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[TheKomandorShepard]

So official DA lore is a fairy tale? Well, I mean ignoring the "It's a fairy tale because all of DA is not real" thing. 

 

You may not like it, but Bioware says that Templars protect the world from mages and mages from the world. And it is their story, so their word is law.

This isn't dragon age lore it is function that chantry tell mages are doing doesn't mean that it is truth in reality and in fact it isn't same as with tevinter and blood magic that someone tells you that he can walk when in reality he can't doesn't mean that he can... all we heard about it is naive individuals or codex entry...

 

 

 

How is it a fairy tale when the way the Templar Order started and existed was put the protection of mages as one of their jobs. It's little bit of both. Protection of the world, and magic. Not just one.

 

It's like saying the job description of secretary isn't taking phone calls. That's just a fairy tale.

 

If fob description says that secretary have to take phone calls but in reality she isn't doing that it is fairy tale...

[TKavatar]

Oh look a mages vs Templar thread. We haven't had one of those in ages.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How is it a fairy tale when the way the Templar Order started and existed was put the protection of mages as one of their jobs. It's little bit of both. Protection of the world, and magic. Not just one.

 

It's like saying the job description of secretary isn't taking phone calls. That's just a fairy tale.

Yeah. If they never had an interest in protecting mages and only the world, they'd just kill anyone who shows magical talent. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This isn't dragon age lore it is function that chantry tell mages are doing doesn't mean that it is truth in reality and in fact it isn't same as with tevinter and blood magic that someone tells you that he can walk when in reality he can't doesn't mean that he can... all we heard about it is naive individuals or codex entry...

From a DA blog about the lore of factions:

 

Templars

 

Most people don’t remember the Templar Order as it once was. In the days when the Chantry was still young, templars were known as the “Inquisition” and combed the land in search of all dangers to humanity—whether they came in the form of blood mages, abominations, cultists or heretics. It was a dark and terrifying time in the history of Thedas, and one that only ended when the Chantry convinced the Inquisition to unite under the banner of their common faith. The name of their order changed, and their purpose because that of guardian and warden rather than hunter. As they see it, they protect the innocents of the outside world from magic… but they also protect mages from the outside world, a world that fears them for very good reasons. It is a templar’s place to watch their charges for signs of weakness or corruption, and should they find it to act without hesitation for the good of all. That this occasionally leads to charges of tyranny and abuse is, according to the Chantry, a price that must be paid for the security the templars offer.

 

Some are saying, however, that this needs to change. They remind the world that mages are not controlled by templars everywhere in Thedas: not among the Rivaini witches, the Dalish keepers or the Tevinter magisters… and those societies are, arguably, no worse off. The Templar Order, however, is nothing if not certain of its role. From the glittering White Spire in Val Royeaux the Knight-Vigilant commands the templars to serve the Maker’s will and keep the peace. By the common folk they are seen as self-sacrificing men and women, vigilant warriors that form the first line of defense between humanity and the chaos that once ruled the land during the old Imperium. To the mages they are often seen as oppressors, even well-meaning ones, and the gap between them is growing larger with each passing year.

 

“Magic exists to serve mankind, and never to rule over him.”

 

- From the Chant of Light

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yeah. If they never had an interest in protecting mages and only the world, they'd just kill anyone who shows magical talent. 

Elves? So now you tell me that chantry protects them because they didn't killed them?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Elves? So now you tell me that chantry protects them because they didn't killed them?

The Chantry protects Andrastian elves, yes.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Chantry protects Andrastian elves, yes.

Sorry but that sums that up show me where they protected them?

Even divine didn't had courage that elves are maker childrens and ordered burn them off...

 

 

It is lore. It's in the Nevarran accord (recently trashed however).

 

Neverran accord exist sure and is part of the lore but that is only paper and doesn't establish reality you can write there that templars love mages but it won't be truth in most cases...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Can you type your statement one more time but this time use proper grammar? I can't respond if I have no idea how to read your comment.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Can you type your statement one more time but this time use proper grammar? I can't respond if I have no idea how to read your comment.

Even divine didn't had courage to tell in public that elves are maker children and send leliana to tell empress to burn them...

[Giggles_Manically]

Its kinda like a cycle of revenge in a way.

 

The mages break free.

The Templars fight back,

The Mages fight back harder.

So the Templars do something drastic to contain them

 

Becoming the very thing they once swore to fight. 

 

No they are running around slaughtering towns and using magic that corrupts.

The Red Templars definitely need to be put down it seems. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Its kinda like a cycle of revenge in a way.

 

The mages break free.

The Templars fight back,

The Mages fight back harder.

So the Templars do something drastic to contain them

 

Becoming the very thing they once swore to fight. 

 

No they are running around slaughtering towns and using magic that corrupts.

The Red Templars definitely need to be put down it seems. 

