And I don't give a flying sword about your strong biased opinion about how we should all support the Chantry. The hatred for mages flows through your blood doesn't it? Keep the hate flowing Chantry priest
Go hide inside your chantry building until retribution day finally arrives when you priest will become our servitudes. Just remember that I like my robes to be ironed and my boots shined up.
Then why are you in a thread about it?
Also, Pro-Chanty =/= Anti-Mage.
He/she will blow up her, of courseI take it back, this is the last thing I will say.
Which makes you just as bad as the Templars in my book, deciding that since you can't control it, you'll just destroy it.
I can't WAIT to see how you deal with Viv since she supports the Circle system.
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Your post is so hard to read with all these pictures.
Just because Meredith is out of her mind doesn't mean that Anders is right. You may think that "peace" with a side clearly facing more hardships than the other is a travesty, but no one wanted an open war other than Anders and the zealots separatists that attacked you when you went to meet Leliana can't remember the name of their faction.
I don't understand why you focus so much on Elthina when she is just a medium. Just because she said that none would touch her? Anders didn't kill her so she can't give the neutrality speech. He sacrificed her so the templars would have a reason to attack and the mages would be forced to defend themselves. Her job is to keep the peace, to give a reason to the Divine's armies not to attack and raze the whole city. Whatever her attitude, she only cares to minimize the losses. If Anders wanted so much to get rid of Meredith he should bomb her. The result would pretty much be the same, even better. Most Hawkes would even agree to help him.
But that's what terrorists do. They target those that can't defend themselves so the authorities would have to chase them around and play by their rules.
Then why are you in a thread about it?
Also, Pro-Chanty =/= Anti-Mage.
Because I find this thread to be highly interesting.
I take it back, this is the last thing I will say.
Which makes you just as bad as you claim the Templars are in my book, deciding that since you can't control it, you'll just destroy it.
I can't WAIT to see how you deal with Viv since she supports the Circle system.
Funny how you mention Viv because base on the information that was given to us, I am actually like her. I'm very pro Circle system... Just that I firmly believe that the Chantry should have no part of it. The Circle of Magi should be run by the countries government (King Alistair running Fereldens circle,etc), not a religious organization.
The Circle of Magi should be a college for mages, not a prison.
Funny how you mention Viv because base on the information that was given to us, I am actually like her. I'm very pro Circle system... Just that I firmly believe that the Chantry should have no part of it. The Circle of Magi should be run by the countries government (King Alistair running Fereldens circle,etc), not a religious organization.
Because there is no way the nation's governments will abuse that and use the mages as weapons. 
The Circle should be a separate entity, like the Wardens. The Templars, or whatever takes the equivalent role of them, should be attached to solely the Circle.
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Funny how you mention Viv because base on the information that was given to us, I am actually like her. I'm very pro Circle system... Just that I firmly believe that the Chantry should have no part of it. The Circle of Magi should be run by the countries government (King Alistair running Fereldens circle,etc), not a religious organization.
The Circle of Magi should be a college for mages, not a prison.
If it wasn't for the Chantry, the Circle wouldn't even exist. Mages would just be hunted down over and over again, with no refuge or formal education. It was chaos after the first blight, when mage hunters ran rampant. They created the Circles at first to protect them from the likes of mage hunters, and because they thought mages could do good. It was the Chantry that was trying to not be zealots. It's gone bad because many Templars only see themselves as mage hunters now, like the old days.
"The thing to remember as well is that the Circles were created to help Thedas as well. We had the Blights, and the first Circles were created shortly after the first Blight. The mages become vitally important when there's a Blight in order to combat the darkspawn. So it wasn't like the Chantry wanted to cripple the mages, they wanted them to have the power they needed to help humanity." - Gaider
If it wasn't for the Chantry, the Circle wouldn't even exist. Mages would just be hunted down over and over again, with no refuge or formal education. It was chaos after the first blight, when mage hunters ran rampant. They created the Circles at first to protect them from the likes of mage hunters, and because they thought mages could do good. It was the Chantry that was trying to not be zealots. It's gone bad because many Templars only see themselves as mage hunters now, like the old days.
"The thing to remember as well is that the Circles were created to help Thedas as well. We had the Blights, and the first Circles were created shortly after the first Blight. The mages become vitally important when there's a Blight in order to combat the darkspawn. So it wasn't like the Chantry wanted to cripple the mages, they wanted them to have the power they needed to help humanity." - Gaider
With them saying things like this game will show the human side of both factions where DA2 showed the worse, it makes one hopeful that this tragedy will at least remind everyone why the system was created and what the roles should be.
