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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Thw missionaries crossed the border and broke a law despite elves trying to get away from the Chantry
If someone asks you to leave them alone, you leave them alone

Do you have record of this law you speak of? I'd like to see it. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It was stated in canon that Dales closed the borders and forbid Chantry from being established so elven religion can thrive
I guess Chantry didn't get the memo

If it was stated, then you can post and source it. 

 

This isn't egging on or anything, I am genuinely curious to read it. 

[Nethalf]

Do you think we'll see the Queen of the Elves herself Velanna in Inquisition?

The Queen of the Elves is Zevran in his cute sexay skirt 

 

btw, Velanna is killable. Seems doubtful she'd end up in Inquisition, if you ask me.

[Chari]

If it was stated, then you can post and source it.

This isn't egging on or anything, I am genuinely curious to read it.

Codex, WOT, games themselves etc

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Queen of the Elves is Zevran in his cute sexay skirt 

 

btw, Velanna is killable. Seems doubtful she'd end up in Inquisition, if you ask me.

They've had killable companions show up in future games before.

[Dean_the_Young]

Thw missionaries crossed the border and broke a law despite elves trying to get away from the Chantry
If someone asks you to leave them alone, you leave them alone

 

To an extent- but then, neighbors are neighbors. You aren't alone regardless. Being a bad neighbor by being isolationist to basic diplomacy and interaction, xenophobic, standing by and not helping when your neighbors face an apocalyptic Blight, and then ultimately sacking their cities? That's a few worse laws broken than 'we aren't interested in indulging your freedom of religion.'

 

I am still curious as to where you're pulling the idea that Templars attacked the Dales first. In the codex of the Dales, the Dalish perspective pretty much uses Templars as the representation of the Exalted March, not as escorts for the missionaries. The Exalted March is when the conflict went from an Orlais-Dales conflict to a Chantry-Dales war- but the Chantry only got involved a good time into a war that was being fought on Orlais soil and that no one, not even the Dalish, have claimed started with an Orlesian invasion of any sort.
 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Well, then technically the Dalish started it by kicking out the missionaries. The Templar guards were only a reaction.
 
You think the Dalish back then would have been nicer to those who follow the faith of the woman who freed their ancestors from slavery.

The elves of the Dales were extremely ungrateful, they got freed from slavery by humans, were given land of their own by humans & the dalish said thankyou by closing the dales off to humans, let human cities burn during the 2nd blight & imo used religion as a excuse to attack a weakened Orlais, i doubt they would have been able to get as far as Val Royeaux if they hadn't already been planning for war before the Red Crossing attack.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The elves of the Dales were extremely ungrateful, they got freed from slavery by humans, were given land of their own by humans & the dalish said thankyou by closing the dales off to humans, let human cities burn during the 2nd blight & imo used religion as a excuse to attack a weakened Orlais, i doubt they would have been able to get as far as Val Royeaux if they hadn't already been planning for war before the Red Crossing attack.

Well, they might have been able to get as far as they did without long preparation since Orlais was still recovering from a near century long Blight that ended only 15 years prior.

[TeenBanshee]

The Queen of the Elves is Zevran in his cute sexay skirt 

 

btw, Velanna is killable. Seems doubtful she'd end up in Inquisition, if you ask me.

 

So just because a companion is kill-able they won't return? In case you didn't know there is a option to let them live.

[TeenBanshee]

how the hell did this thread get to 25 pages?

 

If you have nothing meaningful to say than don't let the door hit you on your way out.

[KaiserShep]

She's so killable that she was actually going to be in Anders' role in DA2 at one point.

 

And Nathaniel was going to fill Sebastian's shoes.

 

Damn, really? I would have much preferred Nathaniel to Sebastian.

[TeenBanshee]

Damn, really? I would have much preferred Nathaniel to Sebastian.

 

I wonder why they didn't give him the spot?

[KaiserShep]

I think they stopped themselves because having more than one DAA character (Anders) would be overkill. 

 

I guess that's true. Not sure what Nate would be doing in Kirkwall anyway, since he's not fleeing anything.

[Dean_the_Young]

Considering that the Devs have admitted they considered having Justice merge with Velanna, I imagine any DA2 with Velanna would have been quite different in thematic focus and even location. It's old news that the DA setting was made so that each region could have a lingering crisis point to serve as a plot hook for the story: instead of thinking in terms of 'Velanna in Kirkwall with the mage/templar conflict', it might be more relevant to think in terms of 'Velanna somewhere else with a more significant elven plotline.' Which would also affect the choice of other companions.

[KaiserShep]

I would really have liked to see how she'd react to a character like Fenris.

[Felya87]

Damn, really? I would have much preferred Nathaniel to Sebastian.

 

me too, without a doubt. But seeing what happend to Anders's character, I am quite frigtened at thinking  how Nate would have been twisted and destroied to have enought "DA2 drama".

[KaiserShep]

Eh, honestly, after playing Awakening again, Anders in DA2 is not a whole lot different, even with this Justice-ification. The only real difference is that he's no longer deflecting with humor nearly as much, but his hangup on Templars and the Circle is totally intact.

[themikefest]

She's so killable that she was actually going to be in Anders' role in DA2 at one point.

 

And Nathaniel was going to fill Sebastian's shoes.

 

I don't think death matters. Just ask Leliana.

I would've preferred having her than having Anders. Never liked him at all even in Awakening.

[KaiserShep]

I actually kind of like this downward spiral Anders has from Awakening to DA2, losing his smugness. He struck me as someone with a chip on his shoulder that he's always trying to conceal, so it seems kind of fitting that his grievances should finally consume him.

[Shadow Fox]

Even if they had valid reasons for war, it still makes no sense to wipe out Shartan from their Chant, and erase all images and mention of him in their history. This is systematic racism, within not just Orlais, but the Orlesian chantry itself.

 

These people follow Andraste? When they so easily take a giant dump on her friend?

 

If they're capable of this level of douchebaggery, it makes me question their reasons for war too.

Vindictivness for the Dalish attacking Orlais I'd reckon.

 

remember freedom fries and freedom toast?

[Shadow Fox]

Your point was that the Dales, 700 years ago, was good enough for Velanna to seek revenge against some random merchants. Montsimmard would have been, by that logic, more than good enough for the Orlesians to seek out vengeance against the Dales. This is the problem with this vengeance based justification. 

Exactly.