Yeah, cause streamlining eveyr game into some hollywood **** sure is fun? Right? Right now Bioware gone away from their first fans. To make action oriented **** games influenced by Cod and Skyrim. Get off your high horse.
I think it's very fun. Mass Effect 2 and 3 are the most fun I've had with BioWare games. But if we're talking about Dragon Age, I hardly see streamlined Hollywood games.
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Yeah, cause streamlining eveyr game into some hollywood **** sure is fun? Right? Right now Bioware gone away from their first fans. To make action oriented **** games influenced by Cod and Skyrim. Get off your high horse.
Their going away from their first fans, and they got more fans and money as a result. Gaming is a business, and many game companies are going under right now. It's a matter of doing what you have to in order to survive.
To proclaim Dragone Age II is a proper RPG. Is silly. The game had less endings t han Dungeon Siege III. That is rather pathetic. I felt my choices meant more in DS3 than in DA2. AND THAT was officially an action rpg.
To proclaim Dragone Age II is a proper RPG. Is silly. The game had less endings t han Dungeon Siege III. That is rather pathetic. I felt my choices meant more in DS3 than in DA2. AND THAT was officially an action rpg.
I couldn't care less what's a proper RPG. I want the best game they can make. If that game is 1/3 RPG, 2/3 action, then so be it. If it's 3/3 RPG, then that's cool, too.
I could care less what's a proper RPG. I want the best game they can make. If that game is 1/3 RPG, 2/3 action, then so be it. If it's 3/3 RPG, then that's cool, too.
I love you new generation RPG fans.
Have you ever played Planescape Torment or had a DM in the client in Neverwinter Nights? THIS IS RPG. NOt the action oriented Dragon Age 2. Or the meaningless ending of ME3 or The Old Republic who put an suddent, abrupt end to the hope of having a sequelt to a very good star wars series.
And who states what is and isn't an RPG? I consider DA2 an RPG hell I prefer it to Origins in multiple areas.
I love you new generation RPG fans.
Thanks. I love me, too.
Have you ever played Planescape Torment or had a DM in the client in Neverwinter Nights? THIS IS RPG. NOt the action oriented Dragon Age 2. Or the meaningless ending of ME3 or The Old Republic who put an suddent, abrupt end to the hope of having a sequelt to a very good star wars series.
I've played Torment. I haven't played NN because I heard the story wasn't good, and I don't like point and click gameplay. I play a variety of different games and don't see RPG mechanics as inherently valuable except insofar as they benefit the specific game being made.
To proclaim Dragone Age II is a proper RPG. Is silly. The game had less endings t han Dungeon Siege III. That is rather pathetic. I felt my choices meant more in DS3 than in DA2. AND THAT was officially an action rpg.
Yeah, cause streamlining eveyr game into some hollywood **** sure is fun? Right? Right now Bioware gone away from their first fans. To make action oriented **** games influenced by Cod and Skyrim. Get off your high horse.
Dark Souls Sales: 2.4 Million Copies
Dark Souls 2 Sales: 1.2 Million Copies
Witcher 2: 1.7 million copies, series combined worth 6 Million dollars
Portal 2: 4 Million Copies
Mass Effect 3: 5.5 Million units sold
Battlefield 4: 9.5 million units sold
Skyrim: 20 Million copies sold
Grand Theft Auto 5: 33 million copies sold
Call of duty ghosts: 14 million 5 hundred thousands copies sold
I wonder what more people want in their games? I know, more of that Baulders Gate and Planetscape Torment ****. Right? Gameplay don't matter, we got infinitie dialouge options to keep us occupied.
And who states what is and isn't an RPG? I consider DA2 an RPG hell I prefer it to Origins in multiple areas.
When Bioware was creating Dragon Age, they stated that it was supposed to be "The spiritual successor to Baldurs Gate". Origins yes, one can proclaim it can be that. Dragon Age 2? No. Dragon Age Inquisition? No. Clearly, they are more aimed to be some weird Mass Effect Fantasy game since of DA2 with Commander Hawke instead. And I ****** love Mass Effect like a brother.