Oh, look. A pro terrorist mage supremacist on BSNAnd I don't give a flying sword about your strong biased opinion about how we should all support the Chantry. The hatred for mages flows through your blood doesn't it? Keep the hate flowing Chantry priest
Um, it was because of a few Blood mages that the disaster at the Ferelden Circle happened. The disaster in Blackmarsh was caused by one. And let's not forget the good old Blights were caused by a few blood mages.
And I meant few as in "a small percentage". If 1 out of say 20 Templars become Red Templars, then they are a few Templars.
They have three factions: Those who stayed loyal to the Chantry(will probably become the Inquisition), those who broke away but still follow their creed, and then the Red Templars. The Mages are more divided than that by their Fraternities.
I missed some info about the reasons templars split from the chantry. I actually thought that the Circles stayed under chantry authority and templars just antagonized everyone but it seems it's not the case. So yea I've been mistaken on this one. I thought templars were the enemy and just some of them were crazy.
It doesn't matter where you go, people will find some way of segmenting into fanatical groups, tossing labels around like salad, and then vehemently fighting over who is smarter. Me thinks things are being taken a wee bit too seriously.
As to the topic, I don't see why there wouldn't be an option to support the Chantry. There's always been an option to accept blessings and whatnot, so why wouldn't there be an option to at least express your support as we have in the past? And I honestly don't care about it personally.
I'd bold my changes, but the new forum while it is easier to use takes away a lot of what I'm able to do while on a mobile device... I can't even post pictures. *single tear
Then why are you in a thread about it?
Also, Pro-Chanty =/= Anti-Mage.
Just Pro-locking up mage.
If it wasn't for the Chantry, the Circle wouldn't even exist. Mages would just be hunted down over and over again, with no refuge or formal education. It was chaos after the first blight, when mage hunters ran rampant. They created the Circles at first to protect them from the likes of mage hunters, and because they thought mages could do good. It was the Chantry that was trying to not be zealots. It's gone bad because many Templars only see themselves as mage hunters now, like the old days.
"The thing to remember as well is that the Circles were created to help Thedas as well. We had the Blights, and the first Circles were created shortly after the first Blight. The mages become vitally important when there's a Blight in order to combat the darkspawn. So it wasn't like the Chantry wanted to cripple the mages, they wanted them to have the power they needed to help humanity." - Gaider
You're right. Without the Chantry the Circle would cease to exist. The concept of it is a great idea, and should be kept, but poorly managed with ridiculous regulations and standards. The Libertarians from the Fraternities of Enchanters are not against the Circle, and didn't even want the circle to depart (Like it did in Asunder), just want the circle to become autonomous, self-regulating order without the Chantries interferance whatsoever. The Chantry turned the Circle of Magi into a prison. Mages as young as 6 are forcefully taken away from their homes and taken to the circle where they don't truly experience true love. The mages are not allowed to have children of their own, and once a mage comes to full terms, and gives birth, the chantry takes the child away as soon as it comes out from the mother without ever allowing the mother mage to have the bonding experience that she needs during such duress times.
If "The mages become vitally important when there's a Blight in order to combat the darkspawn" then why treat these important beings like a bunch of prisoners, and to lock them up in some tower away from the rest of society?
"The mages have served us well, in many wars over many centuries, yet in times of peace how well have we served them? We mean them no harm, yet have we not harmed them even so?" - divine justinia v (From Asunder)
People react positively by the rewarding system. You do something good and you'll be rewarded. Whatever happen to all of the remaining surviving mages that fought the blight, and help saved Ferelden from the blight? Did they get a clemency from the Chantry by granting them their total freedom? Or did the Chantry forgot what these mages did, and just tossed them back into their circle prison where they do nothing but read books all day? Sure they gave Wynne some freedom, but what about the rest?
When a mage undergo the Harrowing and passes... why aren't they allowed to leave the circle as they please? They've proven to the Templar's that they can resist demonic possession. Instead they teach the gullible mundanes how dangerous mages truly are, and that they can "save" them from the evil mages. That is why mages are bullied and ridiculed. Some mages even hate themselves, wishes that the Templars would just kill them because they were taught that they were a curse to society all thanks to the Chantry.
"You mean us every harm! It's the Chantry that teaches them to fear us! "You keep us under your thumb, reminding us again and again how you let us live only because we're useful!" - Angry mage (Asunder)
You're right. Without the Chantry the Circle would cease to exist. The concept of it is a great idea, and should be kept, but poorly managed with ridiculous regulations and standards. The Libertarians from the Fraternities of Enchanters are not against the Circle, and didn't even want the circle to depart (Like it did in Asunder), just want the circle to become autonomous, self-regulating order without the Chantries interferance whatsoever.
What difference is that from departing from the Chantry? The Libertarians wanted independence, and that has been said from the very caodex entry about fraternities in DA:O. They were advocates of that in Asunder.
If "The mages become vitally important when there's a Blight in order to combat the darkspawn" then why treat these important beings like a bunch of prisoners, and to lock them up in some tower away from the rest of society?
