get her appeal, but to each their own.
She speaks to a Saarebas, which is an execution worthy offence.
Yeeeea....it was kind of awkward for my Mage Hawke there while Tallis waxed poetic about the Qun.
Agreed, to both. I was left feeling like, "You're content to ignore my status as a mage because it'll help you get what you want." I'm putting that on the writers, and not the character, but it didn't help endear Tallis to me.
Also, can we please not talk about RL religion in here? It tends to go badly. 
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Let's not forget that Tallis wasn't even the only party member in DA2 whom you couldn't one up or tell off. Aveline comes to mind, she basically blames you for the increase of crime in Kirkwall (or at least suspects you), displays a bitter attitude at your success from the expedition. She's allowed to betray you in the fade about Wesley and when confronted about it afterward she acts totally indignant about it "Yea so? Your point??" It's perfectly okay for her to vent out her frustrations on Hawke for every irk that she encounters as captain of the guard but is Hawke allowed to tell her off for basically allowing Leandra to die? Nope. She acts even more indignant and belligerent than after the fade-demon encounter. Oh and Aveline was a permanent companion whom you had to deal with from time to time, and as much as I like her character I absolutely despise the obvious double-standard set up between her and Hawke; it's perfectly okay to throw the blame on Kirkwall's crime onto Hawke, it's perfectly okay to blame Hawke for losing Wesley however it's not okay to at least pin partial responsibility for Quentin and Leandra on Aveline and the guard (who basically said that the white lily murders was a waste of time) go figure.
You guys do realise she doesn't just jump backwards onto the wall, right? She uses an explosive to propel herself. She throws something down, there's a noise, and dirt flies up as she does it.
I thought the DLC had problems, but as someone said much earlier in the thread it was hard given the context to take it seriously. I would like to see Tallis in future games if they make the character a little more serious and the interactions less storylike. I personally don't have a problem with not being able to kill characters, and I think in future games there should be characters who are talented enough in their own right to fend off the PC.
You guys do realise she doesn't just jump backwards onto the wall, right? She uses an explosive to propel herself. She throws something down, there's a noise, and dirt flies up as she does it.
I thought the DLC had problems, but as someone said much earlier in the thread it was hard given the context to take it seriously. I would like to see Tallis in future games if they make the character a little more serious and the interactions less storylike. I personally don't have a problem with not being able to kill characters, and I think in future games there should be characters who are talented enough in their own right to fend off the PC.
Yeah even better now she is immune to explosion... what she is demoman from TF 2 crap even he wasn't immune... and didn't know that "explosion" that barely did anything have so much power to throw you 10 meters up...
Yeah even better now she is immune to explosion... what she is demoman from TF 2 crap even he wasn't immune... and didn't know that "explosion" that barely did anything have so much power to throw you 10 meters up...
Nah. She's not the Demoman. She's a Soldier equipped with the http://wiki.teamfort...i/Rocket_Jumper Rocket Jumper.
Nah. She's not the Demoman. She's a Soldier equipped with the http://wiki.teamfort...i/Rocket_Jumper Rocket Jumper.
That would explain a lot she went to wrong game 
Yeah even better now she is immune to explosion... what she is demoman from TF 2 crap even he wasn't immune... and didn't know that "explosion" that barely did anything have so much power to throw you 10 meters up...
I'm not saying it was perfect, but it's a bit different to saying she jumped. If it turns out the Qunari aren't capable of creating such explosives, fair enough. But we don't know anything about their technological capabilities.
Let's not forget that Tallis wasn't even the only party member in DA2 whom you couldn't one up or tell off. Aveline comes to mind, she basically blames you for the increase of crime in Kirkwall (or at least suspects you), displays a bitter attitude at your success from the expedition. She's allowed to betray you in the fade about Wesley and when confronted about it afterward she acts totally indignant about it "Yea so? Your point??" It's perfectly okay for her to vent out her frustrations on Hawke for every irk that she encounters as captain of the guard but is Hawke allowed to tell her off for basically allowing Leandra to die? Nope. She acts even more indignant and belligerent than after the fade-demon encounter. Oh and Aveline was a permanent companion whom you had to deal with from time to time, and as much as I like her character I absolutely despise the obvious double-standard set up between her and Hawke; it's perfectly okay to throw the blame on Kirkwall's crime onto Hawke, it's perfectly okay to blame Hawke for losing Wesley however it's not okay to at least pin partial responsibility for Quentin and Leandra on Aveline and the guard (who basically said that the white lily murders was a waste of time) go figure.
Aveline doesn't even look into reports that her own guards are rapists, why would we expect her to look into this?
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