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[TheKomandorShepard]

Well I could easily say that the good that humans do <<<< the bad that humans do.  Or just fill in the Templar, the Chantry, all Orlesians.  The point of the matter the good or the bad that a group does is irelevant next to the good or the bad the individual could do.  Otherwise we should have collectively jumped off a cliff as a species thousands of years ago. 

 

Humans won't destroy world unilike abomnation or stupid mage... And no humans aren't even near as destrucive as mages are after all i doubt that there was sane human who wanted destroy world and have means to do that.As i said it is about survival mages are dangerous obstacle that humans need to deal with it.So humans have choice stumble on the same obstacle over and over again making no progress or remove that obstacle and move forward... 

[Al Foley]

I am quite interested in finding out how this all happened. I doubt that many Templars would quickly sign up to become crazy monsters so they may have been forced or tricked into it or they might just be nieve. Cassandra's interrogation of Varric made it seem like the details of what happened in Kirkwall were not widely known. Maybe they did not know what they would become, or at least most of them didn't. 

 

Also, are they all the Templars who no longer serve the Chantry?

From what I gather (granted I have not absorbed one bit of any other DA media other then the games and am relying on the Wiki) all Templars left the Chantry as well as the Seekers of Truth.  And yeah, I think...it could be any number of reasons why initially SOME Templars are turning to Red Lyrium as a source of power.  One t makes them more powerful and gives them magic like abillities which could be compelling.  Two they could be compelled by the Red Lyrium to give it a try and is twisting their motivations.  Some of them might not believe the horror stories, chalking it up to mage propaganda, or some of them might believe they can handle it and it should be no worse then regular Lyrium and what harm does that cause?  After all I have been on the stuff for years and it hasn't harmed me!  After some of the Templars started turning into Abominations though I imagine the further source of recruits is mostly through forced conversion.  Red Templars capturing other Templars and Civvies to make more RTs. 

 

Ultimatly it boils down to eseclation.  For the first time in years the mages are rebelling, that is an escelation, and instead of calming the situation down the Ts are eseclating the situation more, so the RTs are just doing the next logical step and got caught in the cross fire of the RLs corruption. 

[SnakeCode]

Well, we know that abominations can take out entire templar squads at a time. Maybe the original thought was to have something that could take on an abomination one on one, and win. Hence the big golem things, and perhaps the red lyrium corrupted them along the way. Perverting their original cause and turning them into something altogether more sinister?

[mikeymoonshine]

From what I gather (granted I have not absorbed one bit of any other DA media other then the games and am relying on the Wiki) all Templars left the Chantry as well as the Seekers of Truth.  And yeah, I think...it could be any number of reasons why initially SOME Templars are turning to Red Lyrium as a source of power.  One t makes them more powerful and gives them magic like abillities which could be compelling.  Two they could be compelled by the Red Lyrium to give it a try and is twisting their motivations.  Some of them might not believe the horror stories, chalking it up to mage propaganda, or some of them might believe they can handle it and it should be no worse then regular Lyrium and what harm does that cause?  After all I have been on the stuff for years and it hasn't harmed me!  After some of the Templars started turning into Abominations though I imagine the further source of recruits is mostly through forced conversion.  Red Templars capturing other Templars and Civvies to make more RTs. 

 

Ultimatly it boils down to eseclation.  For the first time in years the mages are rebelling, that is an escelation, and instead of calming the situation down the Ts are eseclating the situation more, so the RTs are just doing the next logical step and got caught in the cross fire of the RLs corruption. 

 

Cassandra didn't leave and I think it unknown how Lambert's nullifying of the Nevarran Accord effected the order and if it created factions or not.

 

I guess Meredith had the Red Lyruim for ages before she completely lost it and we have no idea if ingesting will make it effect Templars differently.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I think Hawke convinced her to make use of the Lyrium. Here's someone who could really pose a threat to her power. It might make even more sense if a mage, but any class works. What you accomplish against the Arishok is impressive.

 

She only has her regular sword in Act 2, but at the beginning of Act 3, she's set up with the new one.

she bought it before act 2 so i doubt that it was hawke rather idol screwd her mind and wanted keep it always close to her and also use of it.

