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[Hellion Rex]

Therinfal Redoubt

 

Spoiler

"I have heard the complaints. Some of you do not understand why we train in a castle in the wilderness when you're to seek out corruption among the masses. You question the Seekers' foresight. Doubt assails you. Why have you come to Therinfal? What can you learn here you could not on your own?

 

Patience is what you will learn. With no city to distract or tempt you, you will practice. You will fail. You will suffer. And when we are done, you will be a rock upon which demons break.

Now let us begin."

 

This transcription of a speech by Lord Seeker Alderai to a batch of students beginning advanced lessons is dated 7:70 Storm. The Seekers used Therinfal Redoubt as a training ground until around 8:99 Blessed, when their finances were insufficient to keep the fortress in desirable condition.

 

- From Notable Fortresses, Castles, Towers, and Other Edifices of Interest in Ferelden by Henry Lannon

[MisterJB]

You claim others have a anti chantry mindset but you are calling everything good said about the chantry and everything bad a lie.

 

No, I'm refuting biased claims and putting things into perspective.

Did the Chantry kill Qunari who happened to be humans? Yes. Was it because they didn't worship the Maker? No.
 

 Meredith was paranoid and authorized mages to be made tranquil. As they were full fledged mages by definition they have passed the harrowing.

And where is your evidence of this?

 

 

he people in Rivain you claim count as foreign soldiers. They were citizens that converted to the qun when the Qunari invaded but they were by the laws of the land still Rivaini citizens after the Qunari were driven out.

If a person adheres by the Qunari beliefs, then that person is, by definition, not a member of any of the nations in Thedas for the laws that govern those nations go directly against a great number of the tennets of the Qun.

The Accords dictated that the Qunari; that means EVERY Qunari, regardless if it's a soldier or a farmer; was to leave mainland Thedas and retreat to Seheron. By refusing to leave, those human Qunari of human rivaini descent were breaking the Accords.
I would have chosen deportation over mass murder but it doesn't change the fact that the situation is NOT Black and White and you'd have us believe.

 

 

Straight from the wiki. This shows that mages can interact with the public and thier families without becoming abominations or murdering willy nilly as you seem to expect. In fact I would say it proves just how responsible they can be if you give them the choice. As soon as this is discovered though, the chantry marches in the troops and attempts to put them to the sword. I sense a pattern

You are incorrect on several different accounts.

1- Mages in Southern Thedas are allowed to interact with their families. See Bethany who received visits from her family; including Gamlen who didn't have a sovereign to his name.

2-Becoming a Seer involves being possessed and thus, the mages of Rivain were, in fact, Abominations. Where is the responsability in that?

3- No one has ever doubted that mages can have interactions with the outside world without instanteneously becoming Abominations or murderers. The Chantry allows well behaved mages such as Wynne, Irving, Ines, Finn, Bethany, Rhys and even Adrian to leave the Circle on personal business.

4- Here is another quote from "The World of Thedas": "All decisions involving the wellfare of most Rivaini communities rest solely with the eldest women. The most senior of these women are called seers, who freely practice magic."

So, we have Rivaini mages not only allowing themselves to be possessed but to go so far as to rule the people of Rivaini.

5-The letter was written by the First Enchanter whose Circle was being Annulled. I believe we can assume there is a fair amount of bias in it.

 

And you're actually surprised the Chantry conducted a punishment? As it befits them for the Circle fall unders the jurisdiction of the Chantry and is behold to their laws.

[MisterJB]

Therinfal Redoubt

 

Spoiler

"I have heard the complaints. Some of you do not understand why we train in a castle in the wilderness when you're to seek out corruption among the masses. You question the Seekers' foresight. Doubt assails you. Why have you come to Therinfal? What can you learn here you could not on your own?

 

Patience is what you will learn. With no city to distract or tempt you, you will practice. You will fail. You will suffer. And when we are done, you will be a rock upon which demons break.

Now let us begin."

 

This transcription of a speech by Lord Seeker Alderai to a batch of students beginning advanced lessons is dated 7:70 Storm. The Seekers used Therinfal Redoubt as a training ground until around 8:99 Blessed, when their finances were insufficient to keep the fortress in desirable condition.

 

- From Notable Fortresses, Castles, Towers, and Other Edifices of Interest in Ferelden by Henry Lannon

Oh, that explains the condition of the place, plus the eyes drawn of the walls.

[The Elder King]

Therinfal Redoubt

 

Spoiler

"I have heard the complaints. Some of you do not understand why we train in a castle in the wilderness when you're to seek out corruption among the masses. You question the Seekers' foresight. Doubt assails you. Why have you come to Therinfal? What can you learn here you could not on your own?
 
Patience is what you will learn. With no city to distract or tempt you, you will practice. You will fail. You will suffer. And when we are done, you will be a rock upon which demons break.
Now let us begin."
 
This transcription of a speech by Lord Seeker Alderai to a batch of students beginning advanced lessons is dated 7:70 Storm. The Seekers used Therinfal Redoubt as a training ground until around 8:99 Blessed, when their finances were insufficient to keep the fortress in desirable condition.
 
