And it shows she ascribes the same mentality to humans, and not an inherent failing of aliens
And where do you get that she has an inherent dislike for aliens? What is her perspective? She shows more disdain for Udina than most aliens she winds up in contact with.
I think she's more pessimist and cynic than anything else. And way more than she's racist, obviously. That's the reason I don't like her, and not her supposed "racism".
She may be right, but as I said...not my cup of tea.
Which in itself is not a bad thing. Slavery may be a fixture of Batarian culture, but that doesn't mean we're obligated to tolerate it when they raid one of our colonies.And it shows she's ascribing human values and beliefs to aliens and their values and beliefs.
That quote was a bug, I think - she's only supposed to say it in close proximity to Keepers. What were these dismissive remarks? IIRC she requests that Shepard check in on her after killing Benezia.It's an observed trait, mainly one that I see from various comments ("I can't tell the aliens from the animals"), her apprehension towards them, her dismissing remarks about Liara, and general statements about not trusting them.
I believe she also plays Lanaya in DA:O
Normally this would make me want to play DA:O again... but I resisted and youtube'd a conversation with Lanaya instead. I can't believe I never picked up on that before. It's so obvious.
And it shows she's ascribing human values and beliefs to aliens and their values and beliefs.
It's an observed trait, mainly one that I see from various comments ("I can't tell the aliens from the animals"), her apprehension towards them, her dismissing remarks about Liara, and general statements about not trusting them.
Her friendship with other aliens on the crew seems to come from long-term exposure, and there really isn't much to say about her relationships prior to ME3.
In fairness, Liara is the daughter of Benezia, who just so happens to be Saren's second-in-command; there's a legitimate security worry here. Also, I'm not sure why developing friendships with aliens as a result of being around them makes the friendship somehow less legitimate; do non-space racists become best buddies with aliens they just met?
And it shows she's ascribing human values and beliefs to aliens and their values and beliefs.
It's an observed trait, mainly one that I see from various comments ("I can't tell the aliens from the animals"), her apprehension towards them, her dismissing remarks about Liara, and general statements about not trusting them.
You do know the "aliens from the animals" thing is a bug, right? I mean, literally. She's referring to the Keepers.
Apprehension? You mean like "And that's why I hate politicians" 
Her dismissing remarks about Liara were about Liara. Not about asari or any other alien.
I think she's more pessimist and cynic than anything else. And way more than she's racist, obviously. That's the reason I don't like her, and not her supposed "racism".
She may be right, but as I said...not my cup of tea.
Let me guess, you don't mind Wrex's blatant racism against Salarians and Turians, or Tali's blatant racism against the Geth. Right?
She even recites poetry.Normally this would make me want to play DA:O again... but I resisted and youtube'd a conversation with Lanaya instead. I can't believe I never picked up on that before. It's so obvious.
Normally this would make me want to play DA:O again... but I resisted and youtube'd a conversation with Lanaya instead. I can't believe I never picked up on that before. It's so obvious.
She even quotes poetry and talks about having to be better than the best, since she didn't grow up dalish 
I think she's more pessimist and cynic than anything else. And way more than she's racist, obviously. That's the reason I don't like her, and not her supposed "racism".
She may be right, but as I said...not my cup of tea.
I can respect that. Not every character is meant to be enjoyed by every player.
She even recites poetry.
She even quotes poetry and talks about having to be better than the best, since she didn't grow up dalish
LOL... Crap. Now I'm gonna have to dig out my dragon age discs.
The latter isn't racism; it's a legitimate assessment based on their recorded actions. Her policy towards the Geth changes once new information comes to light. And I know what Weekes said; I still think it's crap.Let me guess, you don't mind Wrex's blatant racism against Salarians and Turians, or Tali's blatant racism against the Geth. Right?
You do know the "aliens from the animals" thing is a bug, right? I mean, literally. She's referring to the Keepers.
Apprehension? You mean like "And that's why I hate politicians"
Her dismissing remarks about Liara were about Liara. Not about asari or any other alien.
No, I don't know that that's a bug, nor am I inclined to believe that it is. To me, it sounds pretty disparaging to aliens in general, regardless of whether or not she's talking about the Keepers.