[Al Foley]

Cassandra didn't leave and I think it unknown how Lambert's nullifying of the Nevarran Accord effected the order and if it created factions or not.

 

I guess Meredith had the Red Lyruim for ages before she completely lost it and we have no idea if ingesting will make it effect Templars differently.

Yes but Cassandra is just one person, and so is Leilianna, its clear that some of the templars/ Seekers remained loyal but most of both organizations seem to have jumped ship.  And if Inquisition is any indication even Cassandra and Leilianna decide it is in their best interest to leave the Chantry and serve elsewhere. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Oh, I know it screwed with her mind.. but I think she got the "brilliant" idea of making it into a sword after seeing Hawke.

I doubt that after all if not mage and hawke was her supporter why she would need to do that? Sure In the end she turns on hawke always but at this point she was at peak of her madness even her picture during loading is covered in darkness entirely in 3 act. It was rather desire to keep it always close to her and also so she could use it. 

 

In fact if hawke was pro-templar s/he is only person she trust in 3 act before she lost her mind.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It doesn't matter if you side with her. She still is unapologetic about keeping power, and making it known to you that you have a lower place. You're a threat, friend or foe. And she still gives that disappointed look when she enters the Keep and finds that you beat the Arishok. She's a petty woman.

Well it matters apparently until the end.She is little screwd up but fine woman in 3 act until the end.

[Orthiad]

I see where this thread is going...

[SnakeCode]

I see where this thread is going...

Onto the next page?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Even Cullen wonders if he's serving the Templars anymore or just the Knight Commander. The fact that she holds power over a whole city is insane enough. Templars do not rule countries. "Fine" people don't do this. She thinks she's the only one who can make things right. Anyone who comes between that is going to be a threat.

Well holding power over city is insane? well i didn't know that. She didn't rule country she did rule city in that blood mages with insane mages sometimes both were roaming around and that was only for time she will deal with them.Of course it couldn't end well as eventually she would lost her mind like in the end. Funny fact she was only person that could handle insane mages in kirkwall as either other templars were incompetent like cullen or stupid and soft like thrask that let escape abomnations and was helping them... and well hawke was doing nothing just sat on his ass or make things worse not mention even pro-templar hawke protects anders and merril...

[Orthiad]

Onto the next page?

No, everyone agains Thekomandorshepard.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Templars protect the chantry and mages. They're not rulers. And holding power by fiat generally is insane, yes. You didn't know that? Go try to take over your city with force. It usually doesn't go over well.

 

I understand being a Templar fan, but not a Meredith fan. She's a disgrace.

Templars protect world from mages by any mean necessary that they protect mages is only to look pretty.Grey wardens doesn't care about others as well however to deal with darkspawn they will even rule over city if necessary i don't see why she shouldn't. And yet it end for her well... at least in that matter.

 

Im not templar fan i see them as inefficient and often soft meredith wasn't such person sadly she was nuts but she knew hot properly treat mages and deal with her sadly her peoples were blind idiots in most.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No, everyone agains Thekomandorshepard.

It's more TKS vs everyone else since he tends to pick the debates. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I see her as no different than Loghain. A paranoid fanatic who thought they were the only one who knows what's right and good and grabbed all power for themselves.

 

I happen to let Loghain be a Warden though. And die. And redeem himself. I'd do the same for Meredith, but she's unredeemable, because of the idol.

And yet loghian was mostly right as well meredith they did not nice things and had good reasons for that. Pretty that logain paranoia was proper as well meredith paranoia as orlais wanted ferelden and in many things meredith was right about mages.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I get the feeling you just like being contrarian. Go off the beaten path. Say the unpopular thing, just for the sake of it.

 

I'm not going to try to change you though. Carry on.

Hmm nah i just say how things are or how i think about certain things. Wasn't that truth that orlais wanted ferelden back? Weren't in the end meredith suspicions valid? 

 

If i wanted say unpopular things i would start support tallis in her thread not say that i hope i won't see her again.