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[Exaltation]

If Flemeth isn't killed in DAO does that mean there will be 2 Flemeths?

Are they aware of eachother's existence?

Hive mind?

Can 1 Flemeth decide she is "the real" one and try to kill the other in order to be the only powerful Mage?

[aTigerslunch]

Nope she was killed then part of her reborn. Kinda like resurrected.

[aTigerslunch]

The encounter with Hawke is before the Warden goes to slay Flemeth. She made sure she would be brought back. Flemeth knows powers thats lost to most everyone else.

[Lady Nuggins]

I assumed that either way, her essence is pulled to the pendant after Hawke performs the ritual.  

[aTigerslunch]

Yes, well after Merrill does anyways.

[Thedas-stargazer32]

lol two Flemeths, I'd pay to see that verbal encounter xD But yea, I always assumed she split her power/consciousness into parts as a failsafe, kinda like Voldemort. But you never know, she's very mysterious even for the dragon age-universe. I hope in DA:I more is revealed about her because she's a very fascinating character.

[Solas]

no 'cause:

 

i) the encounter is optional

ii) the encounter, if it takes place, happens before flemeth rescues hawke (afaik? correct me if I'm wrong)

iii) she ensured her safety with her flemethhorcrux anyway

iv) knowing flemeth i have a feeling that even if there was no horcrux a fight with the warden and co wouldn't be enough to end her permanently. it's flemeth we're talking about here

 

two flemeths is a pretty mindbending, terrifying thought tho..

[aTigerslunch]

Actually the encounter happens after rescuing Hawke. Cause you cant get the grimoire without Lothering being destroyed first.

Warden destroys her partially as Flemeth made a back up plan to revive herself. She may been weakened but not destroyed. If Warden doesnt attack Flemeth then I figure its a teleport effect to leave the area so that its believed she died or what not.

[Nightdragon8]

no 'cause:

 

i) the encounter is optional

ii) the encounter, if it takes place, happens before flemeth rescues hawke (afaik? correct me if I'm wrong)

iii) she ensured her safety with her flemethhorcrux anyway

iv) knowing flemeth i have a feeling that even if there was no horcrux a fight with the warden and co wouldn't be enough to end her permanently. it's flemeth we're talking about here

 

two flemeths is a pretty mindbending, terrifying thought tho..

ii) The Warden killing Flemith encounter, long long after Lothering gets destoryed . Hawke and family where running away from Lothering 'as' it was being ransacked. So it was after the wardens left Lothering. And you only learn of the killing Flemith after at least 2 different cities, in Da:O. so there are no paradoxs here.

[Adaar the Unbound]

Flemeths encounter with Hawke was before the Warden fights her, but the ritual happened after. I always figured that Flemeth made you do the ritual because she knew Morrigan was going to have the Warden kill her and the ritual saved her. After the ritual, Flemeth says "You may have saved my life as I saved yours and if I know my Morrigan" I don't know what she says after that and I'm not sure that is exactly what she said,but you guys get the point.

EDIT: I also assumed they made the Warden/Flemeth fight canon like they did with Leliana not dying.

[MisterJB]

The devs have long since confirmed that, if the Warden did not kill Flemeth, you're playing the game wrong and messing up their canon.

 

Ok, sorry, sorry. Just kidding. What they did say is that, if the Warden did not kill Flemeth, the amulet served as a teleporter of sorts, hence why she mentions how Hawke smuggled her.

[DarkDragon777]

It's basically already implied that she can or does use multiple bodies anyway. She's described as a being that can project herself in many places at once.

[Setiweb]

I still want to know about this appointment she had to keep.

[Tayah]

I still want to know about this appointment she had to keep.

I thought that was with the warden because she knew Morrigan would try something and intended to be there to see what that led too... she had her fail safe in place after all. Or it had to do with the plan she and Morrigan had for the Dark Ritual but I think she meant the warden and whatever scheme Morrigan hatched.

 

Or maybe I'm completely wrong and it's something else entirely... who really knows with Flemeth. 

[Thomas Andresen]

I thought that was with the warden because she knew Morrigan would try something and intended to be there to see what that led too... she had her fail safe in place after all. Or it had to do with the plan she and Morrigan had for the Dark Ritual but I think she meant the warden and whatever scheme Morrigan hatched.

I'm thinking she has some sort of limited prescience, but don't want to stop what's coming "'cause it's too fun to watch it play out." Very much a force of chaos, as literal as can be. On the other hand, I don't think she was lying when she said she wouldn't survive if a blight went unopposed; in fact, I think the only lies she was guilty of, at least with the Warden, was by omission.

But yes, I very much think that the "appointment" was the confrontation with the Warden. She knew it was coming, and was far too interested in how it'd play out to even want to avoid it.

[Setiweb]

I don't believe the appointment was the confrontation with the warden at Morrigan's behest.  The ritual that Merrill performed with the amulet happened after the blight was already stopped.  So that encounter would've already taken place.

 

She also said she didn't want to be followed.  How does one follow a flying high dragon?

[Chibi Elemental]

even if your warden does not kill Flemeth, our cute little apostate Morgan would probably have found a way to kill her regardless and Flemeth's dialogue reflexes this. For the people who did it gives affirmation of their deed, for those who did not it just shows how resourceful that girl can be.

[dgcatanisiri]

Flemeth implies that she's perfectly content to have multiple bodies running around at her pleasure. Whether or not you believe her (or whether or not she's telling the truth) is a matter we're definitely far from knowing for certain.

 

But I would expect that there are two possibilities for her various selves. Either they rejoin one another at her discretion (I see her as a single entity with one mind controlling any and all bodies, rather than copies of the original) or, because of the overriding control of Flemeth herself, each body knows where any others are and stays out of the way, lest they interfere with one of her many plans.

[Tayah]

I don't believe the appointment was the confrontation with the warden at Morrigan's behest.  The ritual that Merrill performed with the amulet happened after the blight was already stopped.  So that encounter would've already taken place.

 

She also said she didn't want to be followed.  How does one follow a flying high dragon?

She gives the amulet to Hawke after she saves the wardens at the tower but before that confrontation takes place in case it goes badly for her and to fool Morrigan and the warden that they have killed her or that she is gone if it doesn't. She expects the ritual to happen after the blight is hopefully ended... I agree with Thomas Andreson in that Flemeth truly knows that even she would not survive the blight in the wilds... perhaps the amulet was her way of giving herself a chance of escaping that if Morrigan didn't find a way of fighting her and or the wardens failed to stop it.

 

I'd bet she planned for more than one eventuality though she is Flemeth after all. 

[Former_Fiend]

I think that when/if you kill Flemeth in Origins, you killed that particular body. Morrigan just knows that Flemeth likely has a contingency in place for that.

 

As for what would happen should the two Flemeth's meet, I imagine that a hive mind situation is the most likely. I certainly don't see them coming to blows with each other; from Flemeth's DA2 dialogue after summoning her from the amulet, she described it as being in more than one place at the same time(she didn't limit it to two, either), so to me, I'd interpret it as they're both the same Flemeth. They're just two windows for Flemeth to see out of, two hands for her to act through.