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[Exaltation]

Will our actions with The Mages' Collective and/or Mistress Selby will have any effect in the Mage-Templar war?
The Mages' Collective will have any role in DAI or their group is too small to have any influence?

[Inprea]

I would hope that if you helped the collective then the free mages already living in Fereldan would ease the transition of the mages and populace into the new political situation. If the Warden was a mage and made a good impression I really hope to hear good things about the mage uprising in Ferelden. I would prefer words like without bloodshed, seamless, peaceful and mutually beneficial.

[mlgumm]

I would like it if our past actions with any major mage faction in past games helped them in DA:I. I think if the "Hero of Ferelden" is a mage or an elf that should cause there to be less discrimination in those playthroughs than in ones where the Warden was a human without magic, for instance.

[wcholcombe]

I don't expect the little side quests in either of the two games to have much impact.  Sorry they just aren't events that will have a lot of weight or bearing.

 

As for the hero of Ferelden being a mage, he is probably more identified as a Grey Warden then he was a mage.  Plus, people know that Wardens use magic and they have in the past, the idea that someone doing good with magic will change the perspective of the population is short sighted.

 

People know magic is capable of good, but they are AFRAID of the bad it can also do.

[MisterJB]

Meredith destroyed the Mage Underground; Anders says so at the beginning of Act 3; as for the Collective, your Warden can reveal its existence in which case it is also destroyed.

[Inprea]

I don't expect the little side quests in either of the two games to have much impact.  Sorry they just aren't events that will have a lot of weight or bearing.

 

As for the hero of Ferelden being a mage, he is probably more identified as a Grey Warden then he was a mage.  Plus, people know that Wardens use magic and they have in the past, the idea that someone doing good with magic will change the perspective of the population is short sighted.

 

People know magic is capable of good, but they are AFRAID of the bad it can also do.

They chose to give a quest depending on how the Warden handled the nobles in dragon age awakening. I sure didn't consider that quest line to be long or dramatic. As for how the Warden is identified. If a mage Warden makes the ultimate sacrifice an independent circle is formed while if a mage Warden commander burns Amaranthine their status as a mage is noted. If the Warden is noted as a Warden first and then a mage why was the mage boon given instead of the Warden one?

[Wolfen09]

if the mages collective returns, then the black stone irregulars will return....  maybe just some side quests like in origins, but any major story influence....  i highly doubt it....  you might as well wish for the return of the blight orphans from awakening

[MisterJB]

They chose to give a quest depending on how the Warden handled the nobles in dragon age awakening. I sure didn't consider that quest line to be long or dramatic. As for how the Warden is identified. If a mage Warden makes the ultimate sacrifice an independent circle is formed while if a mage Warden commander burns Amaranthine their status as a mage is noted. If the Warden is noted as a Warden first and then a mage why was the mage boon given instead of the Warden one?

Not that it really matters. The elven Warden's accomplishment did not prevent conflict between the humans and elves of Denerim. It helped the elves for some times but, at the first excuse, there were riots and lynchings.

Basically, like in the real world. So, just because your Warden was a mage, you shouldn't expect the fereldens will have good things to say about his/her kind.

 

There may be a series of factors that could force the mage's will upon the countryside such as having Alistair on the throne but that doesn't mean the people will be eager to accept it; they'll lash out against the mages.

[SnakeCode]

I'm far more interested in finding out more about "The Friends of Red Jenny" so i'm hoping that if any come back it'll be them. They're so mysterious and intriguing.

[MisterJB]

Plus, there's the simple fact that, while leaving Amaranthine to perish leads to rumors your Warden is a Maleficar, protecting the farms will lead to the peasants relying on the "Grey Wardens for order and protection". This, of course, increases the authority of the Wardens in the region but not so much that of mages.

 

If the Mage Warden does something good, it reflects on the Wardens. If s/he does something bad, it reflects on the mages.

[Inprea]

Not that it really matters. The elven Warden's accomplishment did not prevent conflict between the humans and elves of Denerim. It helped the elves for some times but, at the first excuse, there were riots and lynchings.

Basically, like in the real world. So, just because your Warden was a mage, you shouldn't expect the fereldens will have good things to say about his/her kind.

 

There may be a series of factors that could force the mage's will upon the countryside such as having Alistair on the throne but that doesn't mean the people will be eager to accept it; they'll lash out against the mages.

You're free to theorize whatever you want. I said what I hope is going to happen but I'm not going to debate on what will happen until the game is actually released.

[Inprea]

Plus, there's the simple fact that, while leaving Amaranthine to perish leads to rumors your Warden is a Maleficar, protecting the farms will lead to the peasants relying on the "Grey Wardens for order and protection". This, of course, increases the authority of the Wardens in the region but not so much that of mages.

 

If the Mage Warden does something good, it reflects on the Wardens. If s/he does something bad, it reflects on the mages.

You're ignoring the ultimate sacrifice if made by a mage Warden.

[wcholcombe]

You're ignoring the ultimate sacrifice if made by a mage Warden.

Which the game largely ignores.  The circle never becomes independent.  As David Gaider has stated, Ferelden doesn't have the authority to make their circle independent-it would go something like this.

 

Ferelden Ruler: "We would like the circle in Ferelden to be independent"

Chantry: "No"

Ferelden Ruler: "Ok have a nice day."

 

I would post the link to the forum post about it, but everytime I click on the link on google it just takes me back to the Bioware forum home page.  There was a whole post about it on the old social.bioware forums.

