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[Excella Gionne]

Didn't you say "Im at the point of either retiring from video games completely or looking for a game that has good story, replay value, an gameplay mechanics. Thoughts? Because Im done with ME." why so interested all of a sudden? Maybe if you played through the Trilogy a bit more maybe you can understand....

[Mcfly616]

Lol

[KaiserShep]

There were a few points: the tungsten filament lodged into TIM, and the omniblade in Kai Leng.

[Dabrikishaw]

Cerberus was ultimately used to pad out the Reaper invasion plot, as well as provide a third enemy type for single player.

[kavox]

i initially felt in ME2 that they were a dark reflection of the Alliance and humanity as whole. TIM is a more ruthless and unscrupulous version of Hackett or Anderson and Kai Leng was probably intended to be an amoral Shepard, though he became Super Space Ninja and failed horribly. As for what Cerberus is doing throughout ME3, idk and it seems rather sporadic at times. I hated the fact that they basically went full-evil and became so one-dimensional. Plus we are supposed to be fighting Reapers and we end up fighting useless Cerberus mooks for 3/4 of the game.

 

Attack on Mars was stupid and inefficient. Eva could have taken the data and wiped it clean by herself, without massacring every one there and be gone before Shepard arrives. 

 

Citadel Coup makes no sense. They didn't know about the Catalyst yet and even if they did eliminate the Council, there was no guarantee that anyone would have followed Udina since his plan was ill-advised. 

 

Attack on Sur'Kesh makes little sense since TIM understands the value of the Krogan as shock troopers, so why eliminate a major source of uber-warriors.

 

The attack on Tuchanka made no sense for the same reasons as Sur'Kesh.

 

The only thing that Cerberus did that made sense and stayed closer to their ME2 characterization was Sanctuary. Expendable troopers and a treasure trove of Reaper intel. But, they then turn around and use that intel to nearly doom humanity.

 

What TIM should have done, if he was serious instead of an annoying fly, was ally himself with the Alliance and slowly coerce them from the inside, learning all he could. Shepard was open to Cerberus help, so long as they didn't rock the boat so cooperation was possible. But TIM just goes, 'nah man, i think i'll just be a dick for the next 30+hrs', and goes on to turn Cerberus, formerly a massive intelligence and espionage network, into a major military organization, with the intent to derail humanity's greatest hope. It is a major turnaround from the ME2 Cerberus and a major disapointment.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 To make ME2 all "dark" and "edgy" like.

 

 

Like, "Ooh, you're Shepard, working with terrorists! Isn't that cool??"

[wolfhowwl]

Stroking Mac Walters' ego.

[AlanC9]

The Cerberus plan is pretty obvious, isn't it? Gunk up the works long enough for their research project to be finished so they can control the Reapers.

 

Crazy? Sure. So what?

[Kurt M.]

The Cerberus plan is pretty obvious, isn't it? Gunk up the works long enough for their research project to be finished so they can control the Reapers.

 

Crazy? Sure. So what?

 

As shown at the end of the game, it's not as crazy (after all, the Catalyst allows to do that), as it is probably the most egocentric act I've ever witnessed.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

On a meta-scale, depends on the game since they weren't planned out or written consistently at all across the trilogy (like so many other things):

 

In one game, they were a tertiary rogue black ops splinter group from the alliance that was portrayed as performing controversial experiments and operations that weren't defined in any real way. Arguably, many other plot threads in ME1, you likely weren't going to worry about the mystery behind them since it wasn't relevant to the plot.

 

In the second game, their role was completely rewritten (with the help of extraneous materials) to be a well-intentioned extremist group and paramilitary organization willing to use highly controversial methods and bad publicity to progress their relatively noble goal of advancing humanity in the galaxy on political, economic, scientific, and military matters. They wanted to see a stronger humanity in the galaxy capable of holding of standing up to other races and ensuring that in the event of Reaper invasion, humanity at least would survive.

 

In the third game, once again, their role was completely rewritten to be that of obviously evil and twisted humans who used 'disgusting' means to make an army of loyal humans for The Illusive Man so that he could use them to take control of the Reapers and ascend humanity, as well as to be more recognizable and 'villainous' characters to shoot at since BW realized that their bad writing made the Reapers hilariously overpowered to the point where it was nigh impossible to fight them head on beyond their troops.

 

In universe, they're what I said for ME2 that got corrupted via indoctrination into what I said for ME3.

[Farangbaa]

Didn't you say "Im at the point of either retiring from video games completely or looking for a game that has good story, replay value, an gameplay mechanics. Thoughts? Because Im done with ME." why so interested all of a sudden? Maybe if you played through the Trilogy a bit more maybe you can understand....

 

That guy/girl needs to stop pressing the action button every time someone starts talking.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Didn't you say "Im at the point of either retiring from video games completely or looking for a game that has good story, replay value, an gameplay mechanics. Thoughts? Because Im done with ME." why so interested all of a sudden? Maybe if you played through the Trilogy a bit more maybe you can understand....

 

Yeah, this guy really likes to make an inordinate amount of threads. He's one of the posters that's new and got into the series recently enough to come to the boards and make a bunch of threads asking well meaning but really obvious questions. This is like his 20th thread, and the guy barely has over a hundred and twenty posts? I'm at at over 8,300 posts on my second profile and I've still never made a thread. I think the guy needs to calm down with his threads. No need to make so many so often.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but it could appear, to someone  short on temper and patience, to be a wind up...

 

I'm sure the questions are perfectly innocent though...

[fhs33721]

I'm slowly starting to suspect that the OP is some sort of troll that plans to waste everyones time by asking every possible question on the ME plot, even when it is answered in game.

