And yeah, the 750 and 750Ti aren't good gaming cards, they are entry-level gaming GPUs. Good for most games, but underpowered if you want to run demanding stuff with good quality.
For gaming, I wouldn't settle below a GTX 660/Ti/760 or HD 7870/R9 270X. Interestingly, that's also all the power an average gamer needs, so it really is a sweet spot. Shell out those 200-230 bucks and you have a really good gaming GPU.
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Just remember I said "demanding stuff". The 750Ti especially is actually a great value card if you don't look at playing GPU intensive games like Crysis, Battlefield, Call of Duty, Total War, etc.. They are a really, really good "casual" GPU to have on your library/living room PC when you just want to play a couple hours each weekend and overall a brilliant media GPU. Just not something to top benchmarks with. Just to make that point clear, there is no such thing as a bad GPU, only bad value and the 750Ti has great value for what it's designed to do, it's just that it isn't designed to run the latest games at their prettiest quality.
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Btw, sorry if I seem a bit overeager/preaching here. It's just that I see so much people recommend stuff or say other stuff is crap for entirely wrong reasons or always assuming the other guy has thousands of bucks to burn on a PC and if he doesn't buy a two thousand bucks gaming PC with the latest CPU, GPU and that 1200W PSU + 16GB 2400MHz RAM, he's a "casual" and shouldn't be playing videogames and that sort of bullshit. And I just grew into trying to give as best advice/recommendations as possible whenever asked, so I tend to be a bit ... extensive.
No. I want to play Age of Wonders III, Witcher 2, Sleeping Dogs, Modded New Vegas, Assassin's Creed IV and games like them. In some of them I have to lower the AA option, in others plus Lightning and water effects and texture details too. They're not very enjoyable right now, except Witcher 2 and the texture-modded New Vegas that I can still make something interesting out of the graphic options.
My graphic card completely failed at Assassin's Creed IV. 15 fps in the lowest setting.
No. I want to play Age of Wonders III, Witcher 2, Sleeping Dogs, Modded New Vegas, Assassin's Creed IV and games like them. In some of them I have to lower the AA option, in others plus Lightning and water effects and texture details too. They're not very enjoyable right now, except Witcher 2 and the texture-modded New Vegas that I can still make something interesting out of the graphic options.
My graphic card completely failed at Assassin's Creed IV. 15 fps in the lowest setting.
then you should buy a HD7870/R9 270X or a GTX660ti and maybe overclock it (very simple), and you have enough power to run all mentioned games in FHD and high/very high settings with a good framerate.
GTX 660 TI
MSI Z87-G45
i5 4670k @ 3.4
8 gig RAM (I don't remember what kind)
Windows 7 64 bit
some Corsaire power supply
a lot of noctua fans
Corsaire case
more techno mumble goes here.
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750ti is a lovely card for living room PC, and is not nearly as shitty as some might think.
It averages 44fps in BF4 Ultra + 4x MSAA (1080p) which means that if you stick to postAA and drop the shadows to high you have a 60fps experience using 60W, that's pretty impressive... especially if you take into account that next-gen consoles are faling to deliver that, even with a closed hardware spec and gaming focused OS.
I currently play for the red team, but if the bigger Maxwells are as good as the 750ti I'll switch immediately.
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750ti is a lovely card for living room PC, and is not nearly as shitty as some might think.
It averages 44fps in BF4 Ultra + 4x MSAA (1080p) which means that if you stick to postAA and drop the shadows to high you have a 60fps experience using 60W, that's pretty impressive... especially if you take into account that next-gen consoles are faling to deliver that, even with a closed hardware spec and gaming focused OS.
I currently play for the red team, but if the bigger Maxwells are as good as the 750ti I'll switch immediately.
That has to be singleplayer benchmark, because there's no way that GPU could achieve those average fps with 4xMSAA on Ultra settings @ 1080p in MP matches. I have to cut down MSAA significantly to keep my framrates stable at 60 with a high/ultra mixed settings and my GPU (660Ti) is roughly double as powerful as the 750Ti (1344 vs 640 stream processors/CUDAs, significantly higher memory bandwidth and higher core and memory clock on my OC GPU aswell).
That has to be singleplayer benchmark, because there's no way that GPU could achieve those average fps with 4xMSAA on Ultra settings @ 1080p in MP matches. I have to cut down MSAA significantly to keep my framrates stable at 60 with a high/ultra mixed settings and my GPU (660Ti) is roughly double as powerful as the 750Ti (1344 vs 640 stream processors/CUDAs, significantly higher memory bandwidth and higher core and memory clock on my OC GPU aswell).
Yes, put many players and NPCs in a game's area and framerate goes lower, at least in newer games in general.
Although I hadn't experience it in Mass Effect games! Mass Effect games actually gave me overconfidence in my GPU.
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Yes, put many players and NPCs in a game's area and framerate goes lower, at least in newer games in general.
Although I hadn't experience it in Mass Effect games! Mass Effect games actually gave me overconfidence in my GPU.
Mass Effect was hardly a demanding game and its engine (Unreal) was already pretty well optimized by that point.
