Bethany slightly, slightly edges out Carver because this is perhaps one of THE best conversations in the game, in my opinion. Like, this never fails to move me. Wow. The tears.
I also feel a personal connection to Carver since, personality-wise, he bears a high resemblance to my own brother. I bring the sibling wherever possible.
Bethany but only slightly, I loved them both, prefered warden Carver to warden Bethany though.
Bethany but only slightly, I loved them both, prefered warden Carver to warden Bethany though.
Yeah it seems clear that Carver is better suited for the role as a Grey Warden, since he's the one of the two siblings that laments over a lack of a greater purpose in life.
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Yeah it seems clear that Carver is better suited for the role as a Grey Warden, since he's the one of the two siblings that laments over a lack of a greater purpose in life.
That's no reason to champion the wardens though. Die young, become impotent, endlessly fight darkspawn... just so you can feel "speshul"?
If that's what magic has to done to his mentality, I really do pity him.
edit: lol, I meant infertile. Thankfully, impotency is off the list.
My favorite, bethany of course. I cannot stand carver and all his whiney...I have enough anti-mage cries from fenris, thanks.
Well, that, and because I have a younger sister on real life and I tend to be protective with her. I guess that I would not get along with a brother, that's for sure. I never go to the expedition with her..I don't want her to live with the darkspawn taint. You can escape from a mage circle...but you cannot escape the taint.
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My favorite, bethany of course. I cannot stand carver and all his whiney...I have enough anti-mage cries from fenris, thanks.
Well, that, and because I have a younger sister on real life and I tend to be protective with her. I guess that I would not get along with a brother, that's for sure. I never go to the expedition with her..I don't want her to live with the darkspawn taint. You can escape from a mage circle...but you cannot escape the taint.
What makes Carver so much endearing than Fenris to me is the fact that he's family. It's a more humorous and/or healthy rivalry than you might have with an outsider. As ugly as it gets sometimes, it's often funny. Also, if DA2 is about anything besides mages and templars, it's about family. So I try to keep that in tact. I think te game loses something if I kill off my last sibling.
On the Bethany side, I like that I can fill some of Carver's shoes, if I'm warrior or rogue. I don't rival Bethany, but I like hating Kirkwall like Carver did. I miss Ferelden and don't care to be nobility. Then it's Bethany who tries to tell us to be patient, that we can make a name for ourselves there, etc.. I like the conversation we have after the Amell vault is discovered (if Hawke chooses aggressive lines).
That's no reason to champion the wardens though. Die young, become impotent, endlessly fight darkspawn... just so you can feel "speshul"?
If that's what magic has to done to his mentality, I really do pity him.
edit: lol, I meant infertile. Thankfully, impotency is off the list.
I don't really champion the Grey Wardens. In fact, I rather dislike that the protagonist of DA:O had to be one at all. In that character's place, I'd simply take my chances going batsh*t crazy on the surface and leave the order entirely, because f*ck the Deep Roads and Grey Warden traditions. I'd like to think that this is something my character would have done, especially since I chose nothing but dialogue that protests. Though I ironically import this character into Awakening, it does seem to honor the outcome you chose for DA:O proper, since if you choose to leave at the coronation, the Warden-Commander will step down and depart, presumably for good.
But anyway, from Hawke's perspective, the gruesome details of being a Grey Warden may be a total mystery, and that's really the only thing I will consider. Aside from that, I consider their personalities and their roles. Carver is a soldier out of Ostagar who was going to fight darkspawn anyway, so he comes along. Bethany, however, is not, and while Kirkwall is swarming with Templars, they are a touch safer than a deep dwarven hellhole filled with monsters, and so I would abide by Leandra's wishes. Then there's Carver's bellyaching about wanting purpose and being overshadowed by Hawke, which I have little to no stomach for. The way I see it, if he wants to brood and feel like he needs to prove something to himself, then he can come along and put his sword to use, and maybe there will be too many darkspawn for him to have time to p*ss and moan. But once he contracts the taint, I would not permit him to die if it could be helped.
