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[Steelcan]

Only one race prepared for the Reapers, and that's the Salarians. Which, while horrible writing, it just how it is. 
The Asari didn't think they were real, so how could they do something sooner? 
Why Vendetta withheld viable information about the Catalyst? His, (The Protheans'). The Protheans didn't want the Reapers to know what the Catalyst was.

the krogan and Turians did as well, to a certain extent, and humanity was apparently also, but locked Shepard up, go figure

[CptFalconPunch]

@CptFalconPunch okay you bring up good points. However, wouldnt it have made collecting war assets an trying to get support an help in ME3 pointless had the asari revealed to everyone the prothean beacon on thessia in ME1? I mean if we had known about the prothean beacon on thessia sooner we could of spent so much time preparing for the reapers making me2 & me3 pointless. Heck, if you saved the council from sovereign that should of been enough evidence to tell the asari that the reaper threat is something that must be dealt with immediately an how they should tell everyone about the beacon so they can prepare for the reapers in me3 versus waiting til the last minute causing planets an millions of lives to be lost.

That is where Mass effect 2 comes in, and when it does it destroyed everything plot wise. For some weird reason, even after acknowledging the reapers at the end of ME1, the council in ME2 decides not to. Ergo, they have no reason to show off their ultra high secret. The only do once they feel really threatened. (ME3)

Also be aware, not every piece of prothean software contains information about the reapers. Some do. 

Asari didn't even believe the existence of reapers, much more their connection to the protheans. 

[Steelcan]

Forgot about the Rachni, and Cerberus doesn't really count

[DeinonSlayer]

Forgot about the Rachni, and Cerberus doesn't really count

Have I ever mentioned I hate the direction ME3 took with Cerberus?

[CptFalconPunch]

Have I ever mentioned I hate the direction ME3 took with Cerberus?

You didn't hate their direction in ME2?

[CptFalconPunch]

@CptFalconPunch Didn't the council feel threatened in ME1 when they requested help from the alliance during the fight with sovereign an the geth?

They believed it was only saren and the geth, not reapers.

[DeinonSlayer]

That is where Mass effect 2 comes in, and when it does it destroyed everything plot wise. For some weird reason, even after acknowledging the reapers at the end of ME1, the council in ME2 decides not to. Ergo, they have no reason to show off their ultra high secret. The only do once they feel really threatened. (ME3)
Also be aware, not every piece of prothean software contains information about the reapers. Some do. 
Asari didn't even believe the existence of reapers, much more their connection to the protheans.

One of the artifacts we're sent halfway across the galaxy to pick up is a statue whose only value is as a translation aid due to some Prothean writing on its base. We're scouring the galaxy for potsherds - anything which can help the Crucible effort - and the law against hoarding Prothean artifacts which the Asari themselves implemented is still in effect. Don't try to tell me an intact Prothean beacon wasn't worth looking at.

[Barquiel]

It isn't really overly complicated. The beacon on Thessia belonged to a prothean scientist and was locked. The Asari got a head start compared to other races in our cycle...before they built a statue around the beacon.

ME2/3...Liara discovers a promising lead in the form of encryption keys on Kahje to unlock other ("older") Prothean archives. We learn that the protheans stored the crucible blueprints in three of their archives: Mars, and two unkown sites that were destroyed. Hackett says the plans are easy to understand once encrypted with Liara's keys, but the information about the catalyst is missing. Why the best scientists in our cycle couldn't figure out that we have to dock the crucible with the citadel....I don't know.

Reaper war...the matriarchs on Thessia inform the councilor of the beacons existence, and she immediately contacts Shepard. Shep travels to Thessia and the VI makes itself known to Shepard because of the cipher (or Javik's presence). But the crucible isn't completed yet...therefore it doesn't say anything about the catalyst. We finish the crucible by the time Shepards attacks the Cronos Station, and vendetta tells us that the "citadel is the catalyst". This is all laid out in dialog, and requires no headcanon.
 

@CptFalconPunch Didn't the council feel threatened in ME1 when they requested help from the alliance during the fight with sovereign an the geth?

They did. That's why the salarians built stealth dreadnoughts. The asari upgraded their ships. The turians developed the Thannix cannons and were already bolstering their crew complements in ME2. It simply wasn't enough to defeat the reapers conventionally.

[themikefest]

The Asari knew about the artifact when the law was put in place to turn over or bring to the attention of the Council any Prothean ruins or artifacts. Had the Asari let the other species know about the artifact on Thessia at that time, its possible or at least a slim chance the reapers could've been dealt with long before humanity showed up.

 

The Asari only cared about themselves and wanted to remain number 1 in the galaxy. They never cared about the other species.

 

And as Javik says to T'soni

The answer is obvious. Power and influence. Your people are hoarding the knowledge of my own race for their own gain

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Only one race prepared for the Reapers, and that's the Salarians. Which, while horrible writing, it just how it is. 

The Asari didn't think they were real, so how could they do something sooner? 

Why Vendetta withheld viable information about the Catalyst? His, (The Protheans'). The Protheans didn't want the Reapers to know what the Catalyst was. 

