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#51
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And we only looked at the one beacon inconveniently placed inside a statue, when Shepard was hanging over the edge we see a lot more beacons.

Who knows what's in those.

 

I think that is the same computer unit and not multiples. The one on Mars was incredibly large and I dont think we saw all of it there.



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@CptFalconPunch I said Jack Harper not TIM.

@Psychevore uhh Humanity would of ended the war sooner or as shepard puts it "When you need a probem shot, ask a turian. When you need a problem talked to death, ask an asari. When you need a new problem, ask a salarian. When you want a problem fixed, ask a human."



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@CptFalconPunch I said Jack Harper not TIM.

 

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One of the artifacts we're sent halfway across the galaxy to pick up is a statue whose only value is as a translation aid due to some Prothean writing on its base. We're scouring the galaxy for potsherds - anything which can help the Crucible effort - and the law against hoarding Prothean artifacts which the Asari themselves implemented is still in effect. Don't try to tell me an intact Prothean beacon wasn't worth looking at.

 

Plus, the beacon on Thessia is like the largest Prothean beacon in the history of all Prothean beacons, it looks like it reaches down all the way in that chasm. Yep, no way that thing would have been of any use.

 

The question I always wondered is why Vendetta (or any Prothean beacon) wasn't programmed to simply wait out until the Reapers left and then tell the Asari all about the Crucible so they could built it before the Reapers came.



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@Mordokai "Asari, reliance upon alien species for reproduction shows genetic weakness."



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Plus, the beacon on Thessia is like the largest Prothean beacon in the history of all Prothean beacons, it looks like it reaches down all the way in that chasm. Yep, no way that thing would have been of any use.
 
The question I always wondered is why Vendetta (or any Prothean beacon) wasn't programmed to simply wait out until the Reapers left and then tell the Asari all about the Crucible so they could built it before the Reapers came.


We don't really have a problem building the crucible itself.

 

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Our only problem is that we don't know what the catalyst is (or does), and revealing the beacon earlier wouldn't have helped here.

 

We're told that the species in our cycle couldn't activate prothean beacons, as we were not evolved to the same mental capability of them. I guess the protheans assumed the asari would evolve it, or that some protheans would emerge from stasis to activate it.
 



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@Mordokai "Asari, reliance upon alien species for reproduction shows genetic weakness."

 

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And at least I know TIM and Jack Harper are actually the same person :)



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@Mordokai They are not the same person. Just like Cerberus is not Cerberus. This comprehension is something you lack. An by you posting that photo proves "..this hurts you.."



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@Mordokai They are not the same person. Just like Cerberus is not Cerberus. This comprehension is something you lack. An by you posting that photo proves "..this hurts you.."

 

You're right... it does.

 

So here, have an asari.

 

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@Mordokai I never really found the asari attractive but now after showing me this picture.....you win this round.



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We don't really have a problem building the crucible itself.

 

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Our only problem is that we don't know what the catalyst is (or does), and revealing the beacon earlier wouldn't have helped here.

 

We're told that the species in our cycle couldn't activate prothean beacons, as we were not evolved to the same mental capability of them. I guess the protheans assumed the asari would evolve it, or that some protheans would emerge from stasis to activate it.
 

 

Except Prothean VIs can communicate without the whole mind meld thing. How hard would it be to program the VI to wait until the Reapers left, then tell the Asari (or anyone, why just not put a VI in all beacons for that purpose?) all about them and the Crucible when they were ready to build it. It seems like it would have saved everyone a lot of time and insure that the device was actually constructed and usable, and beyond Reaper sabotage.

 

As Denion said earlier, everyone in the galaxy is looking for anything Prothean related, no matter how small, damaged, or insignificant. The Asari are sitting on like the biggest Prothean relic in the history of forever, no way it could have possibly held anything of use with or without Vendetta.



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Javik says about the Asari on Thessia

 

Your species was deemed to have potential. A pity you didn't live up to it


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Except Prothean VIs can communicate without the whole mind meld thing. How hard would it be to program the VI to wait until the Reapers left, then tell the Asari (or anyone, why just not put a VI in all beacons for that purpose?) all about them and the Crucible when they were ready to build it. It seems like it would have saved everyone a lot of time and insure that the device was actually constructed and usable, and beyond Reaper sabotage.

