It may nor justify completely but it explains a lot
That's judgement of someone who has never lost a close person to a murderer. Or if lost, never truly cared
Losing loved ones is one of the biggest psychological traumas ever possible. There is literally no full cure from its consequences
Do not assume things you know nothing about.
Oh I guess she just could have let it go, right?Then perhaps she shouldn't have started systematically murdering whole groups of people?
I could say the same thing to youDo not assume things you know nothing about.
But generally elves are victims. Humans are conquerers. Humans are much more responsible and deserve much more judgement
It isn't. But it is true
They were. They blamed dalish elves for hatred towards humans and Velanna as well. You know, people whose culture was destroyed and whose people were enslaved and genocided. Aka victims.
So, victim blaming
I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. Two people who are guilty of the exact same crime should recieve the exact same judgement. To argue that one party is more responsible than another just reveals your bias.
According to the Dalish.
Again, victim blaming. It doesn't mean what you're arguing it means.
But generally elves are victims. Humans are conquerers. Humans are much more responsible and deserve much more judgement
I could say the same thing to you
You don't know and don't want to even t think of how Velanna feels. You don't know how she felt yet you judge
I reserve the right to judge murderers. How Velanna feels is not my concern, only her actions. That she can't control herself and kill strangers for an assumed crime is something I can freely pass judgment upon.
Anyway, all this elf vs. human stuff is simply a catalyst for her rage, but while it provides an explanation, doesn't really absolve her of any responsibility.
Oh I guess she just could have let it go, right?
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Wow. Such an advice is truly heartless
Besides humans do it all the time. The player does it all the time. I don't see people bullying their fans
Not going on a murder spree of innocent people is heartless!?!?
Ok, i'm out, I cant do this anymore.
That's just truthI'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. Two people who are guilty of the exact same crime should recieve the exact same judgement. To argue that one party is more responsible than another just reveals your bias.
According to the Dalish.
Again, victim blaming. It doesn't mean what you're arguing it means.
That's truth. Read the lore.How can you generalize entire races like that? Seriously, that's ridiculous.
You also can't blame humans for what their ancestors did centuries ago. That's like blaming modern day Japanese for the Pacific War, 70 years after it occurred.
That's just truth
According to lore
Are elves discriminated against? Yes they are. Are they victims? Yes they are
No, it's not the lore. You're basically saying "every human ever is a conquerer and every elf ever is only a victim".That's truth. Read the lore.
As I said before the situation nowadays is diffident. But it took us ventures to evolve. Situation in Thedas hasn't changed
That's just truth
According to lore
Are elves discriminated against? Yes they are. Are they victims? Yes they are
Then the issue here is the vicious cycle. If elves mistrustful of humans convey this mistrust in senseless violence, it will only diminish those among the humans who would have otherwise been sympathetic to their plight. In the end, culpability will also lie with them.
It doesn't any of our companions. But if we took only pure ones the whole gang would be Wynne, Alistair and the mabariI reserve the right to judge murderers. How Velanna feels is not my concern, only her actions. That she can't control herself and kill strangers for an assumed crime is something I can freely pass judgment upon.
Anyway, all this elf vs. human stuff is simply a catalyst for her rage, but while it provides an explanation, doesn't really absolve her of any responsibility.
Valenna was of use, so I let her live, just like Zevran was, so he lived too. I don't care about the purity of a character. After all, where's the fun in that? The point is, she's fully responsible for her actions. Her feelings don't change that. The only companion I've ever killed is Anders.
Did elves genocide whole human civilisations?And what's your solution?
Discriminating against humans? Killing innocent humans?
Congratulations, you just made the elves as bad, or in the latter case, worse than those who discriminate against them.
How many sympathisers exist there? Less than those who are againstThen the issue here is the vicious cycle. If elves mistrustful of humans convey this mistrust in senseless violence, it will only diminish those among the humans who would have otherwise been sympathetic to their plight. In the end, culpability will also lie with them.
Did elves genocide whole human civilisations?
So no, they aren't so bad. Biased but for a good reason
The whole Thedas judges elves. And its canonLike I said, it's pathetic to judge entire races on the actions of a few(and in the past).
The only ones that can be truly judged are individuals and Valenna has no right to murder for discrimination.
There is also no excuse for being biased, it just shows your own weakness. Only ignorant fools are biased to the extent of Velanna.
