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[Vasyl]

While in the midst of making a character for a Role play on another site, a question entered my noggin. How often do female Qunari (the grey skinned horned ones) become Tal-Vashoth and why they leave the Qun? What are your thoughts?

[mikeymoonshine]

It's rare because only Male Qunari can joint the Military and the Military is the only group that openly deals with the outside world. Even the Ben-Hassrath spies and assassins would most likely be from other races for obvious reasons. 

 

Of course it's not impossible to escape and I assume women can reject the qun just as easily so I am sure some do exist. 

[Chibi Elemental]

there are many reasons for a lady Tal-Vashoth to exist, remember that in the qun there is no concept of love, well Kossith (or Qunari as they are commonly called) well its possible that two do fall in love and being persecuted for it decide to run off together, or perhaps a woman has a child that has magical talent, instead of seeing them hauled off to become serabas they take the child to lands where they can be free to be what they are such as Tivinter. There are many reasons for a Woman to wan to flee the Qun, and just as many as men, though it could be more difficult for them.

 

Also I am sure there are small communities of Kossith Vashoth over thadues just not many.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'm sure many female Qunari leave the Qun in similar numbers to male Qunari, but I think very few become Tal'Vashoth because most members of Tal'Vashoth are members of the Antaam who turned to violence and terrorism or mercenary work because it's the only thing they know how to do.

[Vasyl]

Jedi master of Orion I just want point out anyone who leaves the Qun is considered Tal-Vashoth.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Jedi master of Orion I just want point out anyone who leaves the Qun is considered Tal-Vashoth.

 

No they aren't. Anyone who leaves the Qun is a Vashoth. Brother Genetivi authored a codex entry that says otherwise. And World of Thedas says Tal'Vashoth is the name those who leave the Qun give themselves.

[Incantrix]

 No Jedi master. You are wrong. Tal Vashoth are those who abandon the Qun. Vashoth are those are those who didn't grow up with the Qun regardless. IE, our qunqisitor is Vashoth. Time to re-read up on terms buddy lol

[Vasyl]

Actually Incantrix he's correct

[Incantrix]

Actually Incantrix he's correct

That's not what this says http://dragonage.wik...iki/Tal-Vashoth

 

Vashoth meaning " grey". Untouched by the Qun.

[Vasyl]

... Tal-Vashoth means true grey ones
Vashoth means grey ones

[Incantrix]

... Tal-Vashoth means true grey ones
Vashoth means grey ones

I had to edit that. But my point still stands. It's in the readings. Vashoth are those who don't know of the Qun. Tal Vashoth can be any Qunari of any race who abandoned the Qun. That's why our inquisitor is Vashoth instead of Tal vashoth.

[Vasyl]

You should read the second paragraph under becoming Tal-Vashoth.

"When Qunari abandon the teachings of Qun they become known as Vashoth in the Qunari society and eventually they have to leave or risk re-education by the Ben-Hassrath. If they are caught afterwards, they will likely be re-educated just the same as the Qunari never waste resources and prefer using captured enemies to killing them. Violent ones unwilling to submit often become mercenaries or bandits; majority of them are those who were formerly soldiers, and do it because they have no other useful skill. Many of them never fight the Qunari but rather become mercenaries in other lands, such as Kadan-Fe in Ferelden. Some are beyond rehabilitation after years of living under the Qun, and are unable to live with other cultures, and thus resort to the lives of bandits. When they actively strike at the Qunari, they usually attack the most defenseless civilians they can find, because they lack numbers and organization that would make them a match for the antaam."

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I had to edit that. But my point still stands. It's in the readings. Vashoth are those who don't know of the Qun. Tal Vashoth can be any Qunari of any race who abandoned the Qun. That's why our inquisitor is Vashoth instead of Tal vashoth.

 

Did you read the link I posted? It's straight from the game and it says : "Those born into Qunari society who reject the Qun are called Vashoth, which means "gray ones".

[Incantrix]

Did you read the link I posted? It's straight from the game and it says : "Those born into Qunari society who reject the Qun are called Vashoth, which means "gray ones".

 

Then why exactly would we be getting this? 

 

"Qunari Inquisitor is a Vashoth, a Qunari who was never introduced to the Qun"

 

I believe the term "Vashoth" is probably a general term given. However, technically Vashoth are born without the Qun. Plus, if you go back and look at the actual dragon age 2 game. The term "Tal-Vashoth" is used quite often to describe the mercenary bands that broke off. 

 

You can also read the Codex Entry: http://dragonage.wik...ry:_Tal-Vashoth

 

Tl;dr :

 

Tal-Vashoth not only reject the Qun, but they also fight against. 

 

Our Iron bull will be "Tal-Vashoth". Typical mercenary of course.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That's from the wiki. Anyone can edit that. Mine is from a codex entry in Dragon Age 2. On the same page that you cited it actually agrees with me in an earlier paragraph.

[leaguer of one]

I have this whole idea drawn up in my head. 

