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[Mordokai]

What I find most interesting is how a lot of people are willing to blame and hate the entire race for a stupid decision of couple politicians.

[Excella Gionne]

The info was stored within a Prothean VI. The beacon can be used but the Prothean VI holds the knowledge of what the catalyst is what the crucible is. That part of the beacon is inaccessible.

About the Eden Prime beacon thing, it was 50/50 chance that it would have killed the person who was using it except for a Prothean.

[themikefest]

How do we know it was only a couple of politicians?

[SporkFu]

They didn't know the citadel was the catalyst because Vendetta wasn't programmed to reveal that until the crucible was built, or at least being built. As for the rest, well, they couldn't crack every secret in the archive. They may not have been able to unlock anything about the reapers or even understand what they unlocked. Shep couldn't make any sense of his visions until he learned the cipher from Shiala. And even then he never figured out where Ilos was. Liara had to do that for him. 

 

And, the beacon on Eden Prime was first activated by Saren, who did a dumb thing and left it active. How he knew how to activate it is never explained, but since he used the one on Virmire to talk to Sovereign, it's likely Sovereign showed him how. 

 

Come to think of it, Saren left that beacon active too. I bet he leaves the toilet seat up. 

[Zazzerka]

@Excella Gionne How is that part of the beacon inaccessible? All shepard had to do was ask an he received so why couldn't the asari do the same?

 

You remember that whole plot point with the cipher, yeah?

[themikefest]

 

@SporkFu where in the game does it say vendetta wasn't programmed to reveal information regarding the crucible until the crucible was built or at least being built?

Just before you fight Kai Leng on Chronos

[shodiswe]

The Asari hadn't managed to acquire full access to the data or activate the VI.

They had been able to hack into some of the data though.

Likely they knew nothing of the Reapers, or didn't take it seriously.

[SporkFu]

Just before you fight Kai Leng on Chronos

Thank you. I've been looking for it on youtube.

... at the 18:22 mark approximately. 

 

Vendetta says, "It was feared that if the reapers were aware of the catalyst's intended use, they would retake control of it. I am programmed to withhold that information until the crucible is complete." 

[Mordokai]

How do we know it was only a couple of politicians?

 

Considering Tevos didn't knew until it was too late...

 

@ Mordokai hmmm I wonder why people like myself dislike the asari....hmmmm.

 

I have no idea. I don't pretend to understand what you're thinking.

[SporkFu]

@themikefest no it doesn't. Just finished watching the scene on youtube.

@Sporkfu that doesn't make sense. In order for the crucible to be complete it would need the catalyst so withholding information about what the catalyst is prevents the crucible from being completed. Not to mention what was the point of withholding the information if the indoctrinated like TIM can hack an gain access to it. Its almost as if Vendetta wanted us to fail.

The physical construction of the crucible can be completed without any knowledge of the catalyst. It just won't function until it docks with the catalyst. Completion does not equal use. As for the rest, well you said it yourself: TIM hacked Vendetta's security features. I'm sure that wasn't part of Vendetta's purpose.

 

It's interesting in a way, because back in ME1, when talking to Vigil, he mentions how the protheans' plans never had a contingency for an indoctrinated agent finding out what they were up to on Ilos; their only intent was to stop the reapers from finding out. That's why Vigil was almost desperate that Saren be stopped. 

[SporkFu]

@themikefest no it doesn't. Just finished watching the scene on youtube.

@Sporkfu that doesn't make sense. In order for the crucible to be complete it would need the catalyst so withholding information about what the catalyst is prevents the crucible from being completed. Not to mention what was the point of withholding the information if the indoctrinated like TIM can hack an gain access to it. Its almost as if Vendetta wanted us to fail. Not to mention how would the VI know the crucible is completed? Anyone could of lied an said it was. Whose to say the crucible been completed eons ago an all were doing is adding more unnecessary plating an all that was needed was the citadel n boom...no more reapers an everybody lives, happy ending, roll credits.

