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[XMissWooX]

It is entirely possible Cole's abilities along with demonic influence are something distinct from blood magic. Certainly, blood mages are capable of forcing people to reveal secrets; see Idunna the Wonder of the East; and if demons could just mind control a mage into letting them in, there would be little point in the mind games they play.
 
Your interpretation is possible. but it sounds strange. Rhys was arguing that Cole was a human mage. Since Lambert wanted to prove that Cole is a demon, why mention that "only mages can perform blood magic as opposed to non-mages"? That would strengthen Rhys' position.
 
Also, here's another compelling argument I didn't mention before:
"Did he? He followed you halfway across the Empire? Somehow keeping pace with you the entire way without you once spotting him? And let me guess, the first time you saw him was when you were activelly looking for him."

I assumed he was using blood magic because (initially) he needed to kill people in order to maintain a presence in the real world (or at least, he *thought* he did).
I also think that Idduna and Tahrone were somewhat special cases in terms of how powerful their magic was. And even then, a Mage (Hawke, Anders, Bethany) could easily break the hold Idduna had on them, so Mages seem quite able to combat that particular ability.

And the line "or he is a disembodied spirit trying desperately to maintain a connection to our world, his only power the ability to influence the minds of others" is interesting to me because that is pretty much what a lot of people speculate Cole is (the DA Wiki lists him as a Shade).
Since Lambert seems to know a fair bit about spirits/demons, his mentioning it makes it seem a rather viable interpretation. He seemed to truly believe that Cole was a demon, so I don't think he felt the need to lie to Rhys.

That last quote could be interpreted in different ways. Again, I just sort of assumed Lambert meant that each time Rhys saw Cole, he was either seeing him in the Fade (when he slept), or that Cole was materialising when Rhys called him, rather than Cole actually possessing Rhys.

I just think that if the book meant to indicate that demons couldn't do blood magic, it seems odd to show a (suspected) demon using blood magic in later chapters. Add to that the fact that demons were the ones who (apparently) taught mortals magic, and I don't recall any codex saying they can't (In fact, shades apparently *do* use magic, though I'm not sure if it is blood magic), it seems like Cole could have used his powers without possessing Rhys.
Whether he did actually posses Rhys however, remains to be seen.

[leaguer of one]

"Cole is (the DA Wiki lists him as a Shade)."

...*Goes a checks.

...I did not see that.... That would mean Cole is effecting the world directly.

[XMissWooX]

...*Goes a checks.
...I did not see that.... That would mean Cole is effecting the world directly.

Well the Wiki is not always accurate, and most of what we know about Cole is speculation.
But considering he is implied to have physically manifested in the real world (hence why he has a specific appearance - presumably that of the original Cole) as opposed to possessing a corpse or creating an abomination, I think that would make him a Shade.

Edit: e.g Think of The Baroness - a very powerful demon able to take a specific (human) form outside of the Fade.

[Tootles FTW]

Probably because he goes around murdering people out of his twisted idea of mercy? Or maybe because he also kills people out of fear that he's going to disappear? Or maybe because he has shown to be affected by the Litany of Adralla, which is supposed to dispel mind control and stun demons?

 

Tell me, have we met a trustworthy demon in either game yet?

 

I'm not saying he isn't  trustworthy, but let's not pretend that he hasn't given us any reasons to not be cautious either.

 

Watch, Cole is going to be Dragon Age's version of Mass Effect's Legion.

[leaguer of one]

Watch, Cole is going to be Dragon Age's version of Mass Effect's Legion.

Didn't people use to say they never meet a trustworthy Darkspawn  back in DAOas well?

[leaguer of one]

Well the Wiki is not always accurate, and most of what we know about Cole is speculation.
But considering he is implied to have physically manifested in the real world (hence why he has a specific appearance - presumably that of the original Cole) as opposed to possessing a corpse or creating an abomination, I think that would make him a Shade.

Edit: e.g Think of The Baroness - a very powerful demon able to take a specific (human) form outside of the Fade.

1.The Baroness is an abomination.

 

2. Yes, if he is a demon not controlling anything he would be a Shade. And a shade can be any demon.

[XMissWooX]

1.The Baroness is an abomination.
 
2. Yes, if he is a demon not controlling anything he would be a Shade. And a shade can be any demon.

Huh. That's odd.

The Wiki did say:
"Together with Justice, you must confront the Baroness, who, during the long years spent in the Fade feeding on the peasants' spirits, has become a Pride Demon so powerful that she's able to enter the mortal world even without a body to possess."
And considering she later takes on the form of a Pride Demon, I assumed she was one. Wouldn't she have had to possess a living being in the real world to be an abomonation?

