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[Chari]

Indeed, I am completely sure the Orlesians were about 60-70% responsible for the wars beginning, but the elves could have handled their part in the war better.
I know a lot of people believe we can rectify this and reestablish the Dales, but that would cause all kinds of new problems. Who takes over: the Dalish or the CE who actually live in Halamshiral? Would the Dalish even want to live in Halamshiral? Lots and lots of new problems, which is why I think it will happen, it leads to some pretty cool story arcs.

Indeed
Plus possible appearance of FenHarel and Eluvians...

[Wolfen09]

how the hell did this thread get to 25 pages?

[KaiserShep]

how the hell did this thread get to 25 pages?

 

It's the will of the Creators, shem.

[The Night Haunter]

I think the Dalish would be happy with anything (like the Hinterlands in the Dalish boon). There's no need to reclaim the Dales specifically. It's not Arlathan. It's just a bitter memory, because they feel that the elves tried to be friends (through Andraste), and then got screwed anyways.

True, but it is the most likely location of a new elven land as Halamshiral is the only city in Thedas with more elves than humans. Plus it has Briala working towards freeing it now.

We'll see though.... Time Tells All Secrets.

[Chari]

True, but it is the most likely location of a new elven land as Halamshiral is the only city in Thedas with more elves than humans. Plus it has Briala working towards freeing it now.
We'll see though.... Time Tells All Secrets.

Or Hides Them Even Better

I wonder how our Warden and Inquisitor will be perceived in future. What people will remember and what they'll forget? What won't forgive?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Or Hides Them Even Better

I wonder how our Warden and Inquisitor will be perceived in future. What people will remember and what they'll forget? What won't forgive?

The Warden is pretty much cemented as "the person who ended the Fifth Blight". Hawke is more of a question mark. 

[SnakeCode]

According to elven beliefs communicating with humans shortened their lifespan. That's why they isolated themselves - to return it

That's another horribly racist belief on the elve's part. But I suppose they're forgiven because, you know... oppression.

[Chari]

That's another horribly racist belief on the elve's part. But I suppose they're forgiven because, you know... oppression.

So ironic for humans to whine about racism ;P

[In Exile]

I'm not sure why the elves would even want to sack Orlais. Other than retaliation for something. They had the Dales already, and seem to only care about isolation and preserving their culture. What would motivate them to conquest? Was there another bit of disputed land promised to them? It's not like they have a Chant of Light equivalent and wish to proselytize or change other cultures.

 

Who knows why they'd want to do it? It's a fact that they did do it. Presumably, one could justify it as ending a threat on their borders. Just defending themselves won't get them far, but sacking Orlais will send a clear message not to mess with them. Except, of course, for the whole thing backfiring. 

[Zazzerka]

So ironic for humans to whine about racism ;P

 

Oh don't start with that "privilege" drivel.

[Chari]

Oh don't start with that "privilege" drivel.

That's a fact
Bioware specifically designed this conflict to be this way. Like it or not

[Chari]

Who knows why they'd want to do it? It's a fact that they did do it. Presumably, one could justify it as ending a threat on their borders. Just defending themselves won't get them far, but sacking Orlais will send a clear message not to mess with them. Except, of course, for the whole thing backfiring.

That's just your theory. Nothing more nothing less. We font know for sure and most details are told by Chantry

[In Exile]

That's just your theory. Nothing more nothing less. We font know for sure and most details are told by Chantry

 

World of Thedas is WOG. It says it outright in the book. We know the facts in that book for sure. 

[Chari]

World of Thedas is WOG. It says it outright in the book. We know the facts in that book for sure.

I've read it. All events are vague, and sometimes contradict each other
Also WOT does say "elves are oppressed"

[SnakeCode]

That's just your theory. Nothing more nothing less. We font know for sure and most details are told by Chantry

It says at the start of the book that WOT is written from an in game perspective. But that the content is basically word of god. Everything stated in that book as it stands is fact.

 

We know that the elves attacked first, and that both have their own story as to why, each contradicting the other.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'm reminded of a line from Elthina.. how she thinks maybe the Maker has sent the Qunari to "teach us something". lol

 

I'd almost like to see that. For these Chantry nations to get a taste of their own medicine from an unequally unrelenting, proselytizing force.'

