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Isn't dying kind of pointless in the long run?


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I'm pretty sure it'd be a very epic death in ME2 if you end up going that path..but isn't it pointless when you're looking ahead to ME3? I mean there won't be an entirely different main character right? So wouldn't you just have to make/use a different Shepard?

What's the point of dying if your sacrifice isn't carried over into the next game? Just wondering

Modifié par vallix, 23 janvier 2010 - 02:08 .


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I think, as in real life, the goal is more not to die.

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Just to see "What if" You are correct we wouldn't be able to import that character.

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If you don't die, you still play as Shepard. At least I think you still play as Shepard. Damn, I have no idea how they're gonna pull off ME3.

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I made a Shepard specifically to kill him off. The Renegade evil Shep is going down, so I'm looking forward to utilizing this perma-death feature.

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The point is to FORCE you to experience the "optional" content.

They much revised how exploration works and how side-quests are structured (made it all much more interesting and fluid). They didn't want people just blowing through the game.

Modifié par Crawling_Chaos, 23 janvier 2010 - 02:10 .


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EPIC THREAD TITLE.

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I don't see how dying in ME2 would be any less "epic" than dying in ME3. Really there is nothing honorable about death, but how a person lived? That is truly honorable.



Philosophy aside...



Even if you have one of your Shepards get offed and you can't continue their storyline you can still import the same character from ME1 again and start the whole sage over again OR go to an earlier save, probably like ten hours before the end death, and take more time to prepare.

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Christina Norman has said twice (once in interview, the other on the XFire playthrough) that you can't import a Shepard save file if Shepard dies. Ergo, you'll start ME3 with either a living Shepard save file, or you'll get a Canon shepard to play through it with.



Which is to say, Shepard can not actually die, because the game refuses to play without him being alive. Bioware overhype strikes again.

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What are the chances of them straying away from Shepard for the third instalment? Perhaps it'll feature a Shepard cameo (if they survive), but the story focusses on another character. 

I doubt this would happen, though it's the only way I can think they could make your death incredibly meaningful in 2...at least for the moment.

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Though Shepard cannot technically "die" YOUR Shepard can die. So it's not technically overhype, the entire experience you built from your Shepard from ME 1 and ME 2 can be wiped out in one cataclysmic event. Therefore, Shepard from ME3 would be just a bland stock Shepard that has no history, no background, and no attachment to the player. So Shepard does indeed die, just more on the emotional attachment level rather than the physical level.

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Its just a way to have consequences to your actions and make that save game not transferable.

There will be no new MC.

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adam_grif wrote...

Christina Norman has said twice (once in interview, the other on the XFire playthrough) that you can't import a Shepard save file if Shepard dies. Ergo, you'll start ME3 with either a living Shepard save file, or you'll get a Canon shepard to play through it with.

Which is to say, Shepard can not actually die, because the game refuses to play without him being alive. Bioware overhype strikes again.


No no, they added death to make the suicide mission appear more dangerous.  Death only happens to those who rush through the game and forgo the side-content.

They should have made it so that if you died with a character file, that character was permanantly dead and you could no longer use it for any new-games/+'s

Modifié par Crawling_Chaos, 23 janvier 2010 - 02:18 .


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merikano wrote...

I don't see how dying in ME2 would be any less "epic" than dying in ME3. Really there is nothing honorable about death, but how a person lived? That is truly honorable.

Philosophy aside...

Even if you have one of your Shepards get offed and you can't continue their storyline you can still import the same character from ME1 again and start the whole sage over again OR go to an earlier save, probably like ten hours before the end death, and take more time to prepare.

You don't? Let me explain.

I look at Mass Effect(and I'm sure others do a swell) as one epic story, even if it's a trilogy. When you look at Lord of the Rings, you think of the entire journey, not 3 individual stories. If I kill my Shepard off in Mass Effect 2, and when I boot up Mass Effect 3 and that can't carry over at all, it feels almost pointless to have died in the first place. Besides, I never said dying in ME2 would be less epic than dying in ME3.

Modifié par vallix, 23 janvier 2010 - 02:23 .


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Sorry, still laughing at the thread title.

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It is more rewarding if you live and save your whole squad with the chance you could all die.

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The point is to experience all that ME2 offers.



Seriously... I don't even understand this thread. Why would you aim for the death ending if you want to import into ME3?

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Fuzzyrabbit wrote...

Sorry, still laughing at the thread title.

lol, it is kind of amusing I guess..

GnusmasTHX wrote...

The point is to experience all that ME2 offers.

Seriously... I don't even understand this thread. Why would you aim for the death ending if you want to import into ME3?

Lol what's with people responding to things I've never said. I never said I was aiming for death, I was just asking that if you ended up dying, what's the point of it? What's the point of having added it in the game if in Mass Effect 3, it's irrelevant.? That was my question.

Modifié par vallix, 23 janvier 2010 - 02:26 .


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GnusmasTHX wrote...

EPIC THREAD TITLE.


Not as epic as the "Facials in ME2"  one... but still amusing.

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vallix wrote...

You don't? Let me explain.

I look at Mass Effect(and I'm sure others do a swell) as one epic story, even if it's a trilogy. When you look at Lord of the Rings, you think of the entire journey, not 3 individual stories. If I kill my Shepard off in Mass Effect 2, and when I boot up Mass Effect 3 and that can't carry over at all, it feels almost pointless to have died in the first place. Besides, I never said dying in ME2 would be less epic than dying in ME3.


Yes but Shepard doesn't know if he/she will survive this mission - that there will be a third act. Hell he/she already died once and pending on your background history they might've cut it close quite a few more times. Is thinking about fighting for something you believe in and potentially dying for it any less epic than thinking - "Well yeah it isn't the finale so dying in the sequel would be a real stepdown than if I finally beat the main guy in the next fight."

If you go the full RPG immersion route they don't know that - your characters I mean. Going into the Omega 4 relay they don't know if they're tackling the collectors alone or a full galactic fleet of reapers. Will it be any less epic? Maybe cinematically but canon-wise? Certainly not.

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vallix wrote...

Lol what's with people responding to things I've never said. I never said I was aiming for death, I was just asking that if you ended up dying, what's the point of it? What's the point of having added it in the game if in Mass Effect 3, it's irrelevant.? That was my question.


What's the point?  It's a wink to games of yesteryear.  It's essentially an event that leads to a "GAME OVER: YOU FAIL" screen.

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I feel that they only way you yourself will truly die in ME2 is if you don't take the time to actually gain enough loyalty from your squaddies.



If no one is loyal to you, how do you expect to survive?

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GnusmasTHX wrote...

EPIC THREAD TITLE.


lmao

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I admit on one of my playthroughs for laughs im just gonna go straight for the suicide mission when i get the SR2 with just Jacob and Miranda lol

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adam_grif wrote...

Christina Norman has said twice (once in interview, the other on the XFire playthrough) that you can't import a Shepard save file if Shepard dies. Ergo, you'll start ME3 with either a living Shepard save file, or you'll get a Canon shepard to play through it with.

Which is to say, Shepard can not actually die, because the game refuses to play without him being alive. Bioware overhype strikes again.


Meh, dunno if i consider it overhype... if your shepard dies you lose a good 20+ hours of gameplay, all the work, emotional decisions of that char etc.  that shepard still does die. 

It'd also be kind of hard to think of a way to carry over into ME3 with a dead shepard... though i would like to see the after effects of your sacrifice, and the universe without shep.