The thing is here. Why can't Bioware have Dragon Age and Dragon Age Origins where Origins ins a spin off more like origins was with small stories in the world, letting us see more of the setting and the lore as we play in a game more aimed at the Baldurs Gate type. We have to rely on small budget and kickstarter projects to have games like these. DA:O Was a modern Baldurs Gate like RPG with many options of races, classes and things to change outcome of the game. DA2 is so far away from this it is sad.
DA2 should have been called DA1 and been a spin off or main series in the Dragon Age series, aiming for a more wide audience and more action oriented gameplay. Also, it should not have the Mass Effect input with the dialogue wheel. Also more customization would been awesome.
Lol. I like how you equate the amount of endings in a game with whether it's an action rpg or a 'proper' one.
Starting to think you are a very elaborate troll.
RPG codexer's, they're as bad as conspiracy bloggers.
Dark Souls Sales: 2.4 Million Copies
Dark Souls 2 Sales: 1.2 Million Copies
Witcher 2: 1.7 million copies, series combined worth 6 Million dollars
Portal 2: 4 Million Copies
Mass Effect 3: 5.5 Million units sold
Battlefield 4: 9.5 million units sold
Skyrim: 20 Million copies sold
Grand Theft Auto 5: 33 million copies sold
Call of duty ghosts: 14 million 5 hundred thousands copies sold
I wonder what more people want in their games? I know, more of that Baulders Gate and Planetscape Torment ****. Right? Gameplay don't matter, we got infinitie dialouge options to keep us occupied.
It do not matter.
Ever heard of mainstream and more localised and aimed at a certain group kind of things? Just cause you like this local brand of Cola who sells 1/100 of Coca Cola, do not mean you are in the wrong or the product is worse. What is this for mentality? Numbers do not make something good or make everyone love.
I want more options, dialogues, intrigues. Less ****** flashy combat moves. If I want that I buy a third person action game or Dark Souls. Dark Souls is a action RPG and it out classes Dragon Age II for sure. Mass Effect 3 is a pretty interesting RPG but the action is outclassed by Uncharted, Last of Us, Gears of War and many more. Do not try to be what you can't be. Why water down your own product to please a part of the consumer market that do not really respect you for your core element. The story and character development.
Why water down your own product to please a part of the consumer market that do not really respect you for your core element. The story and character development.
Probably because it's not watering it down. Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 both have better combat than their predecessors. Origins' style of combat doesn't work well on console compared to 2. The characters were also done very well.
If games that don't have any action combat systems in them is your cup of tea, then it's time you sought elsewhere for your niche pleasure. I'd recommend Pillars of Eternity for a start.
Skyrim sold almost as much as GTA? Woah my mind is blown right now.
You do realise I've been a member of RPG Codex since 2011. Honestly, I feed off the cross forum hatred, but cool your jets a bit.RPG codexer's, they're as bad as conspiracy bloggers.
It do not matter.
Ever heard of mainstream and more localised and aimed at a certain group kind of things? Just cause you like this local brand of Cola who sells 1/100 of Coca Cola, do not mean you are in the wrong or the product is worse. What is this for mentality? Numbers do not make something good or make everyone love.
I want more options, dialogues, intrigues. Less ****** flashy combat moves. If I want that I buy a third person action game or Dark Souls. Dark Souls is a action RPG and it out classes Dragon Age II for sure. Mass Effect 3 is a pretty interesting RPG but the action is outclassed by Uncharted, Last of Us, Gears of War and many more. Do not try to be what you can't be. Why water down your own product to please a part of the consumer market that do not really respect you for your core element. The story and character development.
What you want is irrelevent because you won't be spending millions of dollars to buy enough units to influence bioware, and the majority of people will. You can hide from empirical evidence all you want and keep claiming that you know what it is people want and that people want "true" rpgs, but the truth of the matter is they don't. They don't want games that are precieved as too hard or games with gameplay considered poorly done, even if its for the sake of a better story.
What you are saying to bioware is that it is okay to go bankrupt, just so long as you keep ME happy. That the market doesn't matter, only keeping religiously devoute to a set of game mechanics that aren't appealing to people anymore.
Probably because it's not watering it down. Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 both have better combat than their predecessors. Origins' style of combat doesn't work well on console compared to 2. The characters were also done very well.