Well ... the catalyst tells shep that he was the first organic ever to reach the point of being able to use the crucible.

[SporkFu]

@Sporkfu Still doesn't answer how the Vendetta would of known if the crucible is completed? An if the Protheans never had a contingency for indoctrinated agents then why withhold information about the crucible especially when a vi such as vendetta can be hacked? Hell if the Protheans were so smart why didn't they realize the possibility of their vi getting hacked?

Erm, the quote is right up there, five posts up: Vendetta says, "It was feared that if the reapers were aware of the catalyst's intended use, they would retake control of it. I am programmed to withhold that information until the crucible is complete." 

 

The protheans weren't infallible. Our cycle was damn lucky they did as much as they did to help future cycles. They did the best they could, and from a much worse starting point than our cycle was in. Give 'em a break. 

[Farangbaa]

@SporkFu where in the game does it say vendetta wasn't programmed to reveal information regarding the crucible until the crucible was built or at least being built?

 

Sometimes I wonder if you've even played the games

[Steelcan]

Nothing that Tevos or Irissa says indicated that they were unaware of the beacon's existence. All she mentions is that she got a transmission, for all we know that transmission was "Hey, you know that top secret beacon? Tell Shepard about it, it may be useful". Furthermore she quickly defends the asari government's actions, she doesn't act like she was kept in the dark. And by her own admission she says that the beacon was known only to the highest positions in her government, The Citadel Councilor, while a seperate branch than the actual government, is still an extremely high ranking position in the galaxy at large.

[CptFalconPunch]

Why is it that the Asari didn't do something about the Reaper threat if they knew about it this whole entire trilogy? I mean they had the Prothean Beacon holding Vendetta that told our shepard an the illusive man exactly what the catalyst is. The war would of been over sooner if the Asari would of either told us about the beacon or told us what the catalyst was an lied about knowing how they know what the catalyst is. We spent three games warning the council about the reapers and the damn Asari already knew about them. Really!?! WTF! An don't tell me they didn't know how to activate the prothean beacon because we didn't know how to either. If I recall back on eden primes beacon getting close to the beacon would of sucked you up close an given you visions. Heck, what if our shepard didn't toss kaiden or Ashley out of the way an they received the visions but died on Virmire, would anyone be able to activate the beacon on thessia?

Ease up on the space-bar/A/X when going through dialogue. Cause from what I've seen, you have no idea what is going on.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Only one race prepared for the Reapers, and that's the Salarians. Which, while horrible writing, it just how it is. 

The Asari didn't think they were real, so how could they do something sooner? 

Why Vendetta withheld viable information about the Catalyst? His, (The Protheans'). The Protheans didn't want the Reapers to know what the Catalyst was. 

[CptFalconPunch]

@CptFalconPunch that's why I'm trying to make sense of the whole asari not doing something about the reaper threat sooner an why vendetta withholding viable information about the catalyst mote.

The asari don't seem to know anything about the reapers. They don't have the technology or the minds to access the prothean data, its like finding a computer without knowing how to turn it on.

They still learned from it and it gave their people an advantage.

The reason why the beacon was opened for shepard was because of the prothean cipher he received on feros in ME1. Saren has that cipher aswell. Noone else in the mass effect universe does, besides shiala i guess.

The beacon on eden prime was accessible because it was activated. Even Ashley comments on this "It wasn't doing anything like that when they dug it up, someone must have activated it"

Same for the beacon on virmire.

 

All right that should explain it well enough, i also posted on your last thread about reaper nonsense if you want to take a look.

[DeinonSlayer]

Only one race prepared for the Reapers, and that's the Salarians. Which, while horrible writing, it just how it is.
The Asari didn't think they were real, so how could they do something sooner?
Why Vendetta withheld viable information about the Catalyst? His, (The Protheans'). The Protheans didn't want the Reapers to know what the Catalyst was.

Actually, Wrex's Krogan, Cerberus, the Migrant Fleet, the Geth Collective, and the Rachni (or so she claims) made preparations as well.