Red templars are knew and without lyrium templars can't become "very thing they once swore to fight." even arlik who is seen as worst templar to that day was far from abomnation.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Even divine didn't had courage to tell in public that elves are maker children and send leliana to tell empress to burn them...

Are you trying to say: "Even the Divine didn't have the courage to say that the elves are the Maker's children in public and instead sent Leliana to tell the Empress to burn them."?

 

As for Mages v Templars, you know what, doesn't matter. I have Bioware on my side, and since this is Bioware's world I'm right and you're wrong. Let's end this here before we get  in trouble for being offtopic and get back to discussing the Red Templars by themselves since this is the topic of the thread. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

And hence why there's a new Inquisition. Things have fallen apart. If people have forgotten their origins, it's time to either recreate them or come up with something better.

 

The Templars were originally made because the Chantry realized that mages needed to be protected. It was to balance out the existing mage hunting that had gone before. The Chantry recognized mages contributions, but also knew it needed to be kept in check. The Templars were created for their benefit, as much as anyone else's.

And how do you know that chantry wanted protect mages? You don't and i doubt that chantry then was better than chantry now after all current chantry follow old traditions. It could be just entry to appease mages as far we didn't saw that in case as i said only in few individuals that are naive.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Are you trying to say: "Even the Divine didn't have the courage to say that the elves are the Maker's children in public and instead sent Leliana to tell the Empress to burn them."?

 

You know what, doesn't matter. I have Bioware on my side, and since this is Bioware's world I'm right and you're wrong. Let's end this here before we get  in trouble for being offtopic and get back to discussing the Red Templars by themselves since this is the topic of the thread. 

No you don't have bio on your side you think that you have bio on your side. Someone told you that peoples can't die now you see peoples are dying and still scream that peoples can't die because someone told you that...

 

I have real examples of that chantry doesn't protect or even care about elves it is fact ferelden or orlais chantry don't give crap at best single individual will be intrested but that is all.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No you don't have bio on your side you think that you have bio on your side. Someone told you that peoples can't die now you see peoples are dying and still scream that peoples can't die because someone told you that...

 

I have real examples of that chantry don't protect or even care about elves it is fact ferelden or orlais chantry don't give crap at best single individual will be intrested but that is all.

Yes I do. They created the Dragon Age universe, thus they have Word of God.

 

The part of the post you're replying to is about the Mage/Templar debate on whether Templars defend mages from the world, not the elves. I'm still trying to understand what you're saying about that discussion, but don't really care and this is not the thread for elf discussion.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Now if you want to create your own lore and ignore DG, go right ahead. But leave me out of it. I'm done.

 

And where it says that chantry cared about mages it says the wanted use them not to protect them...

 

 

Yes I do. They created the Dragon Age universe, thus they have Word of God.

 

The part of the post you're replying to is about the Mage/Templar debate on whether Templars defend mages from the world, not the elves. I'm still trying to understand what you're saying about that discussion, but don't really care and this is not the thread for elf discussion.

 

And where they said that chantry protect mages? I mean word of god not random description of the organization? If dg said it i will belive it and it is only in case of origin of chantry not now...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And where it says that chantry cared about mages it says the wanted use them not to protect them...

Slave owners didn't care about their slaves either, and just wanted to use them. Doesn't mean they didn't protect their slaves.

[MisterJB]

And where it says that chantry cared about mages it says the wanted use them not to protect them...

You need to care for your tools if you wish to use them. That doesn't mean you care about them in a personal level but you still need to protect them.

 

Edit: Ninja'ed by Hinata. Very appropriate.

[Chibi Elemental]

the villains that do all the wrong things for all the right reasons are usually the best villains, can't wait to meet and stabby knife these guys.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Slave owners didn't care about their slaves either, and just wanted to use them. Doesn't mean they didn't protect their slaves.

Not rly magisters kill them , isabela drowned them there are in fact few peoples that protect slaves and still mostly slavers to moment they sell them.

 

 

You need to care for your tools if you wish to use them. That doesn't mean you care about them in a personal level but you still need to protect them.

 

Edit: Ninja'ed by Hinata. Very appropriate.

not necessarily as i said above that elves are tools doesn't means they don't kill them regularly see ferelden or orlais.

 

In fact description of alienage is that it protect elves but we know how it rly is...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not rly magisters kill them , isabela drowned them there are in fact few peoples that protect slaves and still mostly slavers to moment they sell them.

When the magister kills a slave, it's because they see them as being more useful to them as fuel for the spell than being alive.

Isabela killed them in a sense of self-preservation. Again, more useful dead than alive.

 

So neither example disproves my statement.

 

But again, let's get this back to being about the Red Templars. 

[myahele]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the chantry kinda 1st originated in Tevinter?

 

after/ during the 1st blight people there lost faith in the old Gods, killed the magisters nad dreamer mages and adopted the teaching of the chantry. Originally, non-mages were the head of the chantry, but that eventually changed.