I never really connected with her. I kind of felt like all the Awakenings companions were just filler companions - less interesting than the ones in the main game.
At some point, continuously running into people you met in other games starts to make the world feel really small, instead of really big. So I could do without Velanna.
The point doesn't stand. He has people (like me) who consider him (him = Anders) to be a mass-murderer far worse than Velanna. Just because he has others who support him doesn't make him a universally accepted companion.....
Sure, Zev is warped by his life so his moral compass sucks, he is probably worse than Velanna in the long run, since his murders are covered by his position as a crow and can go on indefinitely, while Velanna would have eventually attracted enough attention to have been hunted down and killed like the criminal she was.
Wrath can only burn so long. Try staying super, super mad at someone for more than a day, wrath burns and fades. She continues her attacks for weeks, that requires calculation, a cold rage. Adrenaline lasts for hours at most, that's why Sten surrendered. He had a similar situation to Velanna's (his break was because he lost his soul/honor/sword, so to us it seems less justified, but thats imposing our view point on him) and yet he stops with his murders.
Most of our companions have/continue to murder people. That doesn't excuse any of their actions. Most of them try to make up for it, Velanna has to have her face smashed in the truth before she even considers talking to you. She is as bad as our worst companions (Zev, Issy... alright not as bad as Anders). I would give her a second chance, she is powerful and the greater good says to use that power to fight the darkspawn rather than just execute her, but executing her would be a justified answer.
Anders has so many fans that he could cool down the sun if he wanted. Yeah, he's got haters. But Velanna's got more haters than Sebastian. And that's many...
Cold rage is still tage. It's that bitter thorn in your side which you can't remove. The more you move, the more it hurts. The fact that she was completelly alone for weeks, surrounded by bodies of her comrades which she had to bury all by herself surelly didn't help her mental state
You may as well execute them all. All except Wynne and Alistair has done something criminal in their life. As for me, I think she is more than worth giving a second chance. She pays for her mistakes by giving up everything and becoming a grey warden, fightning darkspawn and trying to find her sister. She is stil la murderer. Bt so are our companions and even our player
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I never really connected with her. I kind of felt like all the Awakenings companions were just filler companions - less interesting than the ones in the main game.
At some point, continuously running into people you met in other games starts to make the world feel really small, instead of really big. So I could do without Velanna.
I'm kind of half and half here. I have favorites scattered across both. I dislike Alistair almost completely at this point. Nathaniel is a way cooler human noble representative to me. Sigrun is a way cooler melee rogue than Zevran to me. Velanna, to me, is necessary. The Dalish got gypped in DAO, unless you played the origin yourself. Plus, she's a mage. And I think her anger and rage is a story worth telling. Whether it's disgusting or not, I think it's necessary to see how pissed some of them are. We get the frolicking nice girl elf with Merrill later on.
Anders has so many fans that he could cool down the sun if he wanted. Yeah, he's got haters. But Velanna's got more haters than Sebastian. And that's many...
Cold rage is still tage. It's that bitter thorn in your side which you can't remove. The more you move, the more it hurts. The fact that she was completelly alone for weeks, surrounded by bodies of her comrades which she had to bury all by herself surelly didn't help her mental state
You may as well execute them all. All except Wynne and Alistair has done something criminal in their life. As for me, I think she is more than worth giving a second chance. She pays for her mistakes by giving up everything and becoming a grey warden, fightning darkspawn and trying to find her sister. She is stil la murderer. Bt so are our companions and even our player
Alright, I can agree with that.
Except I disagree that Leliana is also as guilty as the rest. From what we see in Lel's Song dlc and in convo's she does enjoy the game, but she doesn't enjoy killing for its own sake, only for its effect on the game. Plus she joins the Chantry in repentance, that's a whole lot of regret.
Alright, I can agree with that.
Except I disagree that Leliana is also as guilty as the rest. From what we see in Lel's Song dlc and in convo's she does enjoy the game, but she doesn't enjoy killing for its own sake, only for its effect on the game. Plus she joins the Chantry in repentance, that's a whole lot of regret.
Yeah, she does. But Velanna as well changes.
They all do, to some extent
Yeah, she does. But Velanna as well changes.
They all do, to some extent
Even Zev.... although his change is going from 'I'm happy to kill people' to 'I'm happy to kill people for you'... so not much improvement.
Do they even have a dwarven female model for DA2? Terribly neglected, I agree.
Exactly. They don't have a dwarven female model for DA2, only male.
We can only hope for another female dwarf companion as well as a female Qunari in the future DA games.
Even Zev.... although his change is going from 'I'm happy to kill people' to 'I'm happy to kill people for you'... so not much improvement.