If games that don't have any action combat systems in them isn't your cup of tea, then it's time you sought elsewhere for your niche pleasure. I'd recommend Pillars of Eternity for a start.
So explain to me, why should we who like the less action oriented RPGs that Bioware used to send out, have to be happy with one game in Pillars of Eternity? It is not like all other ****** games are turning to "CoD and SKyrim" audience already. Greed is good it seems.
Not sure how yo ufolks can be so blind not to see the bad parts of DA2 or the super flawed ending of ME3, Cause **** the ending.
You do realise I've been a member of RPG Codex since 2011. Honestly, I feed off the cross forum hatred, but cool your jets a bit.
This guy wouldn't last on the Codex, all edge, no substance.
Would fit in on reddit or the witcher forums though. ;D
I didn't even know about Codex hatred until this thread. I read their Top 50 RPGs of all-time and it looked pretty respectable.
So explain to me, why should we who like the less action oriented RPGs that Bioware used to send out, have to be happy with one game in Pillars of Eternity? It is not like all other ****** games are turning to "CoD and SKyrim" audience already. Greed is good it seems.
Not sure how yo ufolks can be so blind not to see the bad parts of DA2 or the super flawed ending of ME3, Cause **** the ending.
The ending is a subjective problem, people didn't like it for various reasons, but there is nothing empirically bad or physically damaging about it. And nobody is shying away from the problems in DA2, its lack of development time and forced reuse of resources has been well documented and discussed on these forums.
THe thing is nobody else is as hung up on it as you, nor do they feel as strongly that its faults overshadow and negate the good elements inside the game.
What you want is irrelevent because you won't be spending millions of dollars to buy enough units to influence bioware, and the majority of people will. You can hide from empirical evidence all you want and keep claiming that you know what it is people want and that people want "true" rpgs, but the truth of the matter is they don't. They don't want games that are precieved as too hard or games with gameplay considered poorly done, even if its for the sake of a better story.
What you are saying to bioware is that it is okay to go bankrupt, just so long as you keep ME happy. That the market doesn't matter, only keeping religiously devoute to a set of game mechanics that aren't appealing to people anymore.
Clearly a lot was dispelased with the ME3 ending. But I guess im talking with the fanboy defense squad here. You folks probably eat anything Bioware throw at you without question. You think Bioware give a **** about you then? As soon as the wind changes, whatever you love won't be in the mind of Bioware and their overlord EA. Then you see how they suddenly shun you like they shun us who supported them in the 90's and 00's and made them into WHO they are TODAY.
Clearly DA2 sold well on preorders then ebbed out. Shocking Bioware to see all the complains. Have you seen the charts? Dragon Age II sold most on release/preorder then it had horrendous sales! WHen people knew how bad the game was.
I don't really care what the old school RPG fans think is a "true" RPG, I don't see any reason why you can't have both good gameplay and good story in the game.
The problem with many older RPGs that I've played is that it feels like they barely put any effort into the gameplay and are just letting the story carry everything. Most of the time combat just feels like this thing you put up with in order to get to the good parts, which is the dialogue and story.
You do realise I've been a member of RPG Codex since 2011. Honestly, I feed off the cross forum hatred, but cool your jets a bit.
This guy wouldn't last on the Codex, all edge, no substance.
Would fit in on reddit or the witcher forums though. ;D
I don't meant to offend, I just find the site, its practices and principles, and participants far too fanatical and pretentious to stand. I'm sure the same could be said for the bioware fanbase as well, as well as any other site dedicated to any one particular thing.
So explain to me, why should we who like the less action oriented RPGs that Bioware used to send out, have to be happy with one game in Pillars of Eternity?
Because not many people want your type of game, so less companies are going to make it.
It is not like all other ****** games are turning to "CoD and SKyrim" audience already. Greed is good it seems.
This makes me think you don't play many games, because they aren't.
Not sure how yo ufolks can be so blind not to see the bad parts of DA2 or the super flawed ending of ME3, Cause **** the ending.
Who mentioned the ME3 ending? And I'm not blind to anything. I know the faults of DA2 and ME3. It's hard to forget them when people don't have anything better to do than repeat them ad naeseum for 2 years on this board.
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