As for infertility, I suppose that would be his problem, should he actually be concerned about it. I wouldn't care about a lack of prospects for nieces and nephews anyway.
I used to like Bethany the most. But after playing the game like 20 times she really started to annoy me. So I like Carver now. Bethany is so sweet that she makes me puke.
Carver definitely. Bethany is just way too sweet its nauseating and 'agreeable'(?) I side with the templars and she's all oh ok I'll help you if that's what's best. only time I liked having her around was when romancing Seb with a mean Hawke and being able to tell her to back off lol.
Carver is a bit of a brat but he does have reason to be, I feel sorry for him. Having to stay in the shadows and not bring attention to himself so not being able to live up to his potential. He complains but he is still willing to do it. I always let him stay behind and become a Templar because that is something he gets to choose for himself and he is really a quite reasonable one too. And no matter if you are rivals with him or not he will stand up and defend you in the end.
Although i like them both, i still prefer Carver. I like the dinamic between Carver and Hawke.They have a rival but humorous relation and they do disagree about some points but in the end they are family and they really care about each other.
Carver. I really liked the whole rivality aspects he brings to table. It just had more depth and drama to me and it was so different and refreshing having your own sibling challenge you in that way, even if Carver was fairly misguided at times. I just hoped they would let the fact that Carver cares about family even if he disagrees with them shining through more, but I still like him.
I like both of them, really wish both would survive, but If I had to pick it would be Carver, mainly because I like hearing him bellyache about being in Hawke's shadow compared to Bethany who complains that her family did so much to protect her...it just comes off as her being a bit ungrateful.
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I like both of them, really wish both would survive, but If I had to pick it would be Carver, mainly because I like hearing him bellyache about being in Hawke's shadow compared to Bethany who complains that her family did so much to protect her...it just comes off as her being a bit ungrateful.
I don't think she's ungrateful. Unless a Warden. Generally, she just hates being the cause of other's burdens. That's what, I guess, convinces her to relax in the Circle. She knows there's no running anymore. She's got an unhealthy, submissive personality too. If you side with the Templars, she almost wants to die. As if she did something wrong, just for being a mage. It's sad.
Not as bad Keili from DAO though.
Bethany, by a hair.
I also prefer her as a Grey Warden than a Circle Mage.
I don't think she's ungrateful. Unless a Warden. Generally, she just hates being the cause of other's burdens. That's what, I guess, convinces her to relax in the Circle. She knows there's no running anymore. She's got an unhealthy, submissive personality too. If you side with the Templars, she almost wants to die. As if she did something wrong, just for being a mage. It's sad.
I can kind of understand, though. If you side with the Templars, you're basically agreeing to condemn the Circle to death for an act they did not commit. In Bethany's position, I'd simply be furious, and would consider it a betrayal.
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I can kind of understand, though. If you side with the Templars, you're basically agreeing to condemn the Circle to death for an act they did not commit. In Bethany's position, I'd simply be furious, and would consider it a betrayal.
She isn't furious though. I think she's appalled with Orsino (I think siding with Templars is the only way to call him out on Leandra too. I forgot). Then just resigned afterwards.
Carver for me. I once tried to play a rogue to get Bethany and she is just no good for me (I just couldn't start to like her). Even if Carver behaves like a total jerk I can still feel the connection between the siblings and totaly understand him (and that's why he's also a Warden in my playthroughs)
I like Bethany so much. I actually like grey warden Bethany more the circle beth. The whole hating you thing makes her coming back at the end a lot sweeter. Plus I freakin love her grey warden outfit.
Carver is an interesting character to me but I don't really like him. And I really feel the urge to kill Templar carver because he basically betrays hawke or gets really really close to doing so.
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I like Bethany so much. I actually like grey warden Bethany more the circle beth. The whole hating you thing makes her coming back at the end a lot sweeter. Plus I freakin love her grey warden outfit.