No, apprehension, why she feels ill at ease and uncomfortable around aliens.
Arguable. I saw a tone that went a bit more undercut than just it being on Liara. "You know what those Asari are like"
Let me guess, you don't mind Wrex's blatant racism against Salarians and Turians, or Tali's blatant racism against the Geth. Right?
And don't they both have excellent reasons to be "racists"?
Wanting to deactivate the credit-stealing AI on the Citadel on account of it being an AI, on the other hand, yes, I would call that discrimination.
But it's an evil AI. Eeeeeevil.
No, I don't know that that's a bug, nor am I inclined to believe that it is. To me, it sounds pretty disparaging to aliens in general, regardless of whether or not she's talking about the Keepers.
No, apprehension, why she feels ill at ease and uncomfortable around aliens.
Arguable. I saw a tone that went a bit more undercut than just it being on Liara. "You know what those Asari are like"
It is a bug. Fire up ME1 and check. Every time she says that, there's a Keeper nearby. The problem is the radius was too big so it's not always clear that it's what she's referring to. It never got fixed.
So she's uncomfortable around aliens when she's chatting with Tali about the Migrant Fleet? Or Garrus about leaving C-Sec? or volunteering to work with an all-salarian unit on Virmire? Even to the point of insisting on it?
So we're admitting the interpretation of tone into evidence now?
And don't they both have excellent reasons to be "racists"?
excellent reasons to be "racists"
to be "racists"
"racists"
Tell me, is it racist to see the Reapers as categorically hostile in light of their actions, and to treat them as such? Or is a complete lack of contrary evidence not cause enough?RACISM is RACISM people. Doesn't matter if you have a good reason or not, because there's no such bloody thing
And don't they both have excellent reasons to be "racists"?
RACISM IS RACISM people. There is no such thing as a good reason to be racist
RACISM IS RACISM people. There is no such thing as a good reason to be racist
First learn to love your country, or your people as a whole, then have it someone else threaten them. We'll see if you turn into a "racist" or not.
It's easy to say that from the nihilistic point of view. Very easy.
Which in itself is not a bad thing. Slavery may be a fixture of Batarian culture, but that doesn't mean we're obligated to tolerate it when they raid one of our colonies.
Killing slavers is a fixture of my family since countless generations. That means no one is gonna go and oppress our culture, right?
It is a bug. Fire up ME1 and check. Every time she says that, there's a Keeper nearby. The problem is the radius was too big so it's not always clear that it's what she's referring to. It never got fixed.
So she's uncomfortable around aliens when she's chatting with Tali about the Migrant Fleet? Or Garrus about leaving C-Sec? or volunteering to work with an all-salarian unit on Virmire? Even to the point of insisting on it?
So we're admitting the interpretation of tone into evidence now?
I don't believe you. I'll fire up ME1, hear the line, and go "my god, why do I have this racist on my crew?"
Time breeds familiarity. You know that. And you know my statement never precluded that. As for the Salarians, I'd say that was a situation where she would be what I'd call as wreckless. It's not necessarily glory hounding, but it's her wanting to prove she's better than her name.
I don't believe you. I'll fire up ME1, hear the line, and go "my god, why do I have this racist on my crew?"
That's on you
Time breeds familiarity. You know that. And you know my statement never precluded that. As for the Salarians, I'd say that was a situation where she would be what I'd call as wreckless. It's not necessarily glory hounding, but it's her wanting to prove she's better than her name.
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As for the Salarians, I'd say that was a situation where she would be what I'd call as wreckless. It's not necessarily glory hounding, but it's her wanting to prove she's better than her name.
Even if this is 100% true, how does it have anything to do with the likelihood that Ashley is a racist?
Another point: I think it's a major fallacy to equate well-written characters with characters who have traits that we would admire in real life. I don't like racists; I also don't like people who totally stab me in the back, but this doesn't mean that it's bad writing when Zevran does it at Denerim in DA:O. The question is this: Does it make sense that Ashley has the attitude towards aliens that she has, given her background, life experiences, etc.?
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