I might also add though that the Frostbite 3 engine isn't very heavy on itself and most of Bf4 infamous performance hogging takes place during the MP matches with their large maps and 64 player action, which is a lot to process for both CPU and GPU. It's singleplayer is actually less demanding than CoD Ghosts unless I misremember the benchmarks (though that is in good part because CoD Ghosts' optimization is terribad). It's why I said that must have been a SP benchmark, there I'd believe it without much fuzz.
Which also speaks positive about the DAI system requirements, as there won't be any massive MP to suck out every ounce of performance from your PC.
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That has to be singleplayer benchmark, because there's no way that GPU could achieve those average fps with 4xMSAA on Ultra settings @ 1080p in MP matches.
Nope, Siege of Shangai 64 players gameplay.
I have to cut down MSAA significantly to keep my framrates stable at 60 with a high/ultra mixed settings and my GPU (660Ti) is roughly double as powerful as the 750Ti (1344 vs 640 stream processors/CUDAs, significantly higher memory bandwidth and higher core and memory clock on my OC GPU aswell).
Guest_Aotearas_*
Siege of Shangai 64 players gameplay.
Hardware 101: You don't compare different architectures by the numbers.Maxwell is a completely different design, while the specs may look vastly lower the 750ti is several times more efficient than your card.
Looked through the video.
60+ fps when nothing was going on and him just sightseeing through an almost completely empty map. Fps dipped by 12 just from looking at simple particle effects like smoke and the one time where there was some gameplay representative action it was with short LoS and instantly frames dipped well below 40. And at the only time we actually see the scoreboard I counted 44 players plus one commander, not 64 players.
Also, Hardware 101:
Efficiency = Efficacy. Yes, Maxwell is more efficient. No, that does not make it more powerful. It would mean more power if it were more efficient AND still had the same power draw, but the efficiency on the 750 and its Ti cousin is used on low energy draw, rather than getting more out of the same power draw compared to other cards.
Whilst I have to remedy my point that it must have been a SP benchmark, my baseline argument still stands: I have yet to see a gameplay representative benchmark where a 750 Ti can pull Ultra settings @ 1080p and achieve fluid visuals.
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Whilst I have to remedy my point that it must have been a SP benchmark, my baseline argument still stands: I have yet to see a gameplay representative benchmark where a 750 Ti can pull Ultra settings @ 1080p and achieve fluid visuals.
Re-read my post then, I didn't say Ultra.
Like I said, dropping those two settings makes it a 60fps experience.
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Re-read my post then, I didn't say Ultra.
Like I said, dropping those two settings makes it a 60fps experience.
And I was still talking about the 44 fps average, not the 60 if options were dropped.
Your average Bf4 64 player match is pretty active with lots of action. And if the video is to go by, it would mean an average fps of just above 30 under those conditions. Smaller LoS would help alleviate the issue, but that usually trades in for more action as smaller maps mean faster action.
Can our eyes tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps? I haven't paid attention to that. Anything above 24 fps has worked fine for me.
AMD A8-4555M APU with Radeon HD Graphics 1.60 GHz
8GB of Ram
64bit WIndows 8 (EW)
AMD Radeon HD 7600G
I recently got this for only £150 so it's totally worth it.
AMD A8-4555M APU with Radeon HD Graphics 1.60 GHz
8GB of Ram
64bit WIndows 8 (EW)
AMD Radeon HD 7600G
I've got a Core i3 2.4 Ghz laptop (with 4 GB ram) and its speed is acceptable even on Win 8.1. But I don't know if a 1.6 Ghz Cpu is sufficient for this age and can run any professional post-2005 program!
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Can our eyes tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps? I haven't paid attention to that. Anything above 24 fps has worked fine for me.
Eyes do not work like a camera in the way that it captures individual images and then plays them really fast in succession to imitate movement. Eyes percieve a constant stream of information.
Check out this great article on the issue.
Been playing too much with my box and now things just aren't right anymore. Need help getting some proper Epeen going on.
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µITX MOBO in an ATX case, lolwut.?
You shittin' me.
My current gaming and working PC:
Intel I7 4960x
Asus Rampage IV Extreme Mobo
Kingston 32GB CL11 2133 mhz beast series
GTX 780ti SC ACX SLI
2TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm
1TB Samsung EVO Basic 840 SSD
Cooler Master Silent Pro 1000W 80
Noctua NH-C14
Fractal Define Design R4 Black Chassi.
All in all i like it pretty well and i use it to more than just gaming.
I do more with less. I think my mouse has more processing power in itself than my first PC did :S
Intel I7 4960x
i´ll never understand why people buy this CPU. it costs twice as much as the 4930K and has just a 200MHz higher clock (which shouldn´t be the matter as you can overclock both) and 3KB more cache.
You shittin' me.
i´ll never understand why people buy this CPU. it costs double as much as the 4930K and has just a 200MHz higher clock (which shouldn´t be the matter as you can overclock both) and 3KB more cache.
Because i got it with 35% off, i know people working with cpu's so it was a pretty good price for it.
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