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[SerCambria358]

Except the longbow didn't have less penetration, it had more, and a greater range, the down side was training, you could train a crossbowman in a week or 2, you had to start a long bowman as a teenager, to build the muscle mass necessary to draw a full weight war bow.   For example some of the bows taken of the wreck of the mary rose had a 185lb draw @ 30inches.  That is insane compared to a modern bow.   Their where crossbows that went higher than that, but you are talking a rate of fire measured in minutes per shot. 

 

The war bow did not have more penetration than than a steel crossbow that needed to be cranked for a minute in order to reach its full draw. It had speed and range over the crossbow thats about it. Longbows did not need to be trained with for extensive amounts of time, warbows on the other hand did because of the strength required to pull them.

[TurretSyndrome]

 

Try the pata for real insanity

 

yes that bit at the hilt is a full sized gauntlet.

 

If you're implying the Katars could be unwieldy, that is not true(that's what I gathered from your post). They are actually very deadly, allowing the person to use them without losing speed and have high accuracy. Only down side is you can't block with them. Since they cover the fists(that is how they are held), they are most suited for people who excel at hand-to-hand, add poison to that, and the person becomes a pretty deadly assassin type killer.

[ladyoflate]

If I could march around the battlefield in a full scottish get-up as a Qunari I would enter indentured servitude for Bioware.

 

Same tbh.

 

Maybe DA4 they'll bring back bards and the dream can be realized.

 

Sort of strange that we don't have bards but we're finally going to Orlais, now that I think about it.

[Mirrman70]

The war bow did not have more penetration than than a steel crossbow that needed to be cranked for a minute in order to reach its full draw. It had speed and range over the crossbow thats about it. Longbows did not need to be trained with for extensive amounts of time, warbows on the other hand did because of the strength required to pull them.

 

English Longbows had draw strengths that reached over 150+ pounds. you try firing off 10 arrows a minute (which was what they were expected to do) with that.  The amount of training required for the English longbows was much higher than the standard war bows of Mainland Europe, that is why they weren't adopted as they existed long before the steel crossbow.

[Falcon084]

I think some people in this thread take some of the suggested weapons to mean like their real counterparts and fail to see the more fantasy magical aspect. Musical instruments mentioned by Thibax would be useless in real life, but in a fantasy they hold magical powers to strengthen your team, or make your enemies flee in terror.

[AresKeith]

Has anymore mentioned Bladed Bows yet?

[Falcon084]

Has anymore mentioned Bladed Bows yet?

No. Good one

[SerCambria358]

English Longbows had draw strengths that reached over 150+ pounds. you try firing off 10 arrows a minute (which was what they were expected to do) with that. The amount of training required for the English longbows was much higher than the standard war bows of Mainland Europe, that is why they weren't adopted as they existed long before the steel crossbow.

English longbow is a broad/ vague term, longbows didn't always reach those extreme draw weights, average longbows don't take that long to get the hang of, same with crossbows. War bows on the other hand take a while due to the massive draw weight, as we've already said.

[SerCambria358]

I think some people in this thread take some of the suggested weapons to mean like their real counterparts and fail to see the more fantasy magical aspect. Musical instruments mentioned by Thibax would be useless in real life, but in a fantasy they hold magical powers to strengthen your team, or make your enemies flee in terror.

Its not so much fantasy its their incapability with the DA universe. Instruments would be laughed at by any warrior in Thedas even if it were enchanted, so would fans. They just dont fit with the medieval theme of DA, every weapon we've seen IS a weapon, not some enchanted object that is passed as one (except for staffs of course).

[Vilegrim]

185lbs @ 30 inches may sound immense (and really, don't get the wrong idea, it IS immense), but if you compare that to medieval crossbows who could go up to 740 lbs draw weight, then the longbow is a baby toy.

 

 

Those however where the multiple minute reload monsters, which as far as I know where for siege warfare where rate of fire wasn't really a concern.  Field crossbows got out ranged and killed by arrow storm, for example the Genoese mercenaries getting blasted off the field at Crecy by the English/Welsh arrow storm. 