Either that or s/he skips all the dialogue and then wonders why exactly he is shooting people he has never heard of before.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Whats the meaning of life?

[Sundance31us]

Someone had to bring a katana to the gun fight.

[Comrade Wakizashi]

In my point of view, they're human supremacists who would do anything to achieve their goals, be it terrorism, experiments on humans, mass murder or cooperation with the Reapers.

 

In Mass Effect 2, the Illusive Man knew the practical necessity of cooperation with aliens and with Shepard to stop the Collectors, so he did it. In Mass Effect 3, he did no longer think this was necessary, apparently. The fact that Cerberus does a lot of irrational things in ME3 is sort of to be expected. As we see in the end of the game, the Illusive Man is indoctrinated by the Reapers, believing he could control them. We can't really expect much rationality from someone who is being indoctrinated by Reapers...

[AlexMBrennan]

To force Shepard to work with a diverse cast of aliens in ME2 (who were never to be seen again), and probably to explain why we don't routinely bring everybody back from the dead (it's a stupidly long shot, and the only reason Cerberus did it was that Timmy was a Shepard fanboy).

In ME3, to give Shepard humanoid targets to shoot at.

[Remix-General Aetius]

i initially felt in ME2 that they were a dark reflection of the Alliance and humanity as whole. TIM is a more ruthless and unscrupulous version of Hackett or Anderson and Kai Leng was probably intended to be an amoral Shepard, though he became Super Space Ninja and failed horribly. As for what Cerberus is doing throughout ME3, idk and it seems rather sporadic at times. I hated the fact that they basically went full-evil and became so one-dimensional. Plus we are supposed to be fighting Reapers and we end up fighting useless Cerberus mooks for 3/4 of the game.

 

Attack on Mars was stupid and inefficient. Eva could have taken the data and wiped it clean by herself, without massacring every one there and be gone before Shepard arrives. 

 

Citadel Coup makes no sense. They didn't know about the Catalyst yet and even if they did eliminate the Council, there was no guarantee that anyone would have followed Udina since his plan was ill-advised. 

 

Attack on Sur'Kesh makes little sense since TIM understands the value of the Krogan as shock troopers, so why eliminate a major source of uber-warriors.

 

The attack on Tuchanka made no sense for the same reasons as Sur'Kesh.

 

The only thing that Cerberus did that made sense and stayed closer to their ME2 characterization was Sanctuary. Expendable troopers and a treasure trove of Reaper intel. But, they then turn around and use that intel to nearly doom humanity.

 

What TIM should have done, if he was serious instead of an annoying fly, was ally himself with the Alliance and slowly coerce them from the inside, learning all he could. Shepard was open to Cerberus help, so long as they didn't rock the boat so cooperation was possible. But TIM just goes, 'nah man, i think i'll just be a dick for the next 30+hrs', and goes on to turn Cerberus, formerly a massive intelligence and espionage network, into a major military organization, with the intent to derail humanity's greatest hope. It is a major turnaround from the ME2 Cerberus and a major disapointment.

 

that's because they were on their way to being indoctrinated by the end of ME2 events. TIM was already indoctrinated when ME3 events began. so yeah, lots of things that might not make sense to the average human make tons of sense to the Reapers.

[kavox]

that's because they were on their way to being indoctrinated by the end of ME2 events. TIM was already indoctrinated when ME3 events began. so yeah, lots of things that might not make sense to the average human make tons of sense to the Reapers.

 

Don't get me started on 'Reaper Logic' lol. It's just that, for a man that is clearly not an imbecile, TIM certainly acts like one. Instead of agitating EVERY military in the galaxy with overt operations, he could have ingratiated himself with them and subverted them from the inside, like an indoctrinated sleeper agent normally does. And if he was truly indoctrinated, why would he destroy/Control the Collector Base in ME2? The collectors would've created a new Reaper and then... idk, probably try a Sovereign 2.0. So why derail the Reapers efforts to just go on and join them? Why bring back Shepard just to dog him at every turn? 

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Don't get me started on 'Reaper Logic' lol. It's just that, for a man that is clearly not an imbecile, TIM certainly acts like one. Instead of agitating EVERY military in the galaxy with overt operations, he could have ingratiated himself with them and subverted them from the inside, like an indoctrinated sleeper agent normally does. And if he was truly indoctrinated, why would he destroy/Control the Collector Base in ME2? The collectors would've created a new Reaper and then... idk, probably try a Sovereign 2.0. So why derail the Reapers efforts to just go on and join them? Why bring back Shepard just to dog him at every turn? 

 

High level agent being allowed to believe he was doing something good by interfering in an Reaper Op that was no importance whatsoever.

[Remix-General Aetius]

Don't get me started on 'Reaper Logic' lol. It's just that, for a man that is clearly not an imbecile, TIM certainly acts like one. Instead of agitating EVERY military in the galaxy with overt operations, he could have ingratiated himself with them and subverted them from the inside, like an indoctrinated sleeper agent normally does. And if he was truly indoctrinated, why would he destroy/Control the Collector Base in ME2? The collectors would've created a new Reaper and then... idk, probably try a Sovereign 2.0. So why derail the Reapers efforts to just go on and join them? Why bring back Shepard just to dog him at every turn? 

 

hey noone said the Reapers are geniuses........

 

as for the Collector base thing, like I said he was gradually becoming indoctrinated in the end of ME2, that's why he wanted to KEEP the base instead of destroying it.

 

"indoctrination is subtle"

 

I find it hard to believe that someone with TIM's mind capabilities wouldn't have come up with another way until the very end. his mind was being subtly controlled by then. hence insisting on controlling instead of destroying.