The whole Thedas judges elves. And its canon
The whole Thedas judges elves. And its canon
Shoot, at the height of Arlathan's power, elves treated the lower rung of society much like the humans typically treat the elves of the alienage. They can't even seem to catch a break from each other.
Velanna is less of an outright racist, and she's personally much less abrasive to you as a human Warden, but there's a big gulf between that and her no longer being a racist. The extent to which she abandons her racism matters, because it's the starting point for her character arc. A romance arc about someone learning not to be a racist is like someone IRL dating a white supremacit and teaching them they shouldn't be one. It's just not something I would enjoy seeing at all.
You say it's a "big" gulf, and yet BioWare showed us that she does have the capacity to change. My opinion is that I'd like to see it happen. If it's just something you wouldn't like, that's fine, but your comparison doesn't reflect what I would be looking for anyhow. It would be more like someone dating a former white supremacist, after teaching them that they shouldn't be one. Unless you think that people don't deserve a chance to change at all, or find it disgusting for a person to be accepted after changing. In which case... it doesn't matter. It just means we disagree.
Every man, woman and child? Every infant?
Nope.
And even if they do, as long as there is a single person who doesn't, your statement is wrong.
Read TMI, codex and novels
Elves's lower position in society is one of the major social problems of Thedas. It is designed to be so. Elves are - forgive me for my crude comparison - like Jews in RL. Only recently they finally become treated with less racism than before. Prior to that every major religion, every influental race and every powerful nation thought of them as rats.
Elves and quarians are far from such acception. They live in the worst coniditions. Even some slaves in Tevinter live better than city elves. They are not allowed to get a proper education, a high-ranking job, a home outside alienage
Celene tried to change that and was vigourosly opposed by all the nobility
It is true nowadays that hating people for what their ancestors did centuries ago is unfair. But the problem is, the people of Thedas still do what their ancestors did. This is how medieval times worked: a strict social hierarchy with almost no chance of better place for the lowest classes. Elves are the lowest social class in Thedas. Lower can only by vashoths, but they are not even a social class - just outsiders
Shoot, at the height of Arlathan's power, elves treated the lower rung of society much like the humans typically treat the elves of the alienage. They can't even seem to catch a break from each other.
High elves of Arlathan treated lower elves like nobility treats peasants and middle class. Which is natural for any system with hierarchy, unfair, but is still better than what happens between humans and elves
Velanna is hardly a champion of the elves, in fact she was booted from her clan for the exact extreme behavior folks don't like on here. She is a selfish sociopath. She uses her elvish background as an excuse to do what she wanted to do anyway, kill people. Anyone in front of her rage is a target human or elf. All of our companions have had flaws and blindspots, but few have been terrorists, and even Anders was better than she; Velanna refuses to see anything she doesn't want to see and tries to kill you because you annoy her and contradict her behavior. She's horrible.
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Velanna is hardly a champion of the elves, in fact she was booted from her clan for the exact extreme behavior folks don't like on here. She is a selfish sociopath. She uses her elvish background as an excuse to do what she wanted to do anyway, kill people. Anyone in front of her rage is a target human or elf. All of our companions have had flaws and blindspots, but few have been terrorists, and even Anders was better than she; Velanna refuses to see anything she doesn't want to see and tries to kill you because you annoy her and contradict her behavior. She's horrible.
She isn't supposed to be liked by everyone for sure. The only ones who should be recruiting her are the more understanding/merciful types, willing to figure out what makes a person like her tick. There's nothing wrong with not feeling the obligation to.
That said, the dialogue is a bit different if you're Dalish. For a human, you have to be the more sympathetic type of human to give a ****.
Velanna is hardly a champion of the elves, in fact she was booted from her clan for the exact extreme behavior folks don't like on here. She is a selfish sociopath. She uses her elvish background as an excuse to do what she wanted to do anyway, kill people. Anyone in front of her rage is a target human or elf. All of our companions have had flaws and blindspots, but few have been terrorists, and even Anders was better than she; Velanna refuses to see anything she doesn't want to see and tries to kill you because you annoy her and contradict her behavior. She's horrible.
Bullshit. She is not a sociopath. A sociopath has no ability of compassion. Velanna loves her sister and her clanmates. That's why she is angry, that's why she is rampaging. Because she cares
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