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[KaiserShep]

It could have something to do with the fact that the elves were once the dominant race of Thedas, and resented the "shemlen" for taking their immortality away from them.

[Chari]

I'm not sure why the elves would even want to sack Orlais. Other than retaliation for something. They had the Dales already, and seem to only care about isolation and preserving their culture. What would motivate them to conquest? Was there another bit of disputed land promised to them?

Didn't you know?
Conquering another country is the best way of isolating oneself in order to return old immortality and culture (sarcasm)

[Chari]

It could have something to do with the fact that the elves were once the dominant race of Thedas, and resented the "shemlen" for taking their immortality away from them.

According to elven beliefs communicating with humans shortened their lifespan. That's why they isolated themselves - to return it

[KaiserShep]

Suffice to say their old culture is doomed to extinction with the ever-growing presence of the flat ears. The last remaining Keepers can become guides at Thedas' equivalent of the Museum of Natural History.

[Chari]

Suffice to say their old culture is doomed to extinction with the ever-growing presence of the flat ears.

If they wanted to be isolated then conquering Orlais is simply illogical

[KaiserShep]

What better motivator to hammer down on another country than "Divine Right"? It's a lot more effective than saying "For the real estate!!", at least in a society that isn't quite secular.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'm pretty sure the language was lost with Tevinter conquering the Elvhenan.

[Chari]

Perhaps you're right. It's ugly, but still.

It'd be nice if their Maker actually existed. Then he might step in and do something about it.

He probably exists. He probably doesn't care. Wasn't such nature of humans a reason He left in the first place?

[The Night Haunter]

1) Did you just compare elves to Nazis? Wow. That's an absolutely new level of bullshit and victim blaming

2) Orlais wanted war, they got it and in the end completely destroyed a unique freshly rebuilt culture despite Andraste's will. Even in RL such terrors don't happen often anymore

On the whole thread this post is the only mention of Nazi's so not sure where that came from.

 

To your second point - The only way the Exalted March was called was after the Temple of Val Royeux (sp) was threatened. Had the Dalish Army beat the Orliesan army at the border then maybe sacked a single city and sued for terms the exalted march might never have occured. The EM was a direct response to the sacking of Val Royeaux.

[Chari]

On the whole thread this post is the only mention of Nazi's so not sure where that came from.

To your second point - The only way the Exalted March was called was after the Temple of Val Royeux (sp) was threatened. Had the Dalish Army beat the Orliesan army at the border then maybe sacked a single city and sued for terms the exalted march might never have occured. The EM was a direct response to the sacking of Val Royeaux.

Racist supremacist s aka Nazis, if I am not mistaken

If Orlais wanted only to defend themselves, they wouldn't destroy the whole nation. Even nowadays when wars happen cultures, countries and nations more or less continued to exist even under control of enemy. Dales was annihilated completely
This is mediaeval tactics

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's a medieval setting.

[KaiserShep]

Oh Godwin, must we always be a slave to your laws?

[The Night Haunter]

*snip*
If Orlais wanted only to defend themselves, they wouldn't destroy the whole nation. Even nowadays when wars happen cultures, countries and nations more or less continued to exist even under control of enemy. Dales was annihilated completely
This is mediaeval tactics

The same could be said of the Dales. Both nations went much further than they needed to, the Dalish first when they carved a path through 1/2 of Orlais, and the Chantry forces (which by the way wouldn't necessarily been national forces, real crusading forces were often made up of dozens of semi-independent armies, owing allegiance only to the pope) afterwords when they destroyed the Dales.

[KaiserShep]

In LOTR, the "quickening" was more romantic

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, that whole "Let's stop being offtopic" didn't last long. 

[Chari]

The same could be said of the Dales. Both nations went much further than they needed to, the Dalish first when they carved a path through 1/2 of Orlais, and the Chantry forces (which by the way wouldn't necessarily been national forces, real crusading forces were often made up of dozens of semi-independent armies, owing allegiance only to the pope) afterwords when they destroyed the Dales.

There are no actual proofs why the war started in the first place. Being isolated and attacking another country contradicts itself. Something is fishy
I hope in DAI we will finally visit this place and learn more details

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Lets face it, whether Velanna is in DAI or not isn't really that interesting.

 

The general themes her character represents are though. And we'll probably see a good share of it in DAI (now knowing we'll be at Halamshiral, I'm sure of it. In fact, I'm hoping to see a Godfather 3 type of mob hit on that whole ballroom. lol).

Then we should let this thread die off. If we really need a "AWere the Dales victims or villains?" discussion, that should be its own thread.

[The Night Haunter]

There are no actual proofs why the war started in the first place. Being isolated and attacking another country contradicts itself. Something is fishy
I hope in DAI we will finally visit this place and learn more details

Indeed, I am completely sure the Orlesians were about 60-70% responsible for the wars beginning, but the elves could have handled their part in the war better.

I know a lot of people believe we can rectify this and reestablish the Dales, but that would cause all kinds of new problems. Who takes over: the Dalish or the CE who actually live in Halamshiral? Would the Dalish even want to live in Halamshiral? Lots and lots of new problems, which is why I think it will happen, it leads to some pretty cool story arcs.