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[Rpgfantasyplayer]

I know a lot of people want to see their warden and Hawke, but I don't.  Mentions of them are fine, but I really don't want to see them.  In my canon my warden married Alistair and became queen, but then she went off and was the Warden Commander for Awakenings.  Just because she married Alistair and is queen does not mean that she doesn't go off and have her own things to do.  She may be the "old ball and chain" but she is not literally chained to the throne.  In my mind Alistair knows where she is and that all that matters.  Concerning Hawke another mention is fine as to what he/she maybe up to.

[Tevinter Soldier]

hell no, disregarding all the trouble involved in the fact your warden wouldn't look like your warden it would be near impossible to capture the essence of how you played the character. the warden can be vastly malleable because the warden isn't voiced so it would be impossible please everyone.

 

I mean for a start is the model they use going to be elven or human, a dwarf? it's too varied, your going to ****** off a lot of people for a cameo that next to nobody is going to really care about.

 

Hawk is a little easier but still it mounts problems, there's no point pouring resources into a cameo and if the character was going have a more substantial role its going to require a ton of resources. the characters class, sex, how they speak... etc, etc.

 

it's too resource heavy so we end up with a default hawk cameo, again what if it's not MY hawk?

 

if we were playing something like mass effect it would be easier because there's really only two archetypes paragon or renegade both are fairly serious characters with straight fwd motives, it's a job a mission.

 

hawk can be a templar zealot, a magi revolutionary, not care one way other another. they can be arrogant, humble, sarcastic and everything in between.

be careful what you wish for is most apt.

[Celtic Latino]

The Warden's problem was the Blight. The Blight is over.

 

Hawke's problem was what went on in Kirkwall. As far as I know Hawke's far, far away from Kirkwall.

 

The Inquisitor's problem is the Fade and the threat to Thedas.

 

I'd rather the Warden and Hawke's arc just be finished lest they Revan-ize them.

[Jack_Frost]

In SWTOR Bioware created a Revan who was white and with long dark hair who saved the Jedi during KOTOR1 and he was canon despite what you could have done/made him look like in KOTOR 1 also in KOTOR 2 the main character's canon was a white girl who was "good" so i wouldn't be surprised if something semi similar happened with the Warden/Hawke.

 

I just want closure for my Warden/Hawke not this mysterious "vanished" storyline. I

[Xetykins]

I wouldn't mind seeing my warden again. Maybe in the battlefield with her helm on so I dont have to see her face. But sadly I dont think she has a lot of reason to be in the inquisition. So I wont hold my breath.

For hawk... well she can stay disappeared.

[warden6788]

In SWTOR Bioware created a Revan who was white and with long dark hair who saved the Jedi during KOTOR1 and he was canon despite what you could have done/made him look like in KOTOR 1 also in KOTOR 2 the main character's canon was a white girl who was "good" so i wouldn't be surprised if something semi similar happened with the Warden/Hawke.

 

I just want closure for my Warden/Hawke not this mysterious "vanished" storyline. I

nice idea Bioware really needs to have some closure for hawke and  the warden by the end of inquisition because if they keep picking new protagonist and not finishing up the stories the plot holes will majorly pile up 

[Tevinter Soldier]

kill them! i would rather my mage hating hawk die off screen then be given the disney treatment!

[Celtic Latino]

In SWTOR Bioware created a Revan who was white and with long dark hair who saved the Jedi during KOTOR1 and he was canon despite what you could have done/made him look like in KOTOR 1 also in KOTOR 2 the main character's canon was a white girl who was "good" .

 

 

 

That's exactly why I don't want the Warden or Hawke's story to be continued. They may be BioWare's protagonists, but they were given to us to shape and mold as we see fit. I'd rather the vanished storylines.

 

(Or who knows, maybe they were killed in the Fade Tear blast). That would certainly wrap things up.

[Jawzzus]

I'd like it if they were mentioned, but not seen.  Maybe we could have our advisers send them dispatches, or get dispatches in return about what they are doing or how best to coordinate our armies, if we work together.  Leliana could be like the warden and I just hung out, he says blah blah blah..I really want them to still to be together by the way.