 

As Denion said earlier, everyone in the galaxy is looking for anything Prothean related, no matter how small, damaged, or insignificant. The Asari are sitting on like the biggest Prothean relic in the history of forever, no way it could have possibly held anything of use with or without Vendetta.

 

Bad writing, I guess. I never understood why the protheans (or any other race before) didn't build the the crucible before the reapers arrived either. The Catalyst says that the Crucible design/plans/blueprints first appeared several cycles ago and were passed down from cycle to cycle....but we're supposed to believe the crucible was never finished? I mean, the next cycle has no problems to understand Liara's message in the refuse ending, and they use the crucible before the reapers arrived.

Yes, but how would it help (and I doubt it's the biggest prothean relic in the galaxy)? We already have the plans the protheans used to build the crucible, we have no problems to understand them and our scientists/engineers know what to do. I guess our cycle changed/improved the crucible a bit (with the reaper heart/brain for example), but that's not prothean technology.



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Bad writing, I guess. I never understood why the protheans (or any other race before) didn't build the the crucible before the reapers arrived either. The Catalyst says that the Crucible design/plans/blueprints first appeared several cycles ago and were passed down from cycle to cycle....but we're supposed to believe the crucible was never finished? I mean, the next cycle has no problems to understand Liara's message in the refuse ending, and they use the crucible before the reapers arrived.

 

The trick is completing your Crucible without Reaper infiltrators figuring out that you've begun the project, I guess. In normal cycles the Reaper cycle can start whenever the Reapers feel like it



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I don't blame the entire race of the Asari for this, but their government concealed crucial Prothean technology and that's against council law and hindered the war effort. I hope the people responsible are properly put on trial for this.

I don't get why Asari fans keep spamming this weird fan art everywhere, it's pretty annoying.
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And even if they did bring it sooner, it wouldn't really make a difference anyway. Cerberus would have been there and have stolen the info then. Really nothing would change in the story.
Shepard meets the kid, A B C end. I don't even know why there is so much nitpicking.


The asari, the krogan, the salarians, the turians all acted very realistically. They were panicking, have clouded judgement and are filled with emotions and ego.
SCI-FI is one of the best ways to make parodies of todays goverment and status of society. Mass effect is pretty darn spot on. That is why its so successful.

"Wouldn't make a difference?" So you're saying Cerberus would have captured it at the Crucible? Right.

Had they shared it sooner, Cerberus would not have gotten hold of it. The only reason they did was because Thessia was already under attack - they wouldn't have been able to simply send a cruiser to a planet which was bracing for an invasion, march in there and take it. If Cerberus never got hold of it because it was relocated to aid the Crucible project, then the battle for Earth and all casualties incurred therein would never have happened - the Crucible would have been deployed while the Citadel was still located in the Serpent Nebula.

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Yes, but how would it help (and I doubt it's the biggest prothean relic in the galaxy)? We already have the plans the protheans used to build the crucible, we have no problems to understand them and our scientists/engineers know what to do. I guess our cycle changed/improved the crucible a bit (with the reaper heart/brain for example), but that's not prothean technology.

 

The important thing isn't that the beacon had or didn't have vital information, which it did. It was the fact that such a large Prothean device was kept hidden when the Crucible team was looking for anything for Prothean related -- no matter how small, damaged, or insignificant -- for political reasons. Look at that picture where, Shepard is hanging on for dear life, the beacon(s) are huge, much bigger than the ones we saw on Eden Prime or Mars. I find it doubtful that the Asari government never once thought that such a large beacon, which led to their dominance in the galactic hierarchy, could have any information that the Crucible team could use.



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Ah, another asari thread. I think this race has the highest proportion of senseless criticism. Not to say that they're perfect, of course, but it just seems like some people stare themselves blind on this race in particular and pick out the weirdest reasons for why they're the worst beings in the galaxy :?

 

Javik says about the Asari on Thessia

 

Your species was deemed to have potential. A pity you didn't live up to it

 

Harbinger says about humans on Horizon:

 

"You are bacteria."

 

Obviously everything a biased character says is true.


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For whatever it's worth, on my first playthrough I had a strong suspicion that the asari had known about the Reapers all along, and had already built a Crucible. This would, of course, have let the Reapers inflict a devastating defeat on us by destroying the Alliance Crucible -- Wing Commander 3 players will be familiar with jerking around the player this way.



