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[Nate Assassin]

Woah we got a
 


going on here.

[Winterfly]

The ending is a subjective problem, people didn't like it for various reasons, but there is nothing empirically bad or physically damaging about it. And nobody is shying away from the problems in DA2, its lack of development time and forced reuse of resources has been well documented and discussed on these forums.

 

THe thing is nobody else is as hung up on it as you, nor do they feel as strongly that its faults overshadow and negate the good elements inside the game.

 

What good elements? DO you mean the romances, the character development and so on, so on? Such stuff Bioware ALWAYS get praised  for? How many times can you get praised for the same thing? By the 10th time people know what to expect and won't praise it as much as before but they will notice when you slack down.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

So explain to me, why should we who like the less action oriented RPGs that Bioware used to send out, have to be happy with one game in Pillars of Eternity? It is not like all other ****** games are turning to "CoD and SKyrim" audience already. Greed is good it seems.

Not sure how yo ufolks can be so blind not to see the bad parts of DA2 or the super flawed ending of ME3, Cause **** the ending.

What are you talking about?

Pillars, Wasteland, Divinity Original Sin, Decadence, Dead State, Underrail, Torment, the list goes on and on.

Being an old school rpg fan hasn't been this promising in a long time.

[Winterfly]

I don't really care what the old school RPG fans think is a "true" RPG, I don't see any reason why you can't have both good gameplay and good story in the game.

 

The problem with many older RPGs that I've played is that it feels like they barely put any effort into the gameplay and are just letting the story carry everything. Most of the time combat just feels like this thing you put up with in order to get to the good parts, which is the dialogue and story.

 

Guess you never played Neverwinter Nights then. Dragon Age II and Mass Effect 3. There is no options, no customization. Both games are so flat and meaningless when it comes to options. I just say "good gameplay" takes time and often it comes on the cost of other things. ME3 do not have that good gameplay, it gets boring after the millionth fight against another ****** Cerberus squad. Dragon Age II is boring after the tenth time you went to the same interior to fight some random monster as they spanw all around your mage.

[Liamv2]

Clearly a lot was dispelased with the ME3 ending. But I guess im talking with the fanboy defense squad here. You folks probably eat anything Bioware throw at you without question. You think Bioware give a **** about you then? As soon as the wind changes, whatever you love won't be in the mind of Bioware and their overlord EA. Then you see how they suddenly shun you like they shun us who supported them in the 90's and 00's and made them into WHO they are TODAY.

Clearly DA2 sold well on preorders then ebbed out. Shocking Bioware to see all the complains. Have you seen the charts? Dragon Age II sold most on release/preorder then it had horrendous sales! WHen people knew how bad the game was.

 

You know there's nothing wrong with not liking a game. I've despised my fair share of popular titles like the last of us but insulting those who disagree with you makes you look like a troll.

[Winterfly]

What are you talking about?

Pillars, Wasteland, Divinity Original Sin, Decadence, Dead State, Underrail, Torment, the list goes on and on.

Being an old school rpg fan hasn't been this promising in a long time.

 

 

These are still low budget games. We won't see a super deep RPG again with a Mass Effect 3 budget. We get the kickstarter projects where we do not know if they ever become reality or how long they take.

[Winterfly]

You know there's nothing wrong with not liking a game. I've despised my fair share of popular titles like the last of us but insulting those who disagree with you makes you look like a troll.

Ah yes of course. I insulted you fanboys. I say you all came like horsemen riding down a hill to defend Biowares honour like some cheesey fantasy movie where im some villian trying to kidnap the princess (Bioware)

[Cainhurst Crow]

Clearly a lot was dispelased with the ME3 ending. But I guess im talking with the fanboy defense squad here. You folks probably eat anything Bioware throw at you without question. You think Bioware give a **** about you then? As soon as the wind changes, whatever you love won't be in the mind of Bioware and their overlord EA. Then you see how they suddenly shun you like they shun us who supported them in the 90's and 00's and made them into WHO they are TODAY.

Clearly DA2 sold well on preorders then ebbed out. Shocking Bioware to see all the complains. Have you seen the charts? Dragon Age II sold most on release/preorder then it had horrendous sales! WHen people knew how bad the game was.

 

People were pissed with the ending yeah, but only a small part of them were becuase of the number of endings present, or anything to do with the rpg elements in the game. If I'm a member of the fanboy defense squad then I guess that makes you part of the bitter fanboy brigade seeing you can't go 2 posts without whining about the ending in your flimsy and thoughtless rants. The only way you've been able to even engage with someone who doesn';t agree with you, and presents evidence against you, is to try and characature them as being some mindless drone. Bravo sir, you needed to invent an imaginary enemy in order to win an argument. If bioware went a route I didn't agree with, I'd stop playing their games, plain and simple. I did the same thing with kingdom hearts when they started moving to handheld devices, because that's what reasonable people do, they stop going to places that don't offer what they want, not go there and start making protests against it and wasting their time and everyone elses.

