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[Comrade Wakizashi]

Have you not talked to Wrex in ME1? Have you never brought him along when you confront Fist? The dude is a self-confessed murderer and pirate. He kills Fist in cold blood because he was paid to. I.E. the dude is a hitman. He killed an entire Volus ship full of guards and, one assumes, Volus merchant marines. Wrex IS a thug in ME1.

 

And later on becomes a reformist leader deadset on reintroducing the krogan back into the galactic community. Your point being? The past of a character does not always fully have to determine their future. If so, then you could also argue that Thane Krios should be killed for his many sins, regardless of his later repentance and change of course.

[KaiserShep]

Eh, if Wrex didn't shoot Fist, I would've done it myself.

 

But as for Wrex himself, what do you expect from a guy that tells a turian to eat his opponents?

[Comrade Wakizashi]

I blame the person who can and does sign the contract in full knowledge.

 

So if given the choice, you would have killed Thane, regardless of his current actions and repentance? If you consider that to be viable for Wrex, then why not for Thane too? And for Zaeed. And possibly even for Samara.

[SporkFu]

So if given the choice, you would have killed Thane, regardless of his current actions and repentance? If you consider that to be viable for Wrex, then why not for Thane too? And for Zaeed. And possibly even for Samara.

Samara doesn't kill anyone because someone else wants them dead, nor does she hire herself out on contracts. The only thing she gets in return for what she does is the satisfaction of bringing justice to someone who deserved it. 

[Bardox9]

So if given the choice, you would have killed Thane, regardless of his current actions and repentance? If you consider that to be viable for Wrex, then why not for Thane too? And for Zaeed. And possibly even for Samara.

By the justicar's code, both Thane and Zaeed should die for the murders they have committed. Thane being repentant now, by the code, does not matter. Same for Garrus for his actions on Omega for that matter.

 

When Samara kills someone it is because they have earned it. She does not simply go around killing people for credits or because they have annoyed her.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

By the justicar's code, both Thane and Zaeed should die for the murders they have committed. Thane being repentant now, by the code, does not matter. Same for Garrus for his actions on Omega for that matter.

 

When Samara kills someone it is because they have earned it. She does not simply go around killing people for credits or because they have annoyed her.

 

She has to witness the wrongdoing as well. Past deeds dont account to much in the eyes of the code or she would kill most party members on sight before getting on the Normandy.

 

Keep in mind that she had to see the wrongdoing going down, such as the Nihilus killing someone in cold blood in the story she tells to Shep, before she acts. That said, once she makes that special oath, the code means absolutely **** as Shep's orders override it 110%. Meaning that she wont be killing anyone from the Normandy crew unless Shep orders her to.

[Lhawke]

@ op

 

I highly recommend it for a different playthrough.  If you don't want to kill wrex on virmire don't pick him up in me1.

 

Plus you get a slightly different citadel dlc. Wrex does tend to hog the spotlight.

[DuskWanderer]

Oh, please, and Wreav being a stupid, archetypical Krogan brute isn't a chiclé? What a biased comment you wrote.

 

In any case, "mutants" like Wrex are the ones who precisely AREN'T the cliché, just because of their innate rarity. How many polite and patient krogan do you exactly see in the game, apart from Wrex (who deserves a ****** monument for his patience), Thax' assistant and Charr? If they're a cliché, then EVERYTHING about the krogan is a cliché (and thus you can also say that nothing is).

 

And yes, krogan may be violent, but that's why someone like Wrex is needed. And him being in charge is more an amazing achievement than anything else. I can't even imagine how tough it must have been for him, fighting against just about everyone to gain his sit in the throne, instead of everyone just agreeing to it like it probably happened with Wreav.

 

So yep, Wrex is probably the very example of krogan "anticliché".

 

No, friend, that's precisely the cliche. On a planet of hats, you get the one oddball who does something "different", the one who prefers thinking to the wars of his people.

 

In short, your post reads like that of a Wrex fanboy. Wreav is infinitely less of a cliche than Wrex, simply because the person Wreav is (a brutish, genocidal thug) is almost never given power, unless it is taken away from him. Stories about the mutant end with the mutant in charge and people being won over to his forceful personality.

 

Over the top. Boring, completely unrealistic. And cliche.

 

 

The dalatrass was indeed quite the straw man. Along with the forced "everything that happens to the asari is so bad", it was the forced "krogan are good and deserve a chance" feeling that really upset me about ME3. At the very least, with the krogan one, I can turn it into ruthless evil to ruthless but pragmatic evil.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

So if given the choice, you would have killed Thane, regardless of his current actions and repentance? If you consider that to be viable for Wrex, then why not for Thane too? And for Zaeed. And possibly even for Samara.

 

Nope, but then again, I'm not a juror in that scenario but a mercenary commander (and so harboring killers makes a kind of sense).

[Jukaga]

My personal twist if Wiks is around and not Mordin is to always cap it off by shooting Wiks. After all his religious mumbo-jumbo nonsense it's obvious he's a fanatic and should not be able to be talked down at the Shroud. Therefore, I ignore the option and feed him some Carnifex goodness before his elevator ride. I usually shoot Mordin in that scenario as well, I don't miss the war assets we would bring and the scenario is all the richer with one more bodybag.

 

That, and to punish him for his lack of vision.

[Jukaga]

So if given the choice, you would have killed Thane, regardless of his current actions and repentance? If you consider that to be viable for Wrex, then why not for Thane too? And for Zaeed. And possibly even for Samara.

The difference is none of them pulled a gun on Shepard. (well except Zaeed if you paragon his LM)

[SporkFu]

I never found a logical reason to kill Wrex. Not to mention he was the only Krogran who didn't want to kill me and once you get to know him he's not so bad. Actually pretty funny next to Garrus. I didn't find any gains from sabotaging the cure and since mordin believed the Krogan deserved better and was a great friend I supported him and the cure. I didn't see how a bunch of salarians can help compared to the Krogan. If you saved Kirrahe I believe STG will become an asset or you will get salarian support from them.

Standing on that beach on Virmire, I believe Wrex would shoot you if you can't convince him that what Saren's doing is a bad idea. Sometimes when you're staring down the barrel of a gun, it's you or the other guy. It's also true that he may be simply trying to intimidate shep into backing down, like he will back down himself if shep is convincing enough. Let's face it, Wrex is an imposing figure. 

 

As for sabotaging the cure, well it all comes down to how you feel about the krogan having the genophage inflicted on them in the first plus how you think the aftermath of curing it will play out. In my canon playthrough, I feel the krogan were wronged and I also feel the aftermath won't be as bad as the dalatrass fears, so I like to cure the genophage. I'm going the other way in my current playthrough just to see what it's like, though. 

[Kurt M.]

No, friend, that's precisely the cliche. On a planet of hats, you get the one oddball who does something "different", the one who prefers thinking to the wars of his people.

 

In short, your post reads like that of a Wrex fanboy. Wreav is infinitely less of a cliche than Wrex, simply because the person Wreav is (a brutish, genocidal thug) is almost never given power, unless it is taken away from him. Stories about the mutant end with the mutant in charge and people being won over to his forceful personality.

 

Over the top. Boring, completely unrealistic. And cliche.

 

Do you realize that everything you just said can be said EXACTLY the same for Wreav, right? Only by taking the cynical/bad boy loving' path.

 

As I said before, either everything is cliché, or nothing is.