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If you don't like what Bioware is selling, just don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you to go to your local game store and hand them your money for DA:I. No outside force is compelling you to come onto this forum and post 500+ messages. I am sure there are plenty of other games out there that will appease your straight maleness.
A dying market and Biowares part of it
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, mai 15 2014 02:05
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:19
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The thing I find funny is that, by and large, BioWare's romances as they like to structure it are inherently fanservice. They're quite often wish fantasy fulfillment.
The humour for me is that, at least in Mass Effect, the egregious cases are overwhelmingly hetero or options available for straight males.
Bioware romances are the source of all evil in the gaming industry!
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:20
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Would be nice if you put some effort into the game and stop with the whole pleasing of minor crap out there. Gay romances and fan services do not make a good game. Why is the mighty Bioware looking at the horrible RP game of Skyrim when you make DA:I? You are clearly or was clearly much better at making RPGs and you are clearly better att dialogue. Why is this even a thing? To look at Activions CoD and Bethesdas shoddy RPG sand box game Skyrim?
Im simply curious. Probably will get locked down or moved.
This is what I hate about most of these game journalist speculatory claims. They usually pick out certain elements but do not include the industry as a whole. I will not be convinced until the user brings in citations and statistics of market trends. Anyone can make a claim and an argument but if you do not have the evidence to back it up it falls flat.
Also, I do not see how Gay Romances are hurting the game industry. Fan service has always been an element on art. Artistry usually contains elements of fan service but I have never seen it hurt a whole industry. Would you please explain what you meant? Or are we going to continue speculating without any evidence like the guy in the video?
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:21
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I don't see people making the decision to stop buying games that are part of their favorite series. I always hear friends of mine complain over and over and over again about titles or complain that the last game a company came out with sucks, yet they always buy the next game that company comes out with. Also, for every one person I hear that complains about a CoD or Skyrim, I know of five other people who consider one or the other their favorite game. Going with what the majority of people appreciates is the best way to see that profit margin climb. Just walk into your office or classroom and ask how many people know of Skyrim or Call of Duty. That number will certainly be higher than Dark Souls or The Witcher, even though many gaming purists would call the latter two better. People complain about microtransactions, day-one DLC or cut content DLC, yet they keep buying it. The way I see it is if the product is "good enough", then the gaming companies can get away with a lot of stuff. "Good enough" is usually a relatively glitch-free experience with fluid controls and a good HUD. That's all the masses really look for today, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:23
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Mass Effect! Sure this is the future! Understandable acceptance everywhere but how do Bioware explain this acceptance of these things in the Dragon Age world? Is it a utopia thrown into chaos?
Historically, homosexuality was much, much, MUCH less of an issue (if an issue at all) in medieval and especially ancient times that it is now. And since TheDAS is set somewhere along that historical context, homosexuality as present in the games is hardly unrealistic as far as you can call a fictional setting unrealistic.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:24
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Im not going to buy DA:I. DA2 I played cause I got it as a gift.
Im pretty sure the whole "gay agenda" Som weirdo games talk off is not hurting the game market. But I do nto want to see it used as a shield to gain extra points.
Day 1 DLC.
Rampaging costs to make games.
DRM
Companies going for a more casual market. More mainstream. It hurts it in the long run. Least for us old schoolers.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:26
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This thread makes me
Seriously if you don't like what BW sells then why come here and complain?
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:29
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Companies going for a more casual market. More mainstream. It hurts it in the long run. Least for us old schoolers.
I don't even know what the dividing line is in this thread between old-schoolers and new-schoolers.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:29
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This thread makes me
Seriously if you don't like what BW sells then why come here and complain?
That's fatalistic logic. If people have problems with something, the correct action is not to just ignore it/don't care/whatever, but to voice those concerns. If no criticism is being given, there is no incentive to change things for the better. And if worst comes to pass, it only lets present problems escalate.
As one of Murphy's laws states, if left to their own devices, things tend to go from bad to worse.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:32
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On serious note, this:
Day 1 DLC.
Rampaging costs to make games.
DRM
Companies going for a more casual market. More mainstream. It hurts it in the long run. Least for us old schoolers.
And gaming industry isn't dying. The dumbed down trend is dominating and 1) "masterpiece" or 2) "awesome but unpopular" games get sequels every 5 or 10 years or even more. We should wait forever for some video games to get a sequel or remake.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:33
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That's fatalistic logic. If people have problems with something, the correct action is not to just ignore it/don't care/whatever, but to voice those concerns. If no criticism is being given, there is no incentive to change things for the better. And if worst comes to pass, it only lets present problems escalate.
As one of Murphy's laws states, if left to their own devices, things tend to go from bad to worse.
Waiting for someone to mention hitler and turn this into Godwin's law.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:34
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I don't even know what the dividing line is in this thread between old-schoolers and new-schoolers.