- From Notable Fortresses, Castles, Towers, and Other Edifices of Interest in Ferelden by Henry Lannon

I'm quite sure now that this will be one of our fortresses.
It's the third one who was abandoned by some groups ( considering the one in Empris du Lion and the one in the Western Approach). I wonder in which region of Ferelden is located though.

[MisterJB]

Open question:

Where exactly is the responsability in allowing yourselves to be possessed by a creature beholden to nothing but an unnatainable ideal, who will shape your toughts and even control your body if you go against it. A creatue incapable of seeing beyond Black and White situations, who has no concept of time or, in fact, of anything beyond the ideal that composes them?

This is what the Seers practice. I ask, where is the responsability in this?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To that respect I agree. Templar's serve a purpose to protect mundanes from dangerous mages, but what makes them so dangerous? The fact that they're constantly being hunted down by the Templars, and fleeing mages who escape from the Circle only makes them more dangerous considering the fact that they no longer want to be part of the circle, and want to be free, at all cost, even risking their lives for total freedom.

 

As far as the Chantry caring for the sick... I sure as heck didn't see any of that help coming from Kirkwall. All the priests were doing was asking for donations, no service was being done down in darktown... In fact a certain mage was caring for Kirkwall's sick people, not the Chantry. Even those in high politics were going to that mage for health related issues. Not bad for being an apostate mage on the run from the chantry.

We have come across several mages over the past two games who have posed huge threats to people and had nothing to do with running from Templars. Baroness and Quentin are the first to come to mind. And despite how good a mage is, there is the constant threat of possession so there needs to be some sort of countermeasure in place since a single abomination can slaughter dozens if not hundreds of people before being stopped if there is no counter to it. 

 

And funny you mention that. I am currently playing DA2 and there was two sisters in the Chantry who were sad that there was so many people in Darktown who were refusing their help. And with a city the size of Kirkwall, there is no way Anders was the only healer there. And the high politician(singular) went down there because he had a STD so wanted it cured without people finding out, so he went to Anders. 

[Hellion Rex]

I'm quite sure now that this will be one of our fortresses.
It's the third one who was abandoned by some groups ( considering the one in Empris du Lion and the one in the Western Approach). I wonder in which region of Ferelden is located though.

The only heavily forest area I can think of might be the Brecilian?

[Hellion Rex]

Open question:

Where exactly is the responsability in allowing yourselves to be possessed by a creature beholden to nothing but an unnatainable ideal, who will shape your toughts and even control your body if you go against it. A creatue incapable of seeing beyond Black and White situations, who has no concept of time or, in fact, of anything beyond the ideal that composes them?

This is what the Seers practice. I ask, where is the responsability in this?

And yet, from what we hear, we have no proof that the Seers had any problems in dealing with abominations or even if any of them became abominations. The way it is often described is as if Seers only are temporarily possessed, and the spirits leave after a while.

[MisterJB]

And yet, from what we hear, we have no proof that the Seers had any problems in dealing with abominations. The way it is often described is as if Seers only are temporarily possessed, and the spirits leave after a while.

 

I'm pretty sure that's impossible by the Lore.

And we have been told that Abominations are viewed as "natural disasters" in Rivain which is quite unhealthy considering other nation have proven they can be prevented and also because it takes responsability for the massacres aways from the mage. I wonder if the fact the mages control the government has something to do with this different viewpoint.
 

[Hellion Rex]

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[MisterJB]

Great. More Red Templars.

[DKJaigen]

Because the Chantry isn't just locking away mages for fun, they do it because a mage can become a terrible danger to themselves and the people around them if not properly trained. Worse, people fear mages because of Tevinter and the long shadow they caste in peoples minds. So the Chantry has to protect mages from the public as well. A child gifted with magic could easily be target by a mob of fearful villagers which could end badly for all sides.

 

Now, that's not to say people within the Chantry have never used their teachings to justify heinous acts but you get that even with the mages. I mean Anders decided the best way to get mages their freedom was to kill a kindly old woman who was preventing Meredith from enacting an ROA. An act so bad that the Council of mages who wanted freedom denounced his actions and distanced themselves from what he did.

 

It should also be noted that the Chantry has tried to help mages. The Divine put in place a program that was meant to find away to remove a mages power (Something Bethany would be happy to do) without turning them tranquil....and it worked...sort of. The results were promising enough that the more reactionary Templars revolted in protest. It's a real shame too, since the Chantry was promoting research into an ancient issue that once resolve might've seen an end to the circles in due time. After all if you can simply take a mages powers away and leave them a normal person by all measures the circle becomes a lot less necessary.

 

Just think of the Circle as a thedas version of "Xaviers School for gifted Youngsters" taking in runaways, ensuring children with way too much power do not get out of hand and stopping those mage that are a threat to themselves and the world around them. They need to work out some bugs but the research I previously mentioned would've gone a long way to solving that issue.