I'm not excusing Zev but comparing his case to Velanna's is nonesense. I love both characters so very much (Velanna a tad bit more than Zev but,):
Zevran was sold, tortured, and forced to do these tasks. Being sold into the Crows meant you have to comply or you die. Zevran had these images and ideas forced into him as a kid, he was abused from since he can remember. The only thing he had of his childhood was ripped away from him and he could not afford to be "morally good". Hell, he wanted to commit suicide because of all the struggle and because of what happened to an innocent girl, that is when he realized the weight of what he did to her.
Velanna did it out of spite. She was so brutal and so toxic her own clan was disgusted enough to kick her out. She did it because she assumed Humans had to do something with her sister, so she killed possible merchant, travelers, for no reason other than "they might have my sister".
How can you compare the struggle of a forced Assassin to a woman who chose to kill innocents? Hint: You don't, one has a choice, one doesn't.
The others, I can't say much for. Everyone has a sense of grey morality, that's what I love about DA.
I hope Velanna comes back because I've heard out Wardens might, so maybe she will be intertwined with that?
Zevran had a chance of escaping. He chose not to.
Yessh, his past was terrible. But also terrible was what Velanna had to go through. But you excuse one and blame another?..
The thing is: Zevran enjoys what he does. It's become a part of his nature
C'est la vie, Our team is filled with sinners and criminals... Deal with it
Zevran had a chance of escaping. He chose not to.
Yessh, his past was terrible. But also terrible was what Velanna had to go through. But you excuse one and blame another?..
The thing is: Zevran enjoys what he does. It's become a part of his nature
C'est la vie, Our team is filled with sinners and criminals... Deal with it
And I bet Velanna cries over all the Humans she killed?
You're the one crying about victim-blaming and look at you.
Zevran barely escaped with his life when he was teamed up with the Warden against them. This fabled hero couldn't stop them from trying to take back Zevran. Velanna lived a life with her clan, loved by a sister, she was first to the Keeper. What did Zevran have? A mother forced into prostitute then dying? Raised in a brothel? Sold cheap at the age of seven to some assassins?
Like I said multiple times, I'm not excusing Zevran, but associating someone who was tortured at the age of seven to a spiteful hateful woman is wrong.
"Deal with it". 
And I bet Velanna cries over all the Humans she killed?
You're the one crying about victim-blaming and look at you.
Zevran barely escaped with his life when he was teamed up with the Warden against them. This fabled hero couldn't stop them from trying to take back Zevran. Velanna lived a life with her clan, loved by a sister, she was first to the Keeper. What did Zevran have? A mother forced into prostitute then dying? Raised in a brothel? Sold cheap at the age of seven to some assassins?
Like I said multiple times, I'm not excusing Zevran, but associating someone who was tortured at the age of seven to a spiteful hateful woman is wrong.
"Deal with it".
She actually starts feeling guilty after some time. She doesn't state it, due to her stubborn nature, but if you actually take time to read her actions and words, it becomes obvious. Even Justice accepts her. Justice 
He still decides to continue his business and then takes over the Crows. So much for happily escaping being forced to kill 
Oh, I'm not blaming Zevran for being this way. I accept that. He was brought up by assasins and will always be one at heart. It's okay. I just don't lie to myself believing that he will change one day and start a peaceful life full of rainbows and ponies and...
If he ever did, he wouldn't be Zevran we all love
"Spiteful hateful woman", lol XD Who is biased here ?
Not me
She actually starts feeling guilty after some time. She doesn't state it, due to her stubborn nature, but if you actually take time to read her actions and words, it becomes obvious. Even Justice accepts her. Justice
He still decides to continue his business and then takes over the Crows. So much for happily escaping being forced to kill
Oh, I'm not blaming Zevran for being this way. I accept that. He was brought up by assasins and will always be one at heart. It's okay. I just don't lie to myself believing that he will change one day and start a peaceful life full of rainbows and ponies and...
If he ever did, he wouldn't be Zevran we all love
"Spiteful hateful woman", lol XD Who is biased here
Not me
Uh, if she doesn't state it then it's headcanon.
I love Velanna as much as the next fan, but how can you not see her as spiteful and hateful?
Like, that's who she is? Like how Zevran is cold and sarcastic *******, Velanna is spiteful and hateful and they both have endearing traits?
Uh, if she doesn't state it then it's headcanon.
I love Velanna as much as the next fan, but how can you not see her as spiteful and hateful?
Like, that's who she is? Like how Zevran is cold and sarcastic *******, Velanna is spiteful and hateful and they both have endearing traits?