I loved 2D Age of Empires II. I hated the 3D Age of Empires III. Although the 3rd game isn't that bad to hate.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:34
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Waiting for someone to mention hitler and turn this into Godwin's law.
First they came for my oldskool arpeegees...
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:34
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That's fatalistic logic. If people have problems with something, the correct action is not to just ignore it/don't care/whatever, but to voice those concerns. If no criticism is being given, there is no incentive to change things for the better. And if worst comes to pass, it only lets present problems escalate.
As one of Murphy's laws states, if left to their own devices, things tend to go from bad to worse.
Well yeah, going to CD Projekts Red forum and complain abotu gamign series made by a company I onceh eld high and loved...would be strange. When its NOT their game!
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:35
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^I had deliberately not used the look-away-and-don't-complain mentality during WW2 as an extreme example.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:35
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You, Mama Samedi, are worse than Hitler.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:36
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You, Mama Samedi, are worse than Hitler.
I would reply right away but I am stalin my response.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:38
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I would reply right away but I am stalin my response.
I'll give you time to polish your response then. But know that your behaviour in this thread israeli rude.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:41
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Fake Tears: 2 points, but 1 point substraction for escalating the conflict
Mama Samedi: 1 point for comeback
Current frontline status: 1 - 1
Would you like to try again?
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#46
Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:44
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The Apartheid, Gulag and Auschwitz are strong in this thread...
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:44
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Nah, I'm good. Better stop. Don't want the mods lenin over my shoulder.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:44
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That's fatalistic logic. If people have problems with something, the correct action is not to just ignore it/don't care/whatever, but to voice those concerns. If no criticism is being given, there is no incentive to change things for the better. And if worst comes to pass, it only lets present problems escalate.
As one of Murphy's laws states, if left to their own devices, things tend to go from bad to worse.
I just feel that much of the issues that people complain about can be chalked up to "you are making video games in a way that I don't like" while ignoring the benefits that the changes have brought to certain companies. It is certainly easy to question the ethics of turning gun camos into DLC or cutting out endings to a game to make a buck, and we can go on all day about how inconvinient always online DRM is to legitamite customers, but I never have felt that "they are making it too much like CoD or Skyrim" has been a legitimate complaint.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:45
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You know market is dying? The rpg market, because nerds no longer control the gates of gaming, but average people do. An "RPG" that caters to the "RPG" crowd are games most normal folks consider boring, repetitive, and unengaging, when compared to something like COD or battlefield. The reason for this? Gameplay to them matters more then story because to them, its just a game. If it has fun gameplay its a good game, and if it doesn;t and plays like a 3 wheeled Yugo with removed suspensions, fans won't care if it has the most player controlled and well written story in the world, they'll consider it a bad game and stop playing.
That's the problem with you thumping your fist and claiming bioware isn't making true rpgs, becuase true rpgs have bad gameplay and don't sell well in todays market. ITs like trying to sell people on a crank car enginge, times have changed and people want more reactive control in order to have a funner time. You're basically demanding bioware not change from the 1990's/early 2000's mentality in a market thats left that mentality 10 years ago, basically dooming bioware to bankruptcy, again, if they were to do that.
You can get on your high horse and shout to the heavens all you want, but video games are money makers first, and innovators second, and the games that do best, are the ones who get emulated. Now go back to rpg codex and write about how untrue the fans of bioware are.
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Posté 15 mai 2014 - 04:49
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You know market is dying? The rpg market, because nerds no longer control the gates of gaming, but average people do. An "RPG" that caters to the "RPG" crowd are games most normal folks consider boring, repetitive, and unengaging, when compared to something like COD or battlefield. The reason for this? Gameplay to them matters more then story because to them, its just a game. If it has fun gameplay its a good game, and if it doesn;t and plays like a 3 wheeled Yugo with removed suspensions, fans won't care if it has the most player controlled and well written story in the world, they'll consider it a bad game and stop playing.
That's the problem with you thumping your fist and claiming bioware isn't making true rpgs, becuase true rpgs have bad gameplay and don't sell well in todays market. ITs like trying to sell people on a crank car enginge, times have changed and people want more reactive control in order to have a funner time. You're basically demanding bioware not change from the 1990's/early 2000's mentality in a market thats left that mentality 10 years ago, basically dooming bioware to bankruptcy, again, if they were to do that.
You can get on your high horse and shout to the heavens all you want, but video games are money makers first, and innovators second, and the games that do best, are the ones who get emulated. Now go back to rpg codex and write about how untrue the fans of bioware are.
Yeah, cause streamlining eveyr game into some hollywood **** sure is fun? Right? Right now Bioware gone away from their first fans. To make action oriented **** games influenced by Cod and Skyrim. Get off your high horse.