 

You have a far to positive mindset about the chantry. The chantry doesnt help people , they are like everyone else: in pursuit of more power. The chantry is not their to help the mages they are their for power. And they keep the mages strong enough to be their attack dogs and weak enough for the templars to put them down if they become a problem. Why do you think that it took nearly a 1000 years for a solution to tranquilty was found? because the chantry doesn't want magical research! as the magical research may make the mages to powerful them to control. Now im pro circle and the idea of a shool of gifted youngsters is indeed appealing but they need to do so without a clear and pragmatic approach free religious bias.

 

if the chantry did that at  the beginning perhaps thedas would not need to face a demon invasion

 

My opinion the templar orders need to be wiped and chantry neutered. they will lose al economic, political and military power  if they cooperate. if then they will die. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You have a far to positive mindset about the chantry. The chantry doesnt help people , they are like everyone else: in pursuit of more power. 

These two things are not mutually exclusive. Every institution that helps people does it for several reasons, one reason being for more power. That's how the world works. 

[Mistic]

Therinfal Redoubt

 

Spoiler

"I have heard the complaints. Some of you do not understand why we train in a castle in the wilderness when you're to seek out corruption among the masses. You question the Seekers' foresight. Doubt assails you. Why have you come to Therinfal? What can you learn here you could not on your own?

 

Patience is what you will learn. With no city to distract or tempt you, you will practice. You will fail. You will suffer. And when we are done, you will be a rock upon which demons break.

Now let us begin."

 

This transcription of a speech by Lord Seeker Alderai to a batch of students beginning advanced lessons is dated 7:70 Storm. The Seekers used Therinfal Redoubt as a training ground until around 8:99 Blessed, when their finances were insufficient to keep the fortress in desirable condition.

 

- From Notable Fortresses, Castles, Towers, and Other Edifices of Interest in Ferelden by Henry Lannon

 

Nice! More keeps for the Inquisition! Occupy Therinfal Redoubt!

 

These two things are not mutually exclusive. Every institution that helps people does it for several reasons, one reason being for more power. That's how the world works. 

 

Well said. It's as if pragmatic villainy doesn't exist, or as if positive actions can only come from positive motives. No wonder some people were surprised when they read the epilogues for Bhelen and Harrowmont in DA:O.

[Chari]

Maker bless everyone who can see beyond black and white morals and not blindly support destructive mass murderers like Anders and blood mages instead of trying to resolve a problem by peaceful or at least fair and intelligent means

[Chari]

How about... "I just don't care about any of this?" I'm all for peace, but I hate being a "big player" in any of these matters. To hell with politics and religion.

My Hawke just wanted to be an adventurer. I didn't leave Athenril's employ because I suddenly wanted to be some revolutionary. I just didn't want to live in Gamlen's pisshole any longer. These are simple goals. The only reason it got bigger is because of Anders. I wish he could've had his own stupid game, and left mine alone. lol

I understand you. That's how half of my Hawkes felt:people dragged them in lots of stupid conflicts

[Jaison1986]

How about... "I just don't care about any of this?" I'm all for peace, but I hate being a "big player" in any of these matters. To hell with politics and religion.

 

My Hawke just wanted to be an adventurer. I didn't leave Athenril's employ because I suddenly wanted to be some revolutionary. I just didn't want to live in Gamlen's pisshole any longer. These are simple goals. The only reason it got bigger is because of Anders. I wish he could've had his own stupid game, and left mine alone. lol

 

Funny thing is, as an mage I would completely agree with this reasoning, but my rogue saw Bethany being dragged away, and then... it got really personal from there. I'm all for peace and reasoning too, but when both sides become utterly crazy and stupid, there is pretty much no more room for negotiation left.

[DRTJR]

The Chantry is the unifying force that allows Thedas a fighting shot against the Qunari hordes.

I also doubt that Elthina was advocating peace because she was power hungry.

[The Elder King]

The only heavily forest area I can think of might be the Brecilian?

Where the dalish in the Origins in Brecilian as well? Maybe there are other big forests, even if not as big as Brecilian.  

Great. More Red Templars.

It's seems very likely that the RT are the group we'll likely face the most in DAI (they're in at least 4 locations for now, 5 considering the one in the trailer).
I'm still waiting to see the location that would deal with the mage-templar war (if it's present) to see if there are normal templars.

[The Elder King]

Nevermind

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Where the dalish in the Origins in Brecilian as well? Maybe there are other big forests, even if not as big as Brecilian. 
 

The Brecilian Forest takes up like 15% of Ferelden though, so there is plenty of room for this one keep and the Dalish who occassionally live there. I mean, it also has one of Fereldens biggest cities and they never have problems with the Dalish.

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I can understand a lot of arguments against Elthina, but she was definitely not power hungry. Could you explain your stance?

I think they are saying they doubt she was power hungry.

[The Elder King]

I think they are saying they doubt she was power hungry.

Yeah, I misunderstood.
About Brecilian, I know that's plently of space. I was just saying I'm not sure it's there.
About the new location, I thought it was different from the one shown in the environment trailer, but now I think it's the same.