 

I doubt that when the Salarians dont really give Shepard much of anything, and keep most of what they have for their own defense. The only reason they didnt get the worst of the abuse from the invasion is because they were outright ignored.

[CptFalconPunch]

In other words no matter what I try to come up with they will always deny the existence of the reapers until they are destroying their home worlds. They couldn't at least consider the possibility of reaper threat an reveal to everyone about the hidden beacon considering how the asari came up from the beacons?

That is the story. Unfortunately we can never have full control on the story, even in videogames. Yet.

They do in Mass effect 3. Once the reapers attacked, the asari councilor informes you that they are hiding a prothean artifact. (priority: Thessia)

 

One of the artifacts we're sent halfway across the galaxy to pick up is a statue whose only value is as a translation aid due to some Prothean writing on its base. We're scouring the galaxy for potsherds - anything which can help the Crucible effort - and the law against hoarding Prothean artifacts which the Asari themselves implemented is still in effect. Don't try to tell me an intact Prothean beacon wasn't worth looking at.

You're out of context. They didn't think it was worth looking at in ME1 and ME2 because they denied the existence of reapers.

They did reveal it in ME3. The asari councilor did.

[DeinonSlayer]

You're out of context. They didn't think it was worth looking at in ME1 and ME2 because they denied the existence of reapers.
They did reveal it in ME3. The asari councilor did.

Months into the war, yes.

[Steelcan]

It still baffles me why people think that the councillor wasn't aware of the beacon. She admits tgat high ranking asari know about it, she is high ranking, defends its concealment, and never makes any indication that she was unaware of its existence.

All she says about the beacon is that she got a transmission, with unknown content. How that implies she was unaware of the beacon is beyond me.

[Steelcan]

And we only looked at the one beacon inconveniently placed inside a statue, when Shepard was hanging over the edge we see a lot more beacons.

Who knows what's in those.

[CptFalconPunch]

Months into the war, yes.

You mean that the asari councilor reveals the prothean artifact in thessia months after the reaper invasion on earth? I know ME timelines is kind of screwy but i think it was only days. What are you on about?

 

@CptFalconPunch They couldn't reveal this information sooner? Im startin to realize that Harper was right about everything. Why he was made out to be a villain in ME3 is stupid. If anyone should be made out as villians its the asari. Harper was the hero in all this. Heck, what if the asari were indoctrinated which led to them denying the existence of the reapers an withholding viable information about the prothean beacon from the gecko.

Ok I'm sensing some bias for TIM (the illusive man) here as well as the asari.

The revealed this information pretty soon man. Timeline in the mass effect games is werid, because they are games. But from what I can gather the asari councilor revealed this info days into the war, so its pretty soon. 

No, harper was pretty much an idiot from ME2. Anyone who plays with fire gets burned anyway. He wanted ALL the reaper techs

[DeinonSlayer]

You mean that the asari councilor reveals the prothean artifact in thessia months after the reaper invasion on earth? I know ME timelines is kind of screwy but i think it was only days. What are you on about?

We've been at it for a long time by the time they fess up.

We meet the Quarians 17 days after Earth gets hit (presuming they launched their attack the same day, it may have been longer - the "Quarian fleet intel" item on the Spectre terminal established they didn't attack until the Reapers were already here).

Timeline is a bit screwy, though, because that C-sec guy says his family donated their vacation funds to charity when Earth got hit, only for Palaven to get hit next. Not sure how much time was supposed to take place between Earth and Palaven.

[Steelcan]

Seriously, why wasn't the asari the indoctrinated agents trying to prevent the creation of the crucible instead of Cerberus? Everything hints to them aiding the reapers.

For the record, I Steelcan, did not go this far in Asari hate

[themikefest]

Seriously, why wasn't the asari the indoctrinated agents trying to prevent the creation of the crucible instead of Cerberus? Everything hints to them aiding the reapers.

I consider the Asari as the third enemy in ME3

 

And we only looked at the one beacon inconveniently placed inside a statue, when Shepard was hanging over the edge we see a lot more beacons.

Who knows what's in those.

Indeed.

[Farangbaa]

An people wonder why the Asari are despised or hated.

 

Like humanity would've done anything different.

 

Yes, the Asari should've told about the beacon earlier. But if humanity had been in the same position, I doubt it would've been anything different.

[CptFalconPunch]

We've been at it for a long time by the time they fess up.

We meet the Quarians 17 days after Earth gets hit (presuming they launched their attack the same day, it may have been longer - the "Quarian fleet intel" item on the Spectre terminal established they didn't attack until the Reapers were already here).

Timeline is a bit screwy, though, because that C-sec guy says his family donated their vacation funds to charity when Earth got hit, only for Palaven to get hit next. Not sure how much time was supposed to take place between Earth and Palaven.

And even if they did bring it sooner, it wouldn't really make a difference anyway. Cerberus would have been there and have stolen the info then. Really nothing would change in the story.

Shepard meets the kid, A B C end. I don't even know why there is so much nitpicking.

 

 

The asari, the krogan, the salarians, the turians all acted very realistically. They were panicking, have clouded judgement and are filled with emotions and ego.

SCI-FI is one of the best ways to make parodies of todays goverment and status of society. Mass effect is pretty darn spot on. That is why its so successful.