[KirstyLionheart]

I haven't read Asunder myself, but judging by everyone's comments and the wiki's own description of him the rogue seems a pretty good fit for Cole

Because speculation is part of the fun.

Just being daft. Not against BSN law, is it?

[duckley]

Many people who play Inquisition will not have read Asunder and will not  know  Coles story in the same detail as those who have read the book. Personally, I didn't care for Cole as a character in Asunder, and probably wont use him as a companion in the game.

[leaguer of one]

Huh. That's odd.

The Wiki did say:
"Together with Justice, you must confront the Baroness, who, during the long years spent in the Fade feeding on the peasants' spirits, has become a Pride Demon so powerful that she's able to enter the mortal world even without a body to possess."
And considering she later takes on the form of a Pride Demon, I assumed she was one. Wouldn't she have had to possess a living being in the real world to be an abomonation?

"The Baroness was once the ruler of the Blackmarsh during theOrlesian occupation of Ferelden. She was a corrupt Blood Mage who was burned in her own house, but not before sending the entire town to the Fade, where she continued to rule them, immortal. She eventually returned to Thedas as an abomination, where she was slain by the Warden-Commander of Ferelden."

 

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Baroness

 

And abominations can take pride demon forms. Remember the circle tower boss?

[KirstyLionheart]

Many people who play Inquisition will not have read Asunder and will not  know  Coles story in the same detail as those who have read the book. Personally, I didn't care for Cole as a character in Asunder, and probably wont use him as a companion in the game.

Very true, however having read Asunder myself, I adore Cole and can't wait for him to appear in DAI and find out more about him. He's already deeply intriguing to me as it is but.. damn he must have some stories to tell!

[leaguer of one]

Many people who play Inquisition will not have read Asunder and will not  know  Coles story in the same detail as those who have read the book. Personally, I didn't care for Cole as a character in Asunder, and probably wont use him as a companion in the game.

You don't even have to play DAO or DA2. And what you do with him is up to you.

[XMissWooX]

"The Baroness was once the ruler of the Blackmarsh during theOrlesian occupation of Ferelden. She was a corrupt Blood Mage who was burned in her own house, but not before sending the entire town to the Fade, where she continued to rule them, immortal. She eventually returned to Thedas as an abomination, where she was slain by the Warden-Commander of Ferelden."
 
http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Baroness
 
And abominations can take pride demon forms. Remember the circle tower boss?

Looks like the Wiki contradicts itself
Justice does call her "a Demon of Pride", which confuses the issue.
But what I meant was, in order to be an abomination, wouldn't there have had to be something alive in the Blackmarsh for the Demon to possess?
With Uldred, the Demon apparently possessed him, so he became an abomination.

[leaguer of one]

Looks like the Wiki contradicts itself
Justice does call her "a Demon of Pride", which confuses the issue.
But what I meant was, in order to be an abomination, wouldn't there have had to be something alive in the Blackmarsh for the Demon to possess?
With Uldred, the Demon apparently possessed him, so he became an abomination.

She is still Alive. Her body is just in the fade for all those years.

[DKJaigen]

Or his memory erasing of others is just a form of demon mind manipulation.

 

But we already knew Cole was fallowing and look for Rhy's. Even giving info the Rhy's has no way of knowing. I would say Coles powers of  a demon allowed him to keep up.

 

It would be an assumption to label Cole a demon. Normal spirits are likely just as skilled in bloodmagic as demons.

[The Night Haunter]

Just a note: Demons and Spirits are the exact same thing. The only difference between 'demons' and 'spirits' is what type of emotion / 'part of the human (sentient being) experience' they feed off of. Justice is obviously a 'good' idea, so he is considered a spirit. Pride, Desire, etc are generally considered 'base' emotions and are the easiest to fulfill (for demons/spirits) through potentially 'evil' actions. The possibility certainly exists that a desire 'demon' exists who we would consider a spirit because (s)he limits him-/her-self to 'good' desires.

 

So anything that effects demons would also effect spirits and vice versa. The only difference between spirits and demons is semantics.  

[XMissWooX]

She is still Alive. Her body is just in the fade for all those years.

Ah, I think I understand.

So she was a blood mage who was possessed by a Pride Demon and became an abomination. When the townsfolk tried to kill her, she brought them all into the Fade, and when she came back to the real world again she was still alive as a demon-possessed-blood-mage-abomination. And when she changed form, that was the demon showing its true self?