I suppose the only way she can be alive and not a warden is when the Warden-Commander tells her about her sister and the darkspawn. So she would have a reason to seek out the other Grey Wardens to become a member to search for her sister anyway.
Velanna in Inquisition?
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Posté 19 mai 2014 - 10:50
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I suppose the only way she can be alive and not a warden is when the Warden-Commander tells her about her sister and the darkspawn. So she would have a reason to seek out the other Grey Wardens to become a member to search for her sister anyway.
I think (I could be wrong), but if you recruit Justice first.. then others can't do the Joining. Not sure if it's a bug or the Blackmarsh is just designed that way. So Velanna can be on the team still, but not even a Warden.
Depending on how you look at Wardens, this might be the more merciful route. Making her a Warden would be a punishment from another perspective.
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Posté 19 mai 2014 - 11:13
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I wouldn't mind seeing her in DA3 but I don't need her to be back, and I certainly don't want her back as a "fan cameo", if BW considers she'll be useful to the storyline then I'll welcome her, but my dalish inquisitor (most likely a keeper) won't know that much about her as they probably won't be from the same clan.
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Posté 19 mai 2014 - 11:14
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I think (I could be wrong), but if you recruit Justice first.. then others can't do the Joining. Not sure if it's a bug or the Blackmarsh is just designed that way. So Velanna can be on the team still, but not even a Warden.
Depending on how you look at Wardens, this might be the more merciful route. Making her a Warden would be a punishment from another perspective.
I thought that was just a bug or an oversight. If you agree to let them join you I figured the game treats them as if they are wardens. But if you recruit Sigrun or Velanna last you can't get the joining cutscene unless you double back to the Keep right before finishing the final quest.
#505
Posté 20 mai 2014 - 12:50
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Yeah, the gall of them walking through the forest on a trade route delivering harmless silks to people who purchased them legally.
None of the people she killed oppressed her, not did my warden whom she tried to kill. The victims were anyone in her way.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 12:57
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I think you guys are generally supposed to hate her. And I think you have to bend over backwards a bit or be Dalish to even care about Velanna. There's no reason to debate much of this.
Or are you looking for someone to convince you to care? Because it can't be done. You either do or you don't.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 12:59
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But generally elves are victims. Humans are conquerers. Humans are much more responsible and deserve much more judgement
It isn't. But it is true
They were. They blamed dalish elves for hatred towards humans and Velanna as well. You know, people whose culture was destroyed and whose people were enslaved and genocided. Aka victims.
So, victim blaming
By your logic human racism towards the elves is justified because they once stood by and watched a human city burn during the Blights then later launched an unprovoked attack on Orlais.
See above needless to say humanity disagrees.
No we blame Velanna for murdering innocent people you know: the actual victims.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 01:02
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At least Velanna develops as a character which can't be said for all of DA's companions. I'd like her to return if only to see how much she changed after a decade with the Wardens/Architect... and of course if it fits within the narrative. Otherwise, why bother?
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 01:20
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Well she was also the one who most needed to change.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 01:23
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Well she was also the one who most needed to change.
I might agree, but I wonder to what end? I'm a bit exasperated when I say this, but I wonder if it's better to just embrace the idea of fighting and being enraged at something.
This world seems meant for conflict. Like WoW, but with better character interaction. Endless cycles of hate and war.
Hell, the next game kicks it off with a peace conference blowing to hell.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 01:36
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I might agree, but I wonder to what end? I'm a bit exasperated when I say this, but I wonder if it's better to just embrace the idea of fighting and being enraged at something.
This world seems meant for conflict. Like WoW, but with better character interaction. Endless cycles of hate and war.
Hell, the next game kicks it off with a peace conference blowing to hell.
At least it's not Tamriel. The Gods have dubbed that place, "The Arena". Only egotistical dicks find the path to enlightenment and eventually God-hood. Heaven through violence and all that jazz.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 02:43
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Eh, no proof - 1. What humanity did to elves was much worse than any little rock thrown by elves in humans' direction - 2.By your logic human racism towards the elves is justified because they once stood by and watched a human city burn during the Blights then later launched an unprovoked attack on Orlais.
See above needless to say humanity disagrees.
No we blame Velanna for murdering innocent people you know: the actual victims.
It is canon and one of the most complex social problems of Thedas. Bioware themselves designed it to be. Do you think you know Thedas better than Bioware?
Oh, so people killed by Sten, Zevran, Lelianna and due to Loghain and Morrigan were not innocent, I see :3
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 02:44
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Your loss. They all are great warriors, friendsYou know, all those people you mentioned don't make me sympathize with Velanna any more. I found all of them despicable to either kill or not bring along.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 02:48
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Eh, no proof - 1. What humanity did to elves was much worse than any little rock thrown by elves in humans' direction - 2.
It is canon and one of the most complex social problems of Thedas. Bioware themselves designed it to be. Do you think you know Thedas better than Bioware?
Oh, so people killed by Sten, Zevran, Lelianna and due to Loghain and Morrigan were not innocent, I see :3
Actually, Mercury is right about the Dales not helping the other nations in the Second Blight. This is why Orlais starts to really dislike the Dalish.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 02:52
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I thought that was just a bug or an oversight. If you agree to let them join you I figured the game treats them as if they are wardens. But if you recruit Sigrun or Velanna last you can't get the joining cutscene unless you double back to the Keep right before finishing the final quest.
Beyond that, Velanna's quest of tracking down her sister is basically impossible without her being immune to the taint.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 03:09
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So what?Actually, Mercury is right about the Dales not helping the other nations in the Second Blight. This is why Orlais starts to really dislike the Dalish.
In the fifth Blight only Fereldan and partially Orlais helped to stop it
Let's do the genocide of other nations?
#518
Posté 20 mai 2014 - 03:11
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The Fifth Blight was exceptionally brief compared to the Second. It lasted through most of the Divine Age.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 03:12
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Let's be honest: Orlais would have annihilated and genocides Dales even if they helpedThe Fifth Blight was exceptionally brief compared to the Second. It lasted through most of the Divine Age.
Politics, you see
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 03:13
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You have no way of knowing that. There's no telling how Orlais would regard the elves had they taken part in the fight against the darkspawn during the Divine Age, but we do know that they resented them for not helping.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 03:15
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I know how politics, holy crusades and war-based-countries workYou have no way of knowing that.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 03:16
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So what?
In the fifth Blight only Fereldan and partially Orlais helped to stop it
Let's do the genocide of other nations?
All I said is it added tension since the Dalish just watched as Orlais was devastated by it.
Also, Ferelden never asked the other nations for aid so different situation. If the other nations had armies sit nearby and watch, then Ferelden would be more angry.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 03:19
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Orlais was so devastated they swallowed a whole country with a single biteAll I said is it added tension since the Dalish just watched as Orlais was devastated by it.
Also, Ferelden never asked the other nations for aid so different situation.
They asked, actually. At least help from Orlais. It's just that some paranoid dude who betrayed his king was against outsiders' help
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 03:19
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Things like the fall of the Dales don't just happen because of one isolated reason.
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Posté 20 mai 2014 - 03:22
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Exactly. Politics, politics at its bestThings like the fall of the Dales don't just happen because of one isolated reason.
Holy crusades were pretty much always a way to get richer by using people's faith and knights power and by robbing another country
If Orlais was so devastated after Blight, then how did it destroy a whole nation untouched by war?