 

My female qunari started out is a farming class with other female qunari but later was taken in to became a Ben-Hassrath because she had the head for it. Despite being the more intelligent out her Kadan there were others in her Kadan who was more skilled in fighting. Despite that spent her days  doing the dutes of a Ben-Hassrath in qunari land till one day she has a mission to deal with renagade Tal-Vashoth. It turned out they kidnapped woman of her Kadan. She with the help of others hunt down and kill the Tal-Vashoth and save the remainder of her Kadan. Despite Being saved, the renegade Tal-Vashoth still had their way with them and the event scared them for life. They are so paranoid now that they no long just want to be protected by the military, they want right to use weapons to defend themselves if they are attacked ageing. With the qun as it is with the woman's place is not to be fights, they request is declined. In stead of acepting it they make weapon in secret with out my female qunaris knowledge. One day another group of renegade Tal-Vashoth attack but this time the group were able to kill them off with the weapons they made. The Ben-Hassrath find out about it and have them arrested to be reeducated unknowingly to my female qunari. She later find out about the event, and later find out that her Kadan were so apposed to the reeducation that they were  all given qamek. In her sorrow, she killed what was left of her kadan to end their torment and flee from Qunari lands out of resentment to what they did to her kadan for just defending themselves. She work through Thadus as a mercenary using her abilities and skills of a Ben-Hassrath  and later her skill catches the eye of a Mother of the chantry. She is later hired as a body guard for her and to hunt qunari spies.

 

What do you think of the idea?

[Chibi Elemental]

really coming up with your own character background at this point is sort of foolish as your setting yourself up for disappointment, wait till we see the actual origins of our Qunquisitor.

[leaguer of one]

really coming up with your own character background at this point is sort of foolish as your setting yourself up for disappointment, wait till we see the actual origins of our Qunquisitor.

This is a topic on the concept of what if's with regard to the female qunari. I know full well that I think up my not happen and I'm fully prepared for that. I'm just answering a question about why a female qunari would leave the qun.

[Chibi Elemental]

I actually want to apologies for my last post, I am grumpy and it sort of showed with that post, and did not articulate myself properly. Leaguer of one I realized I was being "That guy" after posting it XD sorry.

[leaguer of one]

I actually want to apologies for my last post, I am grumpy and it sort of showed with that post, and did not articulate myself properly. Leaguer of one I realized I was being "That guy" after posting it XD sorry.

It's ok. People get like...Though I rather you tell me what you think of the idea for a female qunari background.

[Chibi Elemental]

The only one that I think is most likely going to happen in my opinion is if playing as a Qunari mage is that you are a member of one of the circles I doubt an apostate has much to gain from the peace conference as they are just trying to hide in general. Untill we get more information I am generally just waiting for Bioware to give me more information about the origins.

 

I treat all Bioware games of late more like a pnp game where the dm gives me a pre-generated character with a vaugue background and no alignment and then just go from there.

[mikeymoonshine]

I'm actually a little confused about the Vashoth vs Tal-Vashoth thing. 

 

We know that all Qunari who leave the Qun are known as Vashoth which translates as "grey one's". Those who specifically oppose the Qun call themselves Tal-Vashoth,  Tal meaning "true". 

 

Now some are saying the Qunquisitor is Vashoth because he/she was born outside the Qun and all qunari born outside the Qun are Vashoth. This is because some of the devs said the Inquisitor would be Tal-Vashoth and then were corrected by Mary who said he/she would be Vashoth. 

 

But Qunari is not a racial term and all born outside the Qun are bas so what makes Qunquizy different? Is Vashoth now a word for racial qunari born outside the Qun? That seems to contradict our earlier understanding of the word but we could have been wrong. 

 

I suppose the Qunquizy could be considered Vashoth simply because he/she is of the qunari race and so is to some extent connected to Qunari culture and would be viewed as someone who had left but I am not sure. 

[leaguer of one]

I'm actually a little confused about the Vashoth vs Tal-Vashoth thing. 

 

We know that all Qunari who leave the Qun are known as Vashoth which translates as "grey one's". Those who specifically oppose the Qun call themselves Tal-Vashoth,  Tal meaning "true". 

 

Now some are saying the Qunquisitor is Vashoth because he/she was born outside the Qun and all qunari born outside the Qun are Vashoth. This is because some of the devs said the Inquisitor would be Tal-Vashoth and then were corrected by Mary who said he/she would be Vashoth. 

 

But Qunari is not a racial term and all born outside the Qun are bas so what makes Qunquizy different? Is Vashoth now a word for racial qunari born outside the Qun? That seems to contradict our earlier understanding of the word but we could have been wrong. 

 

I suppose the Qunquizy could be considered Vashoth simply because he/she is of the qunari race and so is to some extent connected to Qunari culture and would be viewed as someone who had left but I am not sure. 

Think of the qunari as a race and religion, like the Jewish. With Vashoth we are just taking their words and twisting it into a definition to something it not and a form of Identify to a race with no clear direct name.

[Chibi Elemental]

if we want to be 100% correct at the moment and don't want to mince words the best way to say not qunari but rather we are getting the chance to play a Kossith who either left the qun for their own reasons or was born outside the qun we are not sure what or who we are going to play for 100% certain (Kossith being what the qunari called their race before the founding of the Qun.)

[mikeymoonshine]

Think of the qunari as a race and religion, like the Jewish. With Vashoth we are just taking their words and twisting it into a definition to something it not and a form of Identify to a race with no clear direct name.

 

Yeah I agree it's like the whole Kossith thing. It's just the fact that the devs said the Qunquizitor would be Tal-Vashoth/Vashoth that caused confusion because it made people think Vashoth must mean Qunari born outside the Qun (which isn't what we previously thought). 

 

It doesn't matter anyway because you will be viewed as Qunari ingame and may well know nothing about Qunari culture or what they would or wouldn't call you.