It is called reading between lines, non-verbal communication and tv tropes
It doesn't matter how one feels about a character. What truly matters is what the author is trying to tell by giving this exact character these exact traits, these exact decisions and opinions. Once you read and watch a lot, you start picking up patterns. It's actually not that difficult or complex
I see the author mixing Velanna feeling guilty (mostly shown through her snapping at you for trying to sugarcoat things and dialogues with others) and her stubborn and hurt character (loss of sister, hatred towards shems, pride). As a result she won't state that she does feel guilty. But she will overreact to people saying she is responsible. People who do not care generally do not care: Zevran, Morrigan and Isabella. They show amusement, indiffirence and the rule of the jungle. In their minds they're totally justified in their actions, there is no or almost no guilt, so they do not feel stressed. Velanna does
She isn't. She is biased, hotheaded and impulsive. And also deeply hurt. She is one big tsundere
Zevran is sarcastic and adaptive assassin. When your job involves killing people eventually you stop yourself from caring. If you don't, you lose your mind. It's a psychological shield. Some people genuinelly don't care. Zevran, to some extent, does. He just accepts it as a rule of life
The difference between Velanna and most of the other companions is that they were forced into their situations by desperation or survival, and by the time we meet them they've attempted to atone. As much I keep hearing that Velanna changes- it doesn't help. She changes quickly and selfishly. The closest in game comparison to me is Jowan, another character I hope not to see.
Morrigan has atoned so much indeed...
Victim blamers, the lot of you. Don't you see? Velanna is the victim here, not the people she killed. They were the oppressors.
I think the biggest problem with Velanna is that we meet her in the middle of her psycotic break. Sten we meet after he had a few days (or more) to recollect himself, Leliana we meet after she joins the chantry, Zev we meet trying to kill us, but he'd clearly been thinking of leaving since he joins us so readily. If we met Velanna a few weeks later, after she was done slaughtering all the humans she could find I think she'd of been starting to feel guilty (after all she hadn't found her sis yet), but she probably would have been broken by the event and wouldn't of been much use to us. So we meet her at a bad time in her life.
Since she is given so little time to evolve as a character (the whole events of Awakening seem to only take a few weeks, as compared to DAO's year+) I think seeing her would be interesting to see how she did evolve over the 8 years between then and now. But then again some of her fans might complain if she calmed down too much lol.
The problem was that without the Warden to tell her she'd been manipulated by the darkspawn who really have her sister, she probably wouldn't have stopped.
None of the people she killed oppressed her, not did my warden whom she tried to kill. The victims were anyone in her way.
In a certain sense she was having a psycotic break. Her whole clan was dead, her sister missing, and the darkspawn left lots of evidence to point towards humans. The logical conclusion is that the closest humans are those responsible. Its a lot of strain on an already volatile mind (evidenced by her attitude after we recruit her), so it isn't unreasonable to assume at least part of what she did was because she went a bit insane. Doesn't justify what she did, but it does explain it. And it gives the Warden (who is supposed to look towards the greater good anyway, since Wardens often recruit convicted criminals and apostates/blood mages) a valid excuse to want to induct her and use all her power towards the destruction of the darkspawn.
The problem was that without the Warden to tell her she'd been manipulated by the darkspawn who really have her sister, she probably wouldn't have stopped.
She'd've run out of people to kill, then when she had nothing to distract her from thinking she would've been broken by her loss and what it made her do. If the Warden hadn't come along she might of offed herself, or gone witch of the wilds mad hermit.
SnakeCode, on 19 May 2014 - 11:48 PM, said:Victim blamers, the lot of you. Don't you see? Velanna is the victim here, not the people she killed. They were the oppressors.DaySeeker, on 19 May 2014 - 11:50 PM, said:None of the people she killed oppressed her, not did my warden whom she tried to kill. The victims were anyone in her wa
Victim blamers, the lot of you. Don't you see? Velanna is the victim here, not the people she killed. They were the oppressors.
Yeah, the gall of them walking through the forest on a trade route delivering harmless silks to people who purchased them legally.
I guess that family which saved Sten from dying and which was killed by him so much oppressed him... Or people who were doomed by Loghain. Or some random civilians in the Kirkwall chantry. I wonder why though these guys have more fans than haters anyway?Velanna probably should have grow cute braids and obtain a deep sexy voice. That would make her more sympathetiс
You know, all those people you mentioned don't make me sympathize with Velanna any more. I found all of them despicable to either kill or not bring along.
I'd be fine with seeing her at some point. I have a few dif saves to where my warden had her in the end run and did one with sparing and killing the architect. So would be interesting to see if it changed her personality depending on the choices you made in awakening.
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