Because common knowledge says that mages are capable of things almost as bad as a Blight. In fact, legend says that the very existence of the darkspawn is the mages' fault, so no wonder people in power distrust them. You can't say "mages haven't done anything wrong to justify that treatment" because Thedosian history teaches us that they did. Another thing is that today innocents pay for the sins of sinners.
People react positively by the rewarding system. You do something good and you'll be rewarded. Whatever happen to all of the remaining surviving mages that fought the blight, and help saved Ferelden from the blight? Did they get a clemency from the Chantry by granting them their total freedom? Or did the Chantry forgot what these mages did, and just tossed them back into their circle prison where they do nothing but read books all day? Sure they gave Wynne some freedom, but what about the rest?
Although I agree that the rewarding system is better (and that has been part of the Circle's main problem, too many sticks and few carrots), you shouldn't expect a reward for doing your duty.
You talk about the mages. What about the Fereldan soldiers? What about the templars? What about the dwarves? What about the elves? The boon was granted to the Warden, because he or she went beyond the call of duty and managed the impossible, to unite a broken country and defeat a Blight in record time. The rest? They were required to fight because of ancient treaties, so they should be content that they won. I mean, at least the mages were fighting for the land they live in, unlike the Dalish or the Dwarves.
Anyway, back to topic. My main Inquisitor will be a male talvashoth warrior, who supports peace through discipline and power and isn't afraid of dirty job. Hates qunari, fears and envies mages and fully supports Gaspard and chantry, worships Andraste
I can't wait to see the reaction of Chantry, templars and mages to this wtf. I bet they've never seen someone so strange
Ha! That must be hilarious! I hope there are good options to express religious belief (or the lack of it), but I'm afraid it will be just token mentions in dialogue, not unlike Hawke's or the Warden's case.
Great, Raijin's off his meds again. Has he already started to talk about burning churches to the ground?
Yes the templars are armed and armored. But their swords will break their armor will rust and they will still have to eat and require to feed the mages (unless they just plan on killing them all) and how exactly are they going to pay for this without being able to dip into the churches coffers?
They are an extremely powerful private army in a time of war. That means the last thing they'll be wanting for is jobs and money.
Great, Raijin's off his meds again. Has he already started to talk about burning churches to the ground?
Yes (the one in Thedas, to be clear).
Lovely. Next should be about how the Chantry is spreading propaganda by teaching people that mages are dangerous and that the way to combat this is by teaching them mages are not dangerous because that is so not propaganda just shut up.
Lovely. Next should be about how the Chantry is spreading propaganda by teaching people that mages are dangerous and that the way to combat this is by teaching them mages are not dangerous because that is so not propaganda just shut up.
Lovely. Next should be about how the Chantry is spreading propaganda by teaching people that mages are dangerous and that the way to combat this is by teaching them mages are not dangerous because that is so not propaganda just shut up.
I get the impression you've seen this pattern before.
It honestly amazes me how much blame people lay at the Chantry's feet especially when we have some rather notable examples of the organization trying to help. L.R. even uses a line from the Current Divine (who was arguing for the better treatment of mages) to prove a point. To me that shows the Chantry is more inclined to help mages, a fact that causes the more reactionary Templars to abandon them. Elthina (who L.R. likes to vilify in an attempt to make Anders look good) held back a Knight-Commander who she didn't realize had been driven insane due to red lyrium.
Almost as unbelievable is the idea that the solution is to simply remove the Chantry from the equation, claiming that all commoners will just instantly accept Mages without that Chantry in the way, ignoring just how much fear and distrust there is out there for the magically gifted. Let's be honest here, Lambert was an educated Knight Templar from Tevinter a place where mages are in power. He was sympathetic to mages, but after being betrayed by one he held as an example to others turned against them. How many people can tell similar stories, how many commonors have seen or heard stories of a mage going bad and killing many people around them or just plain controlling the minds of others through forbidden magic. History and humanity's nature for fearing the unknown will keep the distrust alive and well even if the Chantry is gone.
My own Qunari Inquisitor will believe in the Maker and view the Chantry as a flawed but overall positive organization, and one that can be worked with the effect greater change. Afterall it's not all about the mages, their are elves and small folk being trampled as those with power (Rulers, warriors, mages and monsters) fight to keep what they've got or take more.
This is the kind of Inquisitor I want to be.
How so? Just because a few radical Templars turn to the mind-controlling Red Lyrium, it means all Templars are faring terribly? That's like saying because a few radical mages turn to Blood Magic, all Mages will be faring terribly without the Circles.
Considering Lamberts plan for quick victory has already fallen in complete ruin the templars are either desperate in need for lyrium or the mages are actually winning the war and the templars turned to red lyrium for extra power.
The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom.
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