Carver is an interesting character to me but I don't really like him. And I really feel the urge to kill Templar carver because he basically betrays hawke or gets really really close to doing so.
She definitely sports the Warden armor well. Kind of sad that the Circle robes are just basic generic robes you can loot anywhere.
I liked them both a lot. I'm the oldest of three siblings in real life so it's possible that's why they resonated with me. Between the two of them, I'd definitely have to say Bethany is my favorite though. In fact she's probably my favorite character in the game. I'm very close with my siblings, so she reminds me more of my real relationships with them. So I don't find Bethany and less realistic. But I also found building a friendship with Carver to be the most rewarding relationship that my third Hawke had in my mage playthrough. Although that could have been because I was ready for him by that point, and knew what to do to earn his respect.
Gotta say Carver is my favourite, simply because I liked the sibling rivalry and I felt like he was my Hawkes little bro, who just wanted to make his own mark in the world, plus I got to be a mage 
Honestly I found Bethany annoying, she dampens the mood somewhat by frequently mentioning 'if I didn't have magic it would be better'
To be fair to Carver, Congokong, he's more of a whiner if you are a rival to him and if you are a sarcastic Hawke (the best one of the 3) then you do kind of push his buttons.
Like I said, the game orchestrates it so that he's a natural rival. If you're playing a mage you're almost certainly going to be pro-mage freedom and such. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite who should be turning yourself in to the Templars. Carver may like you when you hate yourself but that just makes him even more of a dick.
Same for me. I also have an annoying brother. And that's why I like Bethany. She is the simbling relationship I wish I aways had.
Same here. And that makes it all the sadder when Hawke is forced to surrender Bethany, the sister who Hawke had always protected, to complete strangers (the Grey Wardens) in order to save her life. Before that they were inseparable. It made it feel strange for Hawke to return to the surface without Bethany as beforehand they did every mission together; at least for me. They were a team.
And yes, you can spare her the wardens by giving her to the Circle. But my Hawke would never leave her out of the expedition and let the Circle get their hands on her.
Generally, she just hates being the cause of other's burdens. That's what, I guess, convinces her to relax in the Circle. She knows there's no running anymore. She's got an unhealthy, submissive personality too.
People say she is boring, but the mentioned trait above makes her interesting and sad. Bethany is a submissive person. The only reason she has been free is because others have fought for her. Her family has sacrificed so much for her and she feels this devotion is unfair and maybe undeserved. She probably feels tempted to just sneak out of the house and surrender herself to the templars so her family can have a normal life. My rogue Hawke's defining trait was protecting her family; specifically Bethany. She'd die to keep Bethany safe whether Bethany liked it or not. This kinship did not exist with Carver. Carver was just begrudgingly tagging along. I was glad to be rid of him and his whining. He actually blames Hawke for Bethany dying. It wasn't like he said it in the moment like Leandra. It was a year later. I can see people thinking his rivalry makes for a better story but to actually like him more than Bethany?! Truly baffling.
Personally, I find her joining the Wardens to be worse, because they're pretty much doomed to live with darkspawn, and it's supposed to be a lifelong commitment. The dying young and Calling stuff is a mystery to Hawke so I can't really use that against them, but the other stuff is fairly common knowledge. At least the Circle is in closer proximity, albeit swarming with pesky Templars.
Personally, I find her joining the Wardens to be worse, because they're pretty much doomed to live with darkspawn, and it's supposed to be a lifelong commitment. The dying young and Calling stuff is a mystery to Hawke so I can't really use that against them, but the other stuff is fairly common knowledge. At least the Circle is in closer proximity, albeit swarming with pesky Templars.
I'd rather be in the Circle than be a Grey Warden. Besides likely meta-gaming to get Bethany in the Circle, I think a good story has tragic elements. I really like Bethany but still doomed her to the fate of the wardens for the story.
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