[Giant ambush beetle]

If you're implying the Katars could be unwieldy, that is not true(that's what I gathered from your post). They are actually very deadly, allowing the person to use them without losing speed and have high accuracy. Only down side is you can't block with them. Since they cover the fists(that is how they are held), they are most suited for people who excel at hand-to-hand, add poison to that, and the person becomes a pretty deadly assassin type killer.

They have another downside, like all the other full-gauntlet blades, if your Full-Gauntlet Katar gets stuck in the enemies armor or he grabs it he can snap your wrist or forearm like twig. Thats why full-gauntlet sword, sabers and blades never caught on.

[Warden_of_all]

Lightning Claws:

 

With light bucklers to handle defense, they would rock

Rock that 40k space marine!!!

[Setiweb]

What type of weapons would you like to see

A modded one.

[Exaltation]

Double headed spears with sword endings.

[Deflagratio]

After Oberyn brought some much needed justice to lancers everywhere.

 

Spoiler

*Model recalled and will be bundled with head protection in the future.

[The Grey Ranger]

Those however where the multiple minute reload monsters, which as far as I know where for siege warfare where rate of fire wasn't really a concern.  Field crossbows got out ranged and killed by arrow storm, for example the Genoese mercenaries getting blasted off the field at Crecy by the English/Welsh arrow storm. 

 

 

Well Crecy is not really a fair comparison between the effectiveness of long bow vs cross bow.  After all the English had established a defensive position that had higher elevation.  The Genosese had marched 18-20 miles the same day.  They left their pavises behind in the wagons.  Their cross bows had been adversely effected by a rainstorm.  So basically give your opponent all the advantages that you can and then blame the loss on inferior weapons is not really very accurate.

[Vilegrim]

If you're implying the Katars could be unwieldy, that is not true(that's what I gathered from your post). They are actually very deadly, allowing the person to use them without losing speed and have high accuracy. Only down side is you can't block with them. Since they cover the fists(that is how they are held), they are most suited for people who excel at hand-to-hand, add poison to that, and the person becomes a pretty deadly assassin type killer.

 

 

 

 

I have seen demonstrations of Sikh martial arts (I can't SAY the name let alone spell it, so I wont try), I know how deadly they are, especially the kata and dagger in one hand combo, with a tulwar in the other, is terrifying to behold, and judging by how the blades where being used, the dagger/katar CAN parry and trap swords, the Puta is the big boy, and I think it looks terrifying.

 

 

Found a video instruction for tulwar and katar

[Mirrman70]

Its not so much fantasy its their incapability with the DA universe. Instruments would be laughed at by any warrior in Thedas even if it were enchanted, so would fans. They just dont fit with the medieval theme of DA, every weapon we've seen IS a weapon, not some enchanted object that is passed as one (except for staffs of course).

 

one could even say that a staff could be used as an actual weapon even though they aren't.  I hope we stick to the current model of real, effective weapon ispirations and just add spears/halberds and return crossbows.

[AresKeith]

I hope we get to see Pikes in DA:I

[Vilegrim]

Well Crecy is not really a fair comparison between the effectiveness of long bow vs cross bow.  After all the English had established a defensive position that had higher elevation.  The Genosese had marched 18-20 miles the same day.  They left their pavises behind in the wagons.  Their cross bows had been adversely effected by a rainstorm.  So basically give your opponent all the advantages that you can and then blame the loss on inferior weapons is not really very accurate.

 

 

however the hundred years war is about the only comparison I can find between the longbow at it's height and the crossbow at it's height, finding battles where the French nobility didn't destroy the plan by getting annoyed and charging is a challenge.  Crecy is the only longbow/crossbow sustained engagement JI could think of, admittedly I am not a medieval historian but still.

[LPPrince]

Multiple types of bows for archers. Long, short, recurve, etc etc

[LPPrince]

I have seen demonstrations of Sikh martial arts (I can't SAY the name let alone spell it, so I wont try), I know how deadly they are, especially the kata and dagger in one hand combo, with a tulwar in the other, is terrifying to behold, and judging by how the blades where being used, the dagger/katar CAN parry and trap swords, the Puta is the big boy, and I think it looks terrifying.

 

 

Found a video instruction for tulwar and katar

 

Yes pls