249 réponses à ce sujet

[TheKomandorShepard]

I don't think Meredith's suspicions were valid about Hawke at least. Unless you're Blood mage. Then it all makes sense. You really are mindwiping everyone in Kirkwall. Like Idunna.

 

I feel bad for Loghain's experiences, but he went off the deep end. He even thought my Dwarf was bought by the Empress of Orlais. I mean, come on....

Part about hawke wasn't (in fact that part was only after she went nuts) but as what she told about mages was mostly truth circle was corrupted including orsino that she suspected as well.

 

He didn't thought that your dwarf was brought by empress he thought that grey wardens were.In fact it was smart he didn't let orlesians cross the borders as it wouldn't be first time after the blight they have declared they take over the country and in fact they were very eager to get back ferelden. Only stupid thing he did was removing grey wardens from ferelden and that he gave howe power. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

He said it in the Landsmeet. He asks how much the Empress paid me. Forgot the exact lines, but he also mentions me being a dwarf, I think. The whole thing about the Wardens is another accusation.

Well he said it because he wanted others support since when politicians say only what they think?Guy also said that i kidnapped anora when i didn't.

[The Qun & the Damned]

[TheKomandorShepard]

Maybe. It's a good way of getting people to turn against you. The dwarf is an outsider, and mentioning Orlais makes it seem worse. I don't know how that makes it cooler than paranoia though. They're both unproductive approaches.

 

I've saved Loghain over and over again. You don't need to convince me he's worth saving. Just saying. I just think he went about things the wrong way. And so did Meredith.

They did mostly what they should and only few mistakes loghain throw out the wardens and meredith was using idol.RoA called by meredith was in place however she might have done that for wrong reasons action was proper response on corrupted mages. 

[DKJaigen]

I wonder just how receptive pro-mages will, from now on, be to having their own arguments used against them?

 

Mage uses blood magic? Well, it's the Templar's fault for not leaving them alone, they forced their hand.

 

Now Templars use Red Lyrium? It was the mage's fault for escaping en-masse, they forced their hand.

 

 

Oh yes ignore the fundamental problems of the templar order. Their is a reason you are not allowed to use any substance while serving  as a police officer as it makes you susceptible  to outside corruption and other influences, It could be very well that the templars  themselves where so desperate for lyrium they would drink red lyrium introduced by the very ones who created the breach.

 

No one trusts an addict to do the right thin unless they are forced to do it. the templars can be trusted to remain moral if their fix is on the line.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Oh yes ignore the fundamental problems of the templar order. Their is a reason you are not allowed to use any substance while serving  as a police officer as it makes you susceptible  to outside corruption and other influences, It could be very well that the templars  themselves where so desperate for lyrium they would drink red lyrium introduced by the very ones who created the breach.

 

No one trusts an addict to do the right thin unless they are forced to do it. the templars can be trusted to remain moral if their fix is on the line.

Lyrium is necessary for their powers like it or not.And no one said they have to be moral or nice as long they do their job it shouldn't be problem as they are there to protect world from mages by any means not to be nice for mages.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Some Templars would say the mages need to be protected jusr as much from the world too. The Nevvaran Accord specifically made their job to be guardians. Not hunters. They were hunters before, and then agreed to guard the Circle.

Some is good word because it isn't their goal RoA is example of this it was solution that involves to kill mages to protect world from them not to protect mages. Aslo many other things in circle. As i said protecting mages is only pretty line for mages so they could belive they are protected.In fact circles are only to protect world from mages not mages.

[myahele]

As far as I know the Rivaini, Starkhaven and Kirwall Circle have been annulled in just 7-10 yrs.

 

Kirkwall was a given. Rivain was pretty much unjastified just because they practiced the old ways. Starkhaven I am not too sure about since it was burnt/ demolished. Ferelden would've been a possibility.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yes, yes.. it's all a pretty line. David Gaider went through all of this trouble to create a gigantic faction, just so another faction could beat them down.

Eee and what that have common as i said templars are to protect world not to protect mages it should be clear at this point only naive like evangeline belive in that templars are protect mages and even she is shown that isn't in case.

[MisterJB]

Rivain was pretty much unjastified just because they practiced the old ways.

Which involved becoming Abominations and ruling over men.

I think that was the most justified Annulment we've seen in the series. The Abominations were running the Circle, after all.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Even if they didn't personally care, mages are still useful. It's just a waste to treat commodities badly. They have to be good stewards, in this case.

 

Their job is to care somewhat though. They are Andrastian. Not random sadists and pirates. "Blessed are the peacekeepers, the champions of the just."

 

If you don't believe in that, might as well just be Qunari or just a random mage hater. Not a Templar.

 

As i said templars aren't to protect mages only to protect world in own way... they don't torture mages (well sometimes) but also don't protect them they just watch them because it their job but they don't do that for them only for the world...

if you want compare templars to qunari or radom mage hater (well many templars if not most shows signs of hate toward mages) it is your call.

 

It is said that morality isn't necessary for templars only ability to deal with mages...

[MisterJB]

TKS as a Templar would be kind of funny tough:

"Ok men, we have to decide what to do about this new Kirkwall Circle...

 

Annul it!

