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[Mcfly616]

They were genetically altered to carry out specific tasks for the Reapers/Catalyst.


It's unlikely the Reapers created the Rachni. However, I had an interesting idea awhile back that the Keepers were repurposed (genetically altered) Rachni....much the same way that the Collectors are repurposed Protheans. There's more than a little resemblance imo. But it's just a thought. No actual in-game information supporting it.

[Farangbaa]

1. The Keepers: What were they originally and why were they created? I know they were used by the reapers and stopped by the protheans but doesn't explain their reason for being. The reapers could of easily used indoctrinated races for this instead of the keepers. In an email from Chorban, if you let him live, theorizes that the keepers were made by the same people who made sovereign. Could it be the reapers who made the keepers or the leviathans that made them and why?

 

Bugs, to maintain the Citadel. You can't keep someone indoctrinated forever. And yes, that could be. 

 

 

2. The Collectors: This is never explained but why is it that the protheans turned into bug like creatures versus husks like ones? The other races turn into husks like creatures blue and gray but the protheans turn into bugs, why is this?

 

No they don't. Humans turn into Husks. Turians turn into Marauders, for instance.

[Excella Gionne]

Collectors: The reapers failed to construct a reaper out of the Protheans, therefore, they were converted and corrupted into beings that would serve as their servants...

 

Rachni: They are their own individual race like every other alien. The Rachni war was started because something soured their "notes" as said by the Rachni queen on Noveria. She does not know why the war started, but she said they were forced to go to war. Possibly indoctrinated Rachni?

 

The Keepers: Their origin is unknown, but it is likely that they're a synthetic race made by the Reapers to keep the Citadel running in place of their absence.

[Farangbaa]

3. The Rachni: Is it possible the Rachni were created by the Reapers? This merely goes off the second question. If the reapers can make the protheans bug like whose to say they didn't make the Rachni and planned to use them as a replacement for the keepers.

 

No.

[Mcfly616]

 No they don't. Humans turn into Husks. Turians turn into Marauders, for instance.

Marauders are Turian husks.

[JasonShepard]

Collectors: The reapers failed to construct a reaper out of the Protheans, therefore, they were converted and corrupted into beings that would serve as their servants...

 

Is this actually confirmed anywhere, other than EDI taking wild guesses during the Collector Base mission?

 

For example, I've never understood why most Protheans couldn't have been made into a Prothean Reaper, and then whatever was left behind became the Collectors. Maybe next cycle's 'Collectors' would be a bunch of human husks left over from the construction of a human Reaper.

[Farangbaa]

Marauders are Turian husks.

 

Tomáto, tomàto.

 

He's asking why the Protheans turn into bugs. Well, apparantly, that's what huskification does to them.

[Excella Gionne]

Is this actually confirmed anywhere, other than EDI taking wild guesses during the Collector Base mission?

 

For example, I've never understood why most Protheans couldn't have been made into a Prothean Reaper, and then whatever was left behind became the Collectors. Maybe next cycle's 'Collectors' would be a bunch of human husks left over from the construction of a human Reaper.

It's never proven, but this is the best assumption. Every species that have been harvested became a new Reaper, but the Protheans were used as servants instead. That kinda proves EDI's assumption.

[Mcfly616]

Tomáto, tomàto.

He's asking why the Protheans turn into bugs. Well, apparantly, that's what huskification does to them.

no it doesn't. The Collectors weren't husks.

Both the Keepers and Collectors were genetically (re) engineered. Hence the difference in their appearance compared to the metallic look of 'huskified' organics.

[Farangbaa]

no it doesn't. The Collectors weren't husks.

 

You apparantly don't have the From Ashes DLC.

 

Just as the Humans fought Husks in their war, the Protheans fought Collectors in theirs.

[Mcfly616]

You apparantly don't have the From Ashes DLC.
 
Just as the Humans fought Husks in their war, the Protheans fought Collectors in theirs.

really, where does it specifically 'say' that in From Ashes?

Right, it doesn't....

[Farangbaa]

really, where does it specifically 'say' that in From Ashes?

Right, it doesn't....

 

Oh, ffs.

 

 

1:40 and onwards.

[Mcfly616]

If you have From Ashes, you'd know that Javik was born years after the harvest began. Long enough for the Reapers to do all sorts of things to the beings of that particular cycle. You don't see husks in From Ashes. You see genetically altered Protheans.



Thanks for proving my point with the video.

[Excella Gionne]

I don't get it! Why are we fighting?

[Mcfly616]

I don't get it! Why are we fighting?

he's implying that Collectors are Prothean husks.....


They're not.






(nobody's fighting. Well, atleast I'm not. I'm eating breakfast)

[Excella Gionne]

No, they are not Husks. Husks are corrupted and converted beings of Humans. Husks feel no pain and charge recklessly to battle. If you are implying to Mordin's "Closer to husks" implication, it's just a comparison. Collectors aren't mindless, but they do serve their purpose....