[Uirebhiril]

There's not much they could get out of my Warden, since she's dead. The Warden-Commander, I have no idea what they'd want her for anyway. But Hawke? I'd love to know why my Hawke, who became Viscountess, just up and disappeared one day. It seems to be the usual theme of Bioware games that you don't know what happens to the protagonist after you jump through the portal/select an option/finish a game, so it'd be nice for once to have some sense of closure on the character if their story is otherwise over. Though as much as I liked my Hawke, I don't know how much more story she has at this point to tell. Couldn't she just have had a nice quiet life leading Kirkwall to being a better place?

[Shark17676]

nice idea Bioware really needs to have some closure for hawke and  the warden by the end of inquisition because if they keep picking new protagonist and not finishing up the stories the plot holes will majorly pile up 

 

I thought both my Warden and Hawke had some nice closure at the end of their respective campaigns, actually.

 

So they both just up and vanished one day...and really, I find myself caring little about it.  In all honesty, I think an unsolved mystery of the ages -- the sudden disappearances of the world's greatest heroes, gone without a trace -- is much more romantic and captivating for my lore than actually finding out what had happened to them.

[Sifr]

In my mind;

 

The Warden is looking after his kid with Morrigan, has set aside his other Warden duties in order to do so, save keeping their ear to the ground on whether or not the Architect and the Awakened Darkspawn are keeping their end of the bargain. As much as they might want to deal with the Veil Tears, they've got bigger priorities to think about, such as their kid having the soul of an Old God.

 

Hawke on the other hand is still on the run from the Templars and trying to stay out of trouble (badly). When they're not keeping their head down, they're lending help here and where they can, when they inevitably get drawn back into some chaos or another, as well as offering casual support to the Mage Rebellion.

 

But that's just my take on what is happening with those two.

 

Either way, I don't see why even a default Warden or Hawke should have any reason to get involved with the Inquisition at all, nor appear. Thedas is a big place and there is more than enough room for more heroes, rather than the same one or two people who have to be involved with and solve everything.

 

It would cheapen the Inquisitor to have the Warden and Hawke show up and steal the limelight, while cheapening both the Warden and Hawke to have them suddenly playing second fiddle to this new guy who's only authority comes from their funky glowing hand (and Magneto's helmet).

[Quyk Sylvyr]

I'd like it if they were mentioned, but not seen.  Maybe we could have our advisers send them dispatches, or get dispatches in return about what they are doing or how best to coordinate our armies, if we work together.  Leliana could be like the warden and I just hung out, he says blah blah blah..I really want them to still to be together by the way.

 

I agree with this.  I don't think the warden/Hawke should be seen in-game.  I just don't think it could be pulled off in a way that would make the majority happy.  However, it doesn't make much sense for an alive warden/Hawke to be entirely absent from the overall storyline. Unless Bioware has something special planned for the two heroes (i.e. Flemeth has recruited them for something or they are now dead), my preference would be us to be able to choose what Hawke/warden have been up to through Dragon Age Keep.  Perhaps an elvish warden could have selected in the keep that they want to help the city elves in Orlais, a mage could choose to aid the mage rebellion, etc.  Then throughout the inquisition your agents would meet up with them although the Inquisitor would not see them directly.

[ADeadDiehard]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say I wouldn't mind Hawke making a physical appearance. Probably because I used the default appearance. Not to mention that it's pretty easy to define his/her personality with the diplomatic/humorous/direct thing.

As for the Warden, well... my Warden went off with Morrigan, so her appearance will hopefully provide some info.

I doubt they'll make an appearance in person, given the crazy range of voices. (Especially since my warden's VA, Robin Sachs, is no longer with us)

[Jaison1986]

I certanly don't mind. There is some charm on the idea of previous protagonists returning and teaming up for an common cause. I could see the warden returning if Morrigan was romanced and joined with during Witch hunt. In fact, I would question why is Morrigan present in the game, but the Warden not?

[Little Princess Peach]

I think the new warden that is in our party in the new game might have connections to our old warden never know

[ADeadDiehard]

I think the new warden that is in our party in the new game might have connections to our old warden never know

I get the impression that he's the Gregor/Grigor that Alistair mentions in DA:O
IGN implanted the idea that he's Duncan's brother into my head. I can't get it out. D:

[Reaver102]

I think the warden is best left to rumor and conjecture, but Hawke has a preset personality defined by our choices in DA2 and hopefully can be recreated and or customized to players preferences with the Keep meaning there should be no reason he/she couldn't make an appearance.  I think Hawke needs a stronger resolution and can be imported in a fashion that does the character justice so why not?   