 

The last time we did that we needed a new Knight Commander, a new Chantry, a new half of Kirkwall...

 

Don't annul it!"

 

 

 

"Sir, I have found evidence of blood magic in this mage's quarters.

 

Those are tampons, recruit.

 

The foulest of magic, I tell you!"

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Duties of a templar 

Templars are sworn to protect the world from the dangers of magic, but they also protect mages from the outside world, a world that fears these magic users for very good reasons. It is the templars' place to watch their charges for signs of weakness or corruption and, should they find it, to act without hesitation for the good of all. One of the Order's most important duties occurs during a mage's Harrowing. During this, a templar watches over the body of the mage, ready to kill him or her if demonic possession occurs. In addition, templars are responsible for seeking out mages newly come into their power and bringing them into the Circle. Inevitably, the Order must also pursue mages who escape the Circle but typically can track the fugitives using a phylactery of blood from their quarry.

In the extreme event that an entire Circle of mages becomes corrupted, templars also have access to the Right of Annulment which authorizes them to "pacify" or kill all mages in a Circle tower. This would be used in the event that total chaos was unleashed by the mages and there is no chance that anyone in the Circle could be saved. The considerable power the Order holds over mages occasionally leads to charges of tyranny and abuse, since the balance between protection and oppression of the mages is precarious. Nevertheless, according to the Chantry, this is the price that must be paid for the security the templars offer.[1]

[TheKomandorShepard]

No, I'm comparing you to a random mage hater. Not Templars. You seem like you'd make a poor Templar. You're saying morality has nothing to do with it. It's a branch of the Chantry. Not just some secular military or police force.

Random mage hater would want mage to suffer as they are driven by hate im driven by action that will strengthen thedas and keep it safe. IT is said that morality is minor thing for templars and isn't required. I would make good templar as their job is to protect world from mages and i would ensure they will never destroy it.

 

 

TKS as a Templar would be kind of funny tough:

"Ok men, we have to decide what to do about this new Kirkwall Circle...

 

Annul it!

 

The last time we did that we needed a new Knight Commander, a new Chantry, a new half of Kirkwall...

 

Don't annul it!"

 

 

 

"Sir, I have found evidence of blood magic in this mage's quarters.

 

Those are tampons, recruit.

 

The foulest of magic, I tell you!"

It wasn't because RoA only Because of Anders...

 

 

Duties of a templar 

Templars are sworn to protect the world from the dangers of magic, but they also protect mages from the outside world, a world that fears these magic users for very good reasons. It is the templars' place to watch their charges for signs of weakness or corruption and, should they find it, to act without hesitation for the good of all. One of the Order's most important duties occurs during a mage's Harrowing. During this, a templar watches over the body of the mage, ready to kill him or her if demonic possession occurs. In addition, templars are responsible for seeking out mages newly come into their power and bringing them into the Circle. Inevitably, the Order must also pursue mages who escape the Circle but typically can track the fugitives using a phylactery of blood from their quarry.

In the extreme event that an entire Circle of mages becomes corrupted, templars also have access to the Right of Annulment which authorizes them to "pacify" or kill all mages in a Circle tower. This would be used in the event that total chaos was unleashed by the mages and there is no chance that anyone in the Circle could be saved. The considerable power the Order holds over mages occasionally leads to charges of tyranny and abuse, since the balance between protection and oppression of the mages is precarious. Nevertheless, according to the Chantry, this is the price that must be paid for the security the templars offer.[1]

It is only fairy tale for naive as i said Evangeline thought that templars protect mages in the end her illusion was broken.RoA not always is necessity rather convenience pretty much in broken circle mages could be saved but RoA was pulled because it was convenient if templars goal would be protect mages they would do that no just chop mages for sake protection.And in fact that how it should be templars should protect world not mages and they do. Even when meredith wanted chop circle because peoples would want mages blood (she declared that as reason) other templars went with her...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It is only fairy tale for naive as i said Evangeline thought that templars protect mages in the end her illusion was broken.RoA not always is necessity rather convenience pretty much in broken circle mages could be saved but RoA was pulled because it was convenient if templars goal would be protect mages they would do that no just chop mages for sake protection.And in fact that how it should be templars should protect world not mages and they do. Even when meredith wanted chop circle because peoples would want mages blood (she declared that as reason) other templars went with her...

Did you just call what I posted a fairy tale? 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Did you just call what I posted a fairy tale? 

No i called that part about protecting mages is one... but also in fact yes partly called that what you posted a fairy tale as there was part about that.

[EmperorSahlertz]

As far as I know the Rivaini, Starkhaven and Kirwall Circle have been annulled in just 7-10 yrs.

 

Kirkwall was a given. Rivain was pretty much unjastified just because they practiced the old ways. Starkhaven I am not too sure about since it was burnt/ demolished. Ferelden would've been a possibility.

The Starkhaven Circle was not annulled, it was burned to the ground by rebellious mages.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No i called that part about protecting mages is one... but also in fact yes partly called that what you posted a fairy tale as there was part about that.

So official DA lore is a fairy tale? Well, I mean ignoring the "It's a fairy tale because all of DA is not real" thing. 

 

You may not like it, but Bioware says that Templars protect the world from mages and mages from the world. And it is their story, so their word is law.