[Farangbaa]

If you have From Ashes, you'd know that Javik was born years after the harvest began. Long enough for the Reapers to do all sorts of things to the beings of that particular cycle. You don't see husks in From Ashes. You see genetically altered Protheans.



Thanks for proving my point with the video.

 

Eh nvm. This'll be a long ass discussion that'll go nowhere cause there's no evidence anywhere but out own headcanon.

[AlexMBrennan]

Lol, I think it might be a bit deeper than "is it a bug or not"...

1) could they though? The keepers need to be resistant to analysis (to prevent organics from learning that the citadel is a trap), and it seems highly unlikely that random creatures will have these traits if you mind control them (e.g. TIM should have exploded when scanned). Essentially, you are saying that you don't need spare parts to fix a car engine because that rock you find lying next to the road works much better.

2) Collectors were engineered for a specific purpose, and they seem to be quite successful (native flight is useful, as is Harbinger's override) - essentially, why would you bother have free-willed servants you need to mind-control when you could instead make a servant who naturally obeys your every command?

3) no, bugs are not proof of reaper activity - just because some reaper designed slaves resemble bugs doesn't mean that every bug is designed by reapers.

[shodiswe]

When you need tools and you havn't got what you need, then you make some. The Keepers were maintenance tools. They were also belived to be percived as non-threatening.

They also seem to have been designed to lack true intelligence(in the form of a conciousness that can act outside it's programming). they are kind of like Organic VI's in an organic platform.

[Farangbaa]

1. So did the reapers or the leviathans create the keepers? If the Reapers created the keepers but their signal is cut off then what exactly are the keepers doing in the citadel when shepard arrives before the final confrontation with TIM? If the leviathans created the Keepers then why?

 

Does it matter who created them? The entire point of messing with the signal is that the Keepers evolved on their own. They take care of the Citadel because that's what they are; the Citadel caretakers. Cutting them off from the signal doesn't change that, the only thing it changes is that they won't open the Citadel relay anymore when signaled. It's not like the Reapers have to signal them with messages like: 'hey Keeper #19, there's a hole in the wall, fix it'

 

 

2. So genetic (re)engineering protheans turn into bugs (collectors)? Wouldn't of been better to infuse them with reaper tech instead of turning them into bugs? Also why turn them into bugs?

 

Did you even play ME2? They are infused with Reaper tech all over:

 

While studying Collector data in the lab aboard the Normandy SR-2, Mordin Solus determines that the Reapers indoctrinated the Protheans and compensated for their growing lack of ability due to prolonged indoctrination through cybernetic modifications. The modifications are beyond any form of repair, each Collector drone being little more than a clone—it's unknown if they even still possess any form of gender—riddled with cybernetics, lacking glands or digestive system, and having any form of intelligence or self-awareness completely eradicated by indoctrination.

 

I stand corrected btw, Mcfly616:

 

The Collectors arose during the closing years of the Reapers' harvest of the Protheans. The Reapers subjected captured Protheans to extensive genetic experimentation and implanted them with cybernetics. Eventually, the end result was the Collectors, a race of completely subservient creatures that the Reapers could remotely use as tools.

[SporkFu]

I think the Leviathan were already long gone by the time the citadel was created. The catalyst tells you that, at its direction, the citadel and relays were built by the reapers to basically maximize the efficiency of organic evolution; to speed the time between cycles. The Leviathan were the first harvest, so before them, the Catalyst wouldn't have much of a sample size to study the evolution of an organic civilization. It would have to first understand that evolution could be streamlined before coming up with a method to do it. However, it's entirely possible the citadel and relays were created at the same time the Leviathan were being harvested, during the 50,000 or so years before another civilization evolved too. 

 

On Ilos, Vigil pondered that the keepers were among, if not the first race harvested by the reapers. We know they're not the first -- Leviathan were -- but they could have co-existed with Leviathan, maybe even one of the races that regularly gave tribute, perhaps even servants of Leviathan. I don't think they were entirely created by anyone else, simply modified by the reapers to serve a purpose; that of Citadel caretakers. Might even have been Harby's idea to use them. 

[Bardox9]

The Keepers are a genetically alter version of a race from one of the early cycles sculpted to service the Citadel and keep it functioning properly.

 

The Rachni are their own race that, I believe, the Leviathan manipulated and advanced to battle the Reapers one day. The Salarians just found them a bit early. I credit the Leviathan with the "sour yellow note" because the Rachni were not cybernetically altered the way the Reapers alter organics into husks.

 

As for the Collectors, I think they were something akin to the brutes. The brutes are Krogans spliced with Turians to make a creature with Krogan strength and the tactical mind of a Turian. The Collectors were Protheans combined with something for some purpose. Maybe for the powerful biotics and organic armored skin. Maybe it improved their telepathic abilities. Who knows for sure.