[In Exile]

They chose to give a quest depending on how the Warden handled the nobles in dragon age awakening. I sure didn't consider that quest line to be long or dramatic. As for how the Warden is identified. If a mage Warden makes the ultimate sacrifice an independent circle is formed while if a mage Warden commander burns Amaranthine their status as a mage is noted. If the Warden is noted as a Warden first and then a mage why was the mage boon given instead of the Warden one?

 

DAO had epilogues written to give closure and a happy ending if it was the only game in the series. This is why Bioware's handwaved away all of the boons. 

[Inprea]

Which the game largely ignores.  The circle never becomes independent.  As David Gaider has stated, Ferelden doesn't have the authority to make their circle independent-it would go something like this.

 

Ferelden Ruler: "We would like the circle in Ferelden to be independent"

Chantry: "No"

Ferelden Ruler: "Ok have a nice day."

 

I would post the link to the forum post about it, but everytime I click on the link on google it just takes me back to the Bioware forum home page.  There was a whole post about it on the old social.bioware forums.

I said if the Warden makes the ultimate sacrifice. If the Warden is a mage and makes the ultimate sacrifice, dies slaying the archdemon, the chantry honors the decision to form an independent circle. This can be seen in dragon age 2 when speaking with Meredith if the warden died.

 

DAO had epilogues written to give closure and a happy ending if it was the only game in the series. This is why Bioware's handwaved away all of the boons. 

Except it influenced Meredith's dialogue in DA2 as to whether or not the mage boon was honored or not.

[MisterJB]

You're ignoring the ultimate sacrifice if made by a mage Warden.

 

I am not. The ruler tried for that; it was never said that the people looked at it with good eyes.

 

 

I said if the Warden makes the ultimate sacrifice. If the Warden is a mage and makes the ultimate sacrifice, dies slaying the archdemon, the chantry honors the decision to form an independent circle. This can be seen in dragon age 2 when speaking with Meredith if the warden died.

What Meredith said was that Alistair made a declaration; this makes no mention of the Chantry accepting it which we know by Gaider that they didn't. As far as we know, Meredith is outraged purely by the fact Alistair even considered the possibility.

 

In fact, Alistair always mentions how the Templars are still in Ferelden and they are far too strong for him to kick out, even if he wanted to.

[Inprea]

I am not. The ruler tried for that; it was never said that the people looked at it with good eyes.

 

 

What Meredith said was that Alistair made a declaration; this makes no mention of the Chantry accepting it which we know by Gaider that they didn't. As far as we know, Meredith is outraged purely by the fact Alistair even considered the possibility.

 

In fact, Alistair always mentions how the Templars are still in Ferelden and they are far too strong for him to kick out, even if he wanted to.

It reflected well enough on mages that the ruler declared the circle free so at least they don't have to worry about the state anymore. Those rumors you mention are also part of the epilogue as well anyway. Just like so many parts of the epilogue they could be false.

 

Does anyone that read this far have a clip with meredith and alistar speaking after a mage warden performed the ultimate sacrifice? I remember there being a difference if the Warden lived or not but have had no luck finding a clip in which the warden died. Plenty were they lived.

[In Exile]

Except it influenced Meredith's dialogue in DA2 as to whether or not the mage boon was honored or not.

 

I didn't say they ignored their existence, I said they handwaved them away. "The Chantry said no" is a handwave. 

[Divine Justinia V]

I'd like it to, but I doubt it.

[MisterJB]

It reflected well enough on mages that the ruler declared the circle free so at least they don't have to worry about the state anymore.

The only confirmed instance of a ferelden ruler supporting mages was with Alistair in DA2. I do not count Anora because her aiding the Circle after the Warden's sacrifice was only due to game restrictions; they couldn't punish the mage players by choosing her by not having the PC be reward post-mortem; character-wise, Anora would never have done it.

So, at best the mages have an ally in King Alistair but it really isn't that simple. Just because the monarch supports it, that doesn't mean the nobles will be so eager. And there are, of course, many ways the relationship could go sour.

For instance, let's say Ferelden's Circle didn't rebel because conditions there were good enough that the mages didn't feel it was warranted or simply because they were almost destroyed 10 years ago and didn't have the manpower. Sounds good, right?

Well, wrong. Mages from other countries will seek to immigrate to Ferelden, hoping it is a welcoming place. They may ask to join the Circle there or they may not.

If they ask to join, then there will come a point where Gregoir's forces won't be enough and since the Templars have broken from the Chantry, there won't be anyone to ask reinforcements from. Therefore, they will either be forced to ask for help from the Templars who broke from the Chantry or increase recruitment efforts within Ferelden.

Since Ferelden will still be recovering from the Blight, that will mean working hands that might have been focused on planting field, rebuilding cities or just having babies, will be drafted to keep a population of mages that is not even Ferelden in line. The result is there will be an increasing animosity between fereldens and the mages. The ferelden mages may even feel the foreigners ruined a good thing they had going one and will backlash against their "brethren".

 

That is if they ask to join the Circle under Gregoir. If they do not, then same result except 10X times. Massive immigration causes enough problems even when the immigrants are not susceptible to demonic possession.

 

Either way, if Alistair intends to make Ferelden into a refuge for mages, he'll might be forced to deal with a civil war when every noble and commoner turns against him.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well we can have DE warden and make them help with blight it won't help them either and in fact dalish elves don't cause 1/10 of problems that mages cause.I don't see how Mage warden will cause see them better after thousands of disasters caused by mages so 1 miracle won't counter 1000 disasters. 

 

collective had hardly any influence they were just organized mages that were hiding and didn't want trouble when underground in kirkwall was crushed.