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[JasonShepard]

Standard ambush techniques. The Citadel trap is more of a coup d'etat than a necessary part of their plan. They can take out the entire galaxy's government, and isolate every single mass relay, with a single strike. Imagine how much more difficult ME3 would have been if we couldn't use Mass Relays... (Although the Normandy's IFF might have gotten us through them - in fact, that might explain how we can still use Mass Relays when they did take the Citadel...)

 

In any case, flying to the Milky Way seems to have taken them 3 years, and they had to fight through us, rather than cutting the heart out of galactic civilisation with their first blow.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Ninja

 

The Citadel was designed as a trap, to appear the perfect place for the most powerful species of a cycle to base their central government,  it also functioned as the reapers back door to the galaxy, so they would arrive there, destroy the central government and then help themselves to all records about the settled galaxy to make their job easier. I presume the place the citadel was located in the relay system meant anyone exploring the network would eventually end up there, in a kind of all roads lead to rome deal.

 

Dark space is not another dimension, its just an area outside the milky way. Stopping Saren delayed the reapers, but only by about 3 years in the end, so it suggests they were not that far away to start with.

 

The human reaper is a weird leftover from the dark energy plot.

 

The Geth Qurian war happened, becuase, well why does any war happen? Though one unproven theory is the reapers could have indirectly given Xen the tech she used to try and defeat the Geth, which drove them into aiding the reapers. Which would have been a masterful move if true. Though the Quarians were always spoiling for a fight with the Geth.

[Orikon]

Geez,OP....

 

Alright,I'll try to help out.

1. How is it that the Reapers are able to come from dark space without the citadel opening dark space for them to come out of it?

First of all,Citadel doesn't open the dark space. It simply acts as a relay for the Reapers. They still can reach the milky way by conventional travel (FTL and stuff),however they need much longer to actually get here,which is evident by the 6-7 months time skip from the Arrival to Mass Effect 3.

 

2. Also,why did the Reapers create the Citadel? What was the purpose in that?

To speed the development of other civilizations and to allow them to quickly come into the galaxy when its time to start the harvest,thus killing the cycle's leaders and taking over the center of galactic power. That's how Protheans fell.

 

3. Also if the Reapers never needed the Citadel to come into the milkyway galaxy then what was the point in ME1 dealing with sovereign and saren?

See above.

 

4. Another thing why was it that the Reapers or indoctrinated servants of the reapers tried creating a human reaper?

Unfinished plot by Bioware. We never knew why,but we suppose that (since the Reapers create a new Reaper every cycle) they wanted to create a human reaper due to....as I said,unfinished plot. 

 

5. They created all other reapers the same as harbringer so why change it up?

Eh..what? 

All Reapers have a core which is unique depending on the harvested species (like the human reaper core),however,only the outer shell (armor) is created in harbringer's image. Or the Leviathans image.

 

6. Also why didn't they create a different kind of reaper for each cycle?

Apparently they did,which is obvious in Mass Effect 2's ending,however Bioware decided to copy-paste all Reapers probably due to budget and time restraints.

 

7. What was the point of the whole war between the geth and thw quarians? It doesn't make sense to me period.

Have you played the previous titles? 

 

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As BigglesFlysAgain said,yes,the human reaper is a left-over from the original ME plot. Apparently the Reapers were looking for a perfect species that is genetically most diverse and has most potential for biotic use to stop the spread of Dark Matter that would eventually consume the whole galaxy (or something like that). Due to Humans being most genetically diverse,they were chosen for this cycle.

[ArabianIGoggles]

The Citadel is basically a giant trap.  It is also a giant mass relay that links to some unknown location in darkspace.  The reapers are out on the far side of the citadel relay in hibernation mode to conserve energy and whatnot.  Soverign is left behind to take a gander every now and then to judge whether or not the current cycle has developed far enough to be harvested.  Once soverign decides it is time, some type of signal is sent to the citadel to let the rest of the reapers know it's game time.  The keepers are the caretakers of the citadel and are required to activate the relay portion.  The protheans somehow screwed this up by jacking with the signal that the keepers receive or by altering the keepers from even acknowledging this signal.  So they just go about their business as usual.

 

The rest of the reapers can still get back to the galaxy, but they have to travel instead of using the mass relay.  Takes them something like 3 years to travel from their darkspace hangout to the Milky Way.  