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The Asari had to become dumb blue bimbos after ME1. That's what happened. Remember, in the Mass Effect Universe lore does not matter. The fact that they were the first to the stars, the fact that they have the largest economy in the galaxy, the fact that they have one of the most powerful militaries in the galaxy, the fact that they have the lowest crime rate, virtually no poverty, highest tech, doesn't matter. What matters is that it was necessary to the plot that they become stupid blue bimbos that everyone could be pissed at for withholding information, and that they couldn't figure out that the reapers existed. They went from a highly intelligent race in ME1 to dumb in ME3. Regardless of what the codex said about the fighting on the worlds, we are only shown them being totally incompetent and a bunch of pole dancers. 

 

I lay the Asari problem squarely at the feet of Mac Walters.

 

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The important thing isn't that the beacon had or didn't have vital information, which it did. It was the fact that such a large Prothean device was kept hidden when the Crucible team was looking for anything for Prothean related -- no matter how small, damaged, or insignificant -- for political reasons. Look at that picture where, Shepard is hanging on for dear life, the beacon(s) are huge, much bigger than the ones we saw on Eden Prime or Mars. I find it doubtful that the Asari government never once thought that such a large beacon, which led to their dominance in the galactic hierarchy, could have any information that the Crucible team could use.

 

The idea that these lights are hidden prothean beacons...I really don't get it. You don't see green glow every other beacon in the series has. And there are also lights of identical design on the walls above the floor...and nobody comments on them, or suggests to check them out (before or after Kai Leng steals Vendetta). And wouldn't it be kinda risky for the asari goverment to have prothean beacons in plain sight? I mean, they built a statue around the beacon we know about...



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The Asari had to become dumb blue bimbos after ME1. That's what happened. Remember, in the Mass Effect Universe lore does not matter. The fact that they were the first to the stars, the fact that they have the largest economy in the galaxy, the fact that they have one of the most powerful militaries in the galaxy, the fact that they have the lowest crime rate, virtually no poverty, highest tech, doesn't matter. What matters is that it was necessary to the plot that they become stupid blue bimbos that everyone could be pissed at for withholding information, and that they couldn't figure out that the reapers existed. They went from a highly intelligent race in ME1 to dumb in ME3. Regardless of what the codex said about the fighting on the worlds, we are only shown them being totally incompetent and a bunch of pole dancers. 

 

I lay the Asari problem squarely at the feet of Mac Walters.

 

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The guy's been accumulating a lot of blame...



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So you're saying Cerberus would have captured it at the Crucible? Right.

Had they shared it sooner, Cerberus would not have gotten hold of it. The only reason they did was because Thessia was already under attack - they wouldn't have been able to simply send a cruiser to a planet which was bracing for an invasion, march in there and take it. If Cerberus never got hold of it because it was relocated to aid the Crucible project, then the battle for Earth and all casualties incurred therein would never have happened - the Crucible would have been deployed while the Citadel was still located in the Serpent Nebula.

Ok you're just going on a imagination spree here. It is the way the guys wanted to tell the story. They wanted the illusive man to do this, end of story. If you want to construct your story go ahead.

 

As I said before, it is depicted very realistically, the asari didn't even believe the crucible would work, they weren't even considering it as an option, later they changed their minds. I don't know how you depict the perfect war would go in your opinion, its the chaos and the humanity that makes ME3 so good.

 

The asari aren't bad, its how every one is. Every species would have done the same. And did. There is no logic in war.



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Ah, another asari thread. I think this race has the highest proportion of senseless criticism. Not to say that they're perfect, of course, but it just seems like some people stare themselves blind on this race in particular and pick out the weirdest reasons for why they're the worst beings in the galaxy :?

 

 

Harbinger says about humans on Horizon:

 

"You are bacteria."

 

Obviously everything a biased character says is true.

What are the weirdest reasons that people are using to say the species is the worst in the galaxy?

 

 

Humans may be bacteria, but they didn't hid an artifact from the galaxy that could help with the war effort.



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What are the weirdest reasons that people are using to say the species is the worst in the galaxy?

 

 

Humans may be bacteria, but they didn't hid an artifact from the galaxy that could help with the war effort.

 

No, they only created Cerberus as a black ops organization. 

That they couldn't control, and then went rogue.