[warden6788]

I thought that all the grey wardens except for you allistair and riordan died in fereldan and wasn't gregor in the battle I don't think that warden is him but you can most likely ask that warden about your past warden.

[ADeadDiehard]

I thought that all the grey wardens except for you allistair and riordan died in fereldan and wasn't gregor in the battle I don't think that warden is him but you can most likely ask that warden about your past warden.

Hawke survived, Aveline survived, the treasurer survived, Wynne survived. I don't think it's THAT much of a leap in logic. Also Alistair could have been talking about a warden outside of Ferelden.
 

Edit: Except no, Alistair said in DAO he's never left the country. Maybe Gregor was visiting? Whatever, we'll find out someday.

[DisturbedJim83]

Its funny how the same objection of "My Warden wouldn't" and "My Hawke wouldn't", yes they may be "your" Characters however it is Bioware's Story and IP, the final decision on whether or not to bring previous Characters back is theirs and theirs alone your either support it,accept a compromise or jog on.

 

Its the same with any other series, there is your own fiction and then there is cannon the latter is not required to conform to the former. The Keep will give a "Degree of Flexibility" however regardless of your fiction there will always be a predefined  cannon for example no matter how much I want "my Hawke" to be a rogue who fought at Ostagar and made a success in the Deep Roads Expedition with his sister Bethany who survived and became a Grey Warden, the Cannon ending will always be Hawke was a Mage who did not fight at Ostagar,Bethany was killed by the Ogre during the flight from Lothering and it was Carver Who Adventured with Hawke.

 

In the end it's Bioware's Cannon that takes precedence over any fannon you or I make.

[Althix]

I really don't think any of them have any value.

 

Story of the Warden may be different, but his value in coming conflict is close to zero. My Warden Commander is in Par Vollen for example.

Hawke is... worthless really. Value of his opinion on the matter is very low, even if he was there in Kirkwall i see no reason to take his position into consideration. Because this character is useless, even to himself.

 

So in general i will approach DAI story line as if there were no Blight or Kirkwall.

[Sifr]

 

In the end it's Bioware's Cannon that takes precedence over any fannon you or I make.

 

If that was true, then what would be the point of making the Warden's race determinant in Origins, rather than being a set character like say, Shepard or Hawke? Or having the ability to make decisions (especially in Origins, not so much in DA2) that affect the state of the game-world? Or taking the type to create a Keep to allow us to build the type of world based on the decisions we wish to import over?

 

Regardless of our "fanon", Bioware has repeatedly told us that our choices do matter and ignoring the previous games to force us to use a cookie-cutter Warden/Hawke would be a colossal disaster all around. Bioware's own canon from the comics and novels is just their take on their universe, which is no less valid than ours.

 

The casual retcon of some minor events/deaths to serve the overall story, like Leliana and (possibly) Anders in DA2 are fine, but major events like Alistair becoming King, which is true in the novels and comics, won't be in DAI unless you put him there or use a default, pre-built history where that happened.

[warden6788]

If that was true, then what would be the point of making the Warden's race determinant in Origins, rather than being a set character like say, Shepard or Hawke? Or having the ability to make decisions (especially in Origins, not so much in DA2) that affect the state of the game-world? Or taking the type to create a Keep to allow us to build the type of world based on the decisions we wish to import over?

 

Regardless of our "fanon", Bioware has repeatedly told us that our choices do matter and ignoring the previous games to force us to use a cookie-cutter Warden/Hawke would be a colossal disaster all around. Bioware's own canon from the comics and novels is just their take on their universe, which is no less valid than ours.

 

The casual retcon of some minor events/deaths to serve the overall story, like Leliana and (possibly) Anders in DA2 are fine, but major events like Alistair becoming King, which is true in the novels and comics, won't be in DAI unless you put him there or use a default, pre-built history where that happened.

Good point but Im hoping for no more retcons 

[Roux]

my inquisitor if given the chance will kill both hawke and the warden they both outlived there usefulness.

Why do you want to kill everything?