 

Making that human reaper was pretty stupid IMO.  EDI speculates that each cycle makes a reaper look like their own species, then the shell or whatever you want to call it is put over to make it have the reaper look.  That is never really proved and I just think some writer dropped the ball there.  

 

Geth and Quarians went to war once the Quarians realized the Geth had become self aware.  I want to say it started when one of the geth units asked if it had a soul.  But the Quarians tried to remove all Geth and they wanted to live.  Pretty much the Quarians wanted to turn the Geth off, and they didn't want that.

[Sentinel Defender]

1. I believe that in the codex it says the Reapers just used the ftl drives to enter the galaxy. The reapers don't have to worry about supplies fuel etc and can travel at a constant rate. 

 

2.The Citadel was mean't to be a trap to wipe out the central government and gain their information because apparently making a derelict space station the seat of government was a good idea to all of the cycles apparently . 

 

3. All reapers were mean't to represent the race it was created from. At least that is from what i can gather from the concept art for the human reaper. They then put a protective shell around it. 

 

4. The Geth Quarian conflict was just an excuse for us to shoot more Geth and have people pick between the two races. 

[Mordokai]

@Orikon #7 yes I have but it still doesn't make sense as to why the quarians would go to war with the geth over a simple question.

 

Organic minds are ruled by emotions, rather than logic. Fear is a powerful emotion. Or, as H.P. Lovecraft put it...

 

“The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.”

[Orikon]

@Orikon #7 yes I have but it still doesn't make sense as to why the quarians would go to war with the geth over a simple question.

Because they thought the Geth became too self-aware. The Geth only turned on the Quarians because the Quarians wanted to shut them all down. Due to self-defense and the wish to save their nation,the Geth started fighting the Quarians. Simple as that.

 

And the Quarians have been holding a grudge against the Geth up until Rannoch,where the outcome depends on your choices.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

@Orikon #7 yes I have but it still doesn't make sense as to why the quarians would go to war with the geth over a simple question.

 

They didn't, they went to war after the Geth started putting up armed resistance to being turned off. They turned them off over widespread and sudden sentience from many Geth units, some of which would have been demonstrated by asking that very question.

[Sentinel Defender]

@Orikon #7 yes I have but it still doesn't make sense as to why the quarians would go to war with the geth over a simple question.

 

The Geth were showing sentience. The Quarians feared that they would start a rebellion and making an artificial intelligence was against council law.

[JasonShepard]

Re The Human Reaper:

The Collectors seem to have been getting an early start on the Reaping. There's no way that they'd have been able to take Earth by themselves, and since the Reapers were already on their way...

It is human shaped, but the art book for ME2 suggests that the human shaped bit would have been at the heart of a standard shaped Reaper Shell. So that's why, in its tiny form, it doesn't look like a Reaper.

 

Re The Geth-Quarian War:

The Quarians realised that they'd accidentally created a race of AI that was in their homes, across their world. They felt vulnerable and panicked, especially since the whole thing was illegal by Council Law (which already forbade AI). Thus - an attempt to wipe out the Geth before they achieved full sentience. Unfortunately, they were a bit late for that...

 

 

1. What is the point in the Reapers killing civilizations every 50,000 years to prevent synthetics from killing organics, the same organics who created the same synthetics to destroy them? In other words why is genocide or the extermination of civilization every 50,000 years for god knows why the solution to prevent genocide?

 

The Reapers don't view Reaping as genocide. As far as they're concerned, the races are still 'alive' in Reaper form. The fact that all free will is lost, and everything that made that civilisation what it was is gone... just doesn't matter to them. So in their eyes, they ARE preventing genocide by just changing how we live. You and I view being turned into a Reaper as equivalent to death. They don't. Also, they don't reap all life in the galaxy, so even in that respect it isn't full genocide.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

1)

 

See mass effect 3 ending controversy, and the thread "So we can't get the ending we want after all" read all 4k pages and tell me there is a good answer.

 

Note there is an ingame explanation, but I don't think its good enough to satisfy you

 

2) The Geth Quarian war is a very controversial subject here, but for arguments sake, assume everything happened for the sake of the plot and the lore and to develop the backstory of the game.

[JasonShepard]

WTAH? That one's new on me...