 

Like a Qunari invasion?

 

I, uh, think they already did.

[Chari]

It says at the start of the book that WOT is written from an in game perspective. But that the content is basically word of god. Everything stated in that book as it stands is fact.

We know that the elve's attacked first, and that both have their own story as to why, each contradicting the other.

Templars crossed the border first so who attacked first and why is still unclear
By the way great friends you have here. "Goddamn fairy". How sweet of you all

[SnakeCode]

Templars crossed the border first so who attacked first and why is still unclear
By the way great friends you have here. "Goddamn fairy". How sweet of you all

Err, no. The Dalish say that the chanrty was trying to convert them by force, the Orlesians say otherwise. It's never been stated who is right.

 

You're wrong, the elves definitely did attack first, it's made pretty clear in WOT.

 

As for my "friends" I've never spoken to that poster before (I'm still fairly new here) and even so i'm almost positive s/he is joking.

[Dean_the_Young]

Templars crossed the border first

 

 

Where are you pulling that from?

 

The Dalish never claim the Templars attacked first- in large part because the Dalish position doesn't even mention the war with Orlais. The Dalish-perspective codex of the Dales doesn't even mention the Exalted March by name: it just goes
 

 

The Chantry first sent missionaries into the Dales, and then, when those were thrown out, templars. We were driven from Halamshiral,

 

 

That is the grand accounting of the fall of the Dales in the Dalish codex. It doesn't dispute the Chantry's position or order of events (isolation and closed borders, Red Crossing, the sacking of Orlesian cities and nearly the capital, the call for reinforcements, the conquest). It just ignores the middle.

 

 

Now, the Dalish do present the entire incident as a Human betrayal... but that doesn't really mean they deny what happened. They just either (a) don't mention the unimportant stuff like sacking Orlesian cities, or ( don't think that changes the nature of human injustice.

[Chari]

Err, no. The Dalish say that the chanrty was trying to convert them by force, the Orlesians say otherwise. It's never been stated who is right.

You're wrong, the elves definitely did attack first, it's made pretty clear in WOT.

As for my "friends" I've never spoken to that poster before (I'm still fairly new here) and even so i'm almost positive s/he is joking.

Events-wise templars arrived first. Then attack at Red Crossing happened
Why we don't know
 

[Chari]

Where are you pulling that from?

The Dalish never claim the Templars attacked first- in large part because the Dalish position doesn't even mention the war with Orlais. The Dalish-perspective codex of the Dales doesn't even mention the Exalted March by name: it just goes


That is the grand accounting of the fall of the Dales in the Dalish codex. It doesn't dispute the Chantry's position or order of events (isolation and closed borders, Red Crossing, the sacking of Orlesian cities and nearly the capital, the call for reinforcements, the conquest). It just ignores the middle.


Now, the Dalish do present the entire incident as a Human betrayal... but that doesn't really mean they deny what happened. They just either (a) don't mention the unimportant stuff like sacking Orlesian cities, or ( don't think that changes the nature of human injustice.

It actually is important. Dales forbidden human priests from entering and when they did elves kicked them out. Then Chantry sent templars, a military force, in a country which did not allow this
This was pretty much saying "fuk yo rules" and doing something without elves' permission on their land
So, yeah, technically humans started it first

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It actually is important. Dales forbidden human priests from entering and when they did elves kicked them out. Then Chantry sent templars, a military force, in a country which did not allow this
This was pretty much saying "fuk yo rules" and doing something without elves' permission on their land
So, yeah, technically humans started it first

Well, then technically the Dalish started it by kicking out the missionaries. The Templar guards were only a reaction.

 

You think the Dalish back then would have been nicer to those who follow the faith of the woman who freed their ancestors from slavery.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There are rules and boundaries. If you don't respect other culture personal space and blatantly insult it then guess who is a bad guy?

You mean like the Dalish respected the missionaries who were just trying to spread the word of their religion to anyone willing to here it? 

[Chari]

You mean like the Dalish respected the missionaries who were just trying to spread the word of their religion to anyone willing to here it?

Thw missionaries crossed the border and broke a law despite elves trying to get away from the Chantry
If someone asks you to leave them alone, you leave them alone