 

You know the number one complaint about mass effect 3's ending? It was that there wasn't a happirer ending that rewarded you more. That's it, plain and simple. The majority wasn't outraged due to the lack of options for mass effect 3's ending, it was that they all relatively sucked to them and none of them were truely appealing. People said, and have demonstrated, time and time again in their posts, in their requests, and even in the happy ending mod, they wanted a better ending over all else, including more endings.

 

You trying to hijack the outrage to champion and failtanic of a point is just plain disengenouous.

[Dominus]

Lol. I like how you equate the amount of endings in a game with whether it's an action rpg or a 'proper' one.

Yep. Plenty of games, both inside and out of jRPGs have had only 1 ending. And that's as far as I'm going on "What is an RPG?".

I wonder what more people want in their games? I know, more of that Baulders Gate and Planetscape Torment ****. Right? Gameplay don't matter, we got infinitie dialouge options to keep us occupied.

Already linked it before, may as well again. While I'll always prefer innovation in video games, commercially what tends to sell best are those that improve upon a previous formula(typically in sequels or reboots). Even in popular series' like Mario, the games that sold better weren't the titles that went in crazier directions. In Mario's case, the 2D platformers. Love it or hate it, those are the tendencies on the business side.

We won't see a super deep RPG again with a Mass Effect 3 budget.

That's rather pessimistic. Deus Ex: Human Revolution & Dark Souls are recent critically acclaimed RPGs with a retail budget.

[Elhanan]

Been playing RPG's for almost 40 yrs, and quite enjoyed SWTOR, DA2, and ME3. While my opinion is not factual, it is still as valid as those that are different from it. And based on sales, time played, etc, it is pleasing to know that I am not alone in that notion.                                                               

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

These are still low budget games. We won't see a super deep RPG again with a Mass Effect 3 budget. We get the kickstarter projects where we do not know if they ever become reality or how long they take.

No ****. No company, especially a publicly listed one is going to sink 30-50 mil into a niche genre.

Or do you believe that BG and Torment were made with tens of millions of dollars?

Budgets of games like Original Sin, Pillars, Wasteland 2 and Torment 2 are comparable to the budgets of games back then.

Using the advances of technology, they can make improvements without losing the general feel and aesthetic of the classics, focusing their money and time to focus on content creation, mechanics and design.

All that money would be wasted on hyperrealistic graphics and voice acting anyways. And there's still mid tier developers out there like CDPR and Piranha Bytes.

[Winterfly]

People were pissed with the ending yeah, but only a small part of them were becuase of the number of endings present, or anything to do with the rpg elements in the game. If I'm a member of the fanboy defense squad then I guess that makes you part of the bitter fanboy brigade seeing you can't go 2 posts without whining about the ending in your flimsy and thoughtless rants. The only way you've been able to even engage with someone who doesn';t agree with you, and presents evidence against you, is to try and characature them as being some mindless drone. Bravo sir, you needed to invent an imaginary enemy in order to win an argument. If bioware went a route I didn't agree with, I'd stop playing their games, plain and simple. I did the same thing with kingdom hearts when they started moving to handheld devices, because that's what reasonable people do, they stop going to places that don't offer what they want, not go there and start making protests against it and wasting their time and everyone elses.

 

You know the number one complaint about mass effect 3's ending? It was that there wasn't a happirer ending that rewarded you more. That's it, plain and simple. The majority wasn't outraged due to the lack of options for mass effect 3's ending, it was that they all relatively sucked to them and none of them were truely appealing. People said, and have demonstrated, time and time again in their posts, in their requests, and even in the happy ending mod, they wanted a better ending over all else, including more endings.

 

You trying to hijack the outrage to champion and failtanic of a point is just plain disengenouous.

 

The ending was abyssmal. Just saying. It was no heroic end. It was n nothing. It was such a heavy build up over 3 games. So much talk about your choices and such. And they mean ****. The Reapers who would put shadows up all planets, was heh not that many! The whole thing was like a large atomic bomb going to blow but all it ended up as in the end was a counterfeit, pirated small time ****** made in a factory by childworkers. 

 

As I want to say, the next Bioware game is not something I will buy. Dragon Age Inquisition will not give Bioware på 50 euro. Dragon Age II was to much of a let down. Mass Effect "4" might be another thing. Thats more unsure.

[Cainhurst Crow]

No ****. No company, especially a publicly listed one is going to sink 30-50 mil into a niche genre.

Or do you believe that BG and Torment were made with tens of millions of dollars?

Budgets of games like Original Sin, Pillars, Wasteland 2 and Torment 2 are comparable to the budgets of games back then.

Using the advances of technology, they can make improvements without losing the general feel and aesthetic of the classics, focusing their money and time to focus on content creation, mechanics and design.

 

Which is a lot better in the long run since it reduces the amount of risk one would take trying to adopt those games to a modern market who might nto want them. Keeping them at a kickstarter levels allows them to be sustainable, at the very least, and perhaps even profitable, defending on how many occupy the niche market.