[AlexMBrennan]

A thought just occurred to me. You know how they needed the keepers then later the geth and saren to open the citadel arms to open dark space to let all the reapers in the galaxy. How is it that the Reapers are able to come from dark space without the citadel opening dark space for them to come out of

Dude, use your brain: The Reapers built the mass relays, therefore they must necessarily have the means to cover these distances without using mass relays. However, much like you will take a car rather than walk 100 miles even though theoretically you would be able to, the Reapers prefer to use the shortcut.

[AlanC9]

1. What is the point in the Reapers killing civilizations every 50,000 years to prevent synthetics from killing organics, the same organics who created the same synthetics to destroy them? In other words why is genocide or the extermination of civilization every 50,000 years for god knows why the solution to prevent genocide?
 

The problem isn't really genocide per se, the problem is that a synthetic victory would be final. No organic civilization would ever rise again. Assuming the Catalyst's right about stuff, obviously.

[DoomsdayDevice]

The human Reaper isn't an unfinished plot. Every cycle, the Reapers take the "strongest" race's genetic material and build it into a new Reaper. In ME2, Harbinger makes it pretty clear that they deem humans to have the most potential. Even in ME3 it is explained that every harvest ends with the birth of a new Reaper.

 

The only thing they apparently changed their minds about (or were forced to change due to limitations of whatever nature, time/budget) is the appearance of the Reapers. In ME2 they had several different designs for Reapers, in ME3 they're all Sovereigns/Harbingers.

 

Also, I still think the current harvest ends with the birth of a new Reaper if Shepard picks synthesis.

 

"Shepard, you do not yet comprehend your place in things."

 

"We are your genetic destiny."

 

"Embrace perfection."

 

"They will be as we are."

 

Etcetera x 100

[ZerebusPrime]

Nah, what we were fighting in ME3 were just a bunch of drones.  A scout force.  The real fleet ran out of gas half way out of dark space.  

[ImaginaryMatter]

The question I always wondered is why the Catalyst put the harvested species inside a Reaper that was on the front lines and could be destroyed, instead of keeping it safe in dark space.

[fhs33721]

I feel like nothing I asked is getting answered an everything posted is something I already know.

 

1. What is the point in the Reapers killing civilizations every 50,000 years to prevent synthetics from killing organics, the same organics who created the same synthetics to destroy them? In other words why is genocide or the extermination of civilization every 50,000 years for god knows why the solution to prevent genocide?

 

2. Why go to war with the geth over a simple fricken question? The quarians created the geth for a utilitarian purpose and when it questions its own self the quarains find it just to kill them all versus idk something else? Im just gonna assume that no one put an off-switch on synthetic life and that no one took an ethics class dealing with the moral grounds on synthetics.

Yes, all your original questions were answered you just:

1. asked a totally new question that as well has an explantion in game (the reason isn't very good, but it is there)

2. repeated a question multiple persons answered already. Also I doubt for that there would be a general off switch for all the multiple working platorms that were sold individually to quarian civilians. And there was an actual law saying: "Don't create any AI". So the quarian government were total douchebags about it and tried to cover their ****-up up by trying to kill the newly created AI.

 

"Yo Dawg I Heard You Don't Wanna Be Killed By Synthetics"

"So I Made Some Synthetics To Kill You Every 50K Years, So You Won't Be Killed By Synthetics"

......can I have the option to not only shoot but throw the star child out of the airlock? Please. W.T.A.H. Bioware!

So your thread that asked for clarification about some plot point of the series was ultimatley just a clever setup to make another ending hate thread? Actually that was pretty smooth.

But seriously as dissapointing as the ending is the "Yo Dawg" is just untrue and misrepresents what the starbrat actually says.

Also you are already apperently outeside of the citaldel during the ending. I mean there is no ceiling or something. You could throw he starbrat indoors again through the airlock but not out. You are already out.

[JasonShepard]

The question I always wondered is why the Catalyst put the harvested species inside a Reaper that was on the front lines and could be destroyed, instead of keeping it safe in dark space.

 

It's entirely possible that they have DNA backups back in Dark Space. Maybe they just clone and rebuild any Reapers that get destroyed - that's good enough to satisfy the "Don't let species get wiped out" mandate, isn't it?

[mybudgee]

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