[Cyonan]

Guess you never played Neverwinter Nights then. Dragon Age II and Mass Effect 3. There is no options, no customization. Both games are so flat and meaningless when it comes to options. I just say "good gameplay" takes time and often it comes on the cost of other things. ME3 do not have that good gameplay, it gets boring after the millionth fight against another ****** Cerberus squad. Dragon Age II is boring after the tenth time you went to the same interior to fight some random monster as they spanw all around your mage.

 

My point was that I see no reason why games can't have good options and customization while also having good gameplay.

 

It was not that modern RPGs are currently doing that, so I don't see why you're even mentioning DAII or ME3.

 

I'm not asking for anything groundbreaking here, but even ME3's combat is much better than the clunky mess that was KotoR's combat, in my opinion.

 

So why can't you take Kotor's writing and story with Mass Effect's combat?

[Raizo]

I don't think it is dying. I think a more appropriate word word be 'evolving', the big question is what is it evolving into?

[Cainhurst Crow]

The ending was abyssmal. Just saying. It was no heroic end. It was n nothing. It was such a heavy build up over 3 games. So much talk about your choices and such. And they mean ****. The Reapers who would put shadows up all planets, was heh not that many! The whole thing was like a large atomic bomb going to blow but all it ended up as in the end was a counterfeit, pirated small time ****** made in a factory by childworkers. 

 

As I want to say, the next Bioware game is not something I will buy. Dragon Age Inquisition will not give Bioware på 50 euro. Dragon Age II was to much of a let down. Mass Effect "4" might be another thing. Thats more unsure.

 

It was a bad ending and thats all it was. You act like the ending pretended to be your friend, then came to your house and shot your dog before cackling madly with how you talk. XD I would have more sympathy for you if this wasn't over an incident that happened over 2 years ago. You're like some bitter football fan who still hasn't forgiven his team for losing the championship.

 

Gotta take up some of that stoic philosophy and learn to let go of that which you have no control over.

[The Love Runner]

I don't think it is dying. I think a more appropriate word word be 'evolving', the big question is what is it evolving into?

I wonder what shape it would be in had the Xbox One's original policies gone through...

[Winterfly]

My point was that I see no reason why games can't have good options and customization while also having good gameplay.

 

It was not that modern RPGs are currently doing that, so I don't see why you're even mentioning DAII or ME3.

 

I'm not asking for anything groundbreaking here, but even ME3's combat is much better than the clunky mess that was KotoR's combat, in my opinion.

 

So why can't you take Kotor's writing and story with Mass Effect's combat?

 

Is ME3 combat so good? I get super bored by it. So much talk about improving combat and its super dull after 100 battles. I played on casual the second playthrough at the end cause it all was a endurance round of just  fighting waves of waves and not much of anything else. Im not sure, was the combat so good? And why do we have to have so much ****** combat in the end of games anyway? Are we not playing for the story? Do we have to kill a f ew hundred enemies always? Boring.

 

 

I don't think it is dying. I think a more appropriate word word be 'evolving', the big question is what is it evolving into?

 

You know, 1983. The market "Died" but it is about the same. It took a new shape. Calling it death is just to make it sound dramatic. This si exactly what happended 1983.

 

 

Which is a lot better in the long run since it reduces the amount of risk one would take trying to adopt those games to a modern market who might nto want them. Keeping them at a kickstarter levels allows them to be sustainable, at the very least, and perhaps even profitable, defending on how many occupy the niche market.

 

On the other hand ths is proof that there is a interest of it. if the players themself freaking kickstart them with hundreds of thousand of money. This is proof there is cash to gain. We do not need to streamline every freaking big company title to 1 type of game per genre. Do we?

[In Exile]

.... Nope. Not happening. Good luck with this one. 

 

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I wonder what shape it would be in had the Xbox One's original policies gone through...

Kinect RPG Sports.

"It's an rpg because you play the role of an athlete"

[Winterfly]

It was a bad ending and thats all it was. You act like the ending pretended to be your friend, then came to your house and shot your dog before cackling madly with how you talk. XD I would have more sympathy for you if this wasn't over an incident that happened over 2 years ago. You're like some bitter football fan who still hasn't forgiven his team for losing the championship.

 

Gotta take up some of that stoic philosophy and learn to let go of that which you have no control over.

 

It did ruin my life man. It came to my house. I failed a exam and such **** man

 

Also 79. **** you Nottingham Forest, **** you.

[Cyonan]

Is ME3 combat so good? I get super bored by it. So much talk about improving combat and its super dull after 100 battles. I played on casual the second playthrough at the end cause it all was a endurance round of just  fighting waves of waves and not much of anything else. Im not sure, was the combat so good? And why do we have to have so much ****** combat in the end of games anyway? Are we not playing for the story? Do we have to kill a f ew hundred enemies always? Boring.

 

I'm not here to debate Mass Effect 3 being good or bad.

 

but it seems that all you really want to do is rant about Mass Effect and Dragon Age rather than discuss what my post was actually about, so I'm probably wasting my time.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

So the Boko Haram leader is this guy:

 

 

 

Bounty: 23 Million $

 

Who wants to be the bounty hunter?!

[AlanC9]

Bounty: 23 Million $

 

Who wants to be the bounty